EP 238: Furious or Curious - Safety and Security, Frog Farmers, and What Men Actually Need to Hear with Alison Armstrong

In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Alison Armstrong, author of The Queen’s Code, about her complex work around understanding men and women. Alison has been studying the dynamics between men and women since 1991, when she discovered she was what’s called a “frog farmer:”a woman who unknowingly turns princes into frogs through culturally inherited patterns of emasculation, criticism, and control. They explore how what was once a subterranean pattern of diminishing men has become amplified in our current moment, and why nobody is fundamentally broken. Alison explains how testosterone creates single focus, why men dodge ownership of anything that will be used against them, and why the words that most motivate men to act are the same words women most avoid using. They discuss the difference between being furious and being curious, why anger is “static on the radio” that prevents the song from being heard, and how to provide actionable information without condemnation, including in sexuality. The conversation moves into breadwinning (or breadlosing) dynamics, the concept of 8,000 days, planning for finitude, and the regret of missing what matters most in the sprint of a mission-driven life.

Bio

Alison Armstrong is the author of The Queen’s Code and the creator of widely acclaimed transformational online programs, including LUX: Liberation. Understanding. Xtraordinary Relationships, and Understanding Men, Understanding Women, Understanding Sex & Intimacy, Understanding Love & Commitment, plus Being Extraordinary as a Man/Woman. Alison asks the question: “What if no one is misbehaving—including you?” She explores the good reasons behind the behavior of men and women, such as fundamental differences in the ways we think, act, and communicate. She offers simple, partnership-based solutions to improve communication and intimacy by honoring ourselves then others. Alison is known for her insight, sense of humor, and ability to articulate the human experience and predicament of gender. She seeks practical, energy- and emotion-efficient approaches to conflict, healing, and building skills and capacities applicable to human interactions in all contexts. One of Alison’s great pleasures is supporting the men and women who choose to be her students. She spends up to 30 hours per month clarifying and helping others to implement her teachings.

 

What She Shares:

– How she discovered she was a frog farmer in 1991 and what that set in motion

– The shift from subterranean emasculation to loud, amplified pain on both sides

– Why men dodge ownership of anything that could be used against them

– The words that most motivate men are the words women most avoid using

– Furious or curious: why anger is static that prevents the song from being heard

– Her husband’s death, grieving without notice, and the concept of 8,000 days

– Her recent hysterectomy and the mystery of women’s bodies to men and to ourselves

– The regret of missing her children’s lives in the sprint of her mission

What You’ll Hear:

– Kimberly’s personal history with Alison’s work across generations

– Frog farmers versus prince farmers: how women unknowingly turn princes into frogs

– What Alison learned watching her mother’s three and a half husbands

– The 1970s addition: get a husband, keep a husband, but never need one

– How testosterone creates single focus and why interrupting men derails depth

– Men’s instinct to provide and why they plan decades into the future without telling their partners

– Why men and women both decide what the other needs without asking—and then resent not being appreciated

– The word “help” as an action command and why women avoid it

– How to ask without interrogating: own your desire and wait for it

– Giving men three chances without shaming—and the difference between asking and condemning

– Actionable information in sexuality: show me, not shame me

– An hour of oral sex: what a panel of men actually said about “too long”

– Honor as doing the right thing no matter how you feel—and why love can’t override it

– Why men leave: “It’s dishonorable for me to stay when I can’t make her happy”

– The incel generation: Kimberly’s daughter on how all the boys are influenced

– Kimberly on learning to be around men after years of only working with women

– Emotional labor, the victim stance, and why “I shouldn’t have to” keeps us stuck

– Predator, prey, herd, and pack: the animal instincts beneath human relating

– Status, quantity versus quality, and why two-income zero-parenting families form

– Die with Zero and 8,000 days: choosing what to spend a finite life on

– Resting as a valid activity: without rest, nothing else works

– Breadwinning and bread losing: honoring the provider regardless of who earns

– The regret of watching home videos of moments she missed—and her children’s astonishing forgiveness

– Kimberly’s reflection: mothering our children is also mothering the world

Resources

Website: allisonarmstrong.com

IG: @thealisonarmstrong

 

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