Show 1336: How the Antiviral Gut Tackles Pathogens from the Inside Out (Archive)
Release Date: 11/29/2025
Show 1461: How Patients Are Using Technology to Heal Healthcare
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Medicine has changed enormously over the last several decades. As with other parts of society, digital technology has disrupted previous practices. Clinicians can now care for patients at home, monitoring them with sophisticated sensors for oxygen saturation, heart rhythm, blood pressure and much more. Even more significant, patients now have greater access to medical knowledge as well as to the state of their own bodies, measured through wearable tools such as smart watches or continuous glucose monitors. With the internet, they can connect with patient groups that offer valuable information...
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Show 1363: Defeating Seasonal Affective Disorder (Archive)
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In this episode, we interview the doctor who first identified seasonal affective disorder (back in 1984!) and went on to develop treatments. Even when days are short (but getting longer, little by little) and skies are gray, you don’t have to suffer with a bleak outlook. Find out what you can do to counteract this common but serious problem. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and...
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Show 1460: Calming Chronic Inflammation Without Medication
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Inflammation is a double-edged sword. When you have a sudden injury or infection, your body responds by calling immune cells to the site of the problem. It may become red, swollen and painful, but all that is supposed to be part of the healing process. What happens with chronic inflammation is more insidious. Many serious diseases, such as diabetes, depression or heart disease, feed off chronic inflammation. Anti-inflammatory drugs can control the problem temporarily, but they have drawbacks if they must be used continuously. How can we go about calming chronic inflammation without medication?...
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Show 1459: Food Is Medicine: Should Your Doctor Be Prescribing Produce?
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One of the most basic pillars of health is good nutrition. A range of eating patterns might all be considered balanced diets, but in general people do better when they eat less processed foods and more whole foods. Vegetables and fruits play a starring role in at least two diets that have been studied extensively, the DASH diet and the Mediterranean diet. Americans might be healthier if we followed these eating plans, but fresh veggies can be pricey. If your doctor were prescribing produce, would your insurance plan cover it? Might this make healthful eating more of a practical possibility? ...
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Show 1458: Psychotherapy on Your Phone: Can AI Fill the Therapy Gap?
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Millions of people are feeling apprehensive these days. The headlines are enough to make almost anyone feel anxious. People who are distressed may have a difficult time finding a therapist, however. There are too few, and consequently many are not taking new patients. Wait lists are long, often three to six months. Therapists who are accepting patients may not take insurance, and therapy can be pricey. A single session of gold-standard cognitive behavioral therapy can cost from $100 to $250. Could AI fill the therapy gap, offering psychotherapy online? At The People’s Pharmacy,...
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Show 1457: How to Strengthen Your Immune System for Cold and Flu Season
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Influenza usually starts in November, and cases increase throughout the winter, not fading until March or so. is especially severe. An awful lot of people are suffering with fever, cough, congestion, body aches, headaches and other symptoms of influenza. Of course, flu is not the only infection out there. Other viruses are also causing sniffles, coughs and pure misery. Is there any way to strengthen your immune system to be ready for cold and flu season? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about...
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Show 1420: The Cooking Oil Controversy Spotlights Cancer (Archive)
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This week, we dig into the cooking oil controversy. For decades, we’ve heard that we should be using vegetable oils rather than butter, lard or other fats (possibly even olive oil). Oils from corn, soybeans, sunflower or safflower seeds are rich in polyunsaturated fatty acids. Consequently, people consuming them may have lower cholesterol levels than those primarily using saturated fats. But could there be a downside? We hear from scientists who have found these seed oils may be linked to certain cancers. The Cooking Oil Controversy: The more we learn about fats, the more it...
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Show 1411: Could Your Kidneys Be Failing You? The Hidden Epidemic Affecting Millions (Archive)
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This week, our guest discusses how to prevent and treat a surprisingly common condition, chronic kidney disease. One in three Americans faces the risk factors for kidney disease; one in seven is actually living with the condition, although they may not be aware of it. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational...
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Show 1456: Beyond the Label: The Transformative Power of Diagnosis
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Do you know someone who has struggled for years to meet deadlines or manage their time? Perhaps you have a smart friend who just never did well in school (or possibly at work) because they couldn’t seem to turn papers (or reports) in on time. Such people might find a diagnosis of attention deficit hyperactivity is a relief. Could it free them to find new and hopeful ways to cope with challenges? In this episode, we explore the transformative power of diagnosis. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health,...
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Show 1455: Common Culprits: How Infections Trigger Chronic Diseases
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When doctors talk about infections, they are usually referring to acute situations in which the immune system gets overwhelmed by a virus such as influenza or chickenpox. Infections also result from the interaction of bacteria with the immune system, as in the case of pneumonia or sepsis. These can be crises, but they are relatively short-lived, resolving one way or the other within a few weeks or at most months. Could infections trigger chronic diseases? Our guest, evolutionary biologist Dr. Paul Ewald, thinks they do. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date,...
info_outlineThis week our guest is gastroenterologist Robynne Chutkan. She explains how keeping our digestive microbiota in good health can help our immune systems fight off pathogens from the inside out.
At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment.
What Determines Host Health?
During the COVID-19 pandemic, we could all see big differences in who got sick and who seemed more resilient. Our immune systems are critical in determining just how susceptible we may be to infectious viruses like SARS-CoV-2. But what shapes our immune response?
What we need is an immune system that reacts just the right amount. This “Goldilocks immune system” meets both internal and external threats without becoming overly exuberant. If the immune system fails to react adequately to external threats, like germs, we come down with an infection.
Conversely, if it overreacts, we end up with allergies, sometimes very severe allergic reactions. In the case of internal threats, an overreaction leads to autoimmune conditions like Crohn’s disease. Lax response to an internal threat could allow a tumor to get out of hand.
A hefty proportion of the immune system is localized in the vicinity of the digestive tract. As it turns out, the balance of microbes inside the gut has a significant impact on how the immune cells just outside the gut behave. Keeping the microbes balanced can help the immune system control pathogens from the inside out.
Tackling Pathogens from the Inside Out:
Even before the pandemic, lots of people wanted to know how to optimize their immune systems. That desire is only stronger now. Surprisingly, we can make a lot of progress with some very simple steps.
Check the Medicine Chest:
To start with, we should all be considering the medications we take. Quite a few common medicines can disrupt the gut microbiota. Proton pump inhibitors like omeprazole (Prilosec) or esomeprazole (Nexium) are not kind to digestive microbes. Neither are pain relievers like ibuprofen or naproxen. Besides disrupting the microbes, NSAIDs like these can irritate the lining of the gastrointestinal tract. Sometimes they are necessary. When they are not, they should be avoided. We could say the same for antibiotics.
Our guest is a gastroenterologist. She understands the impact of pharmaceuticals on our digestive tracts better than most other physicians we have talked to. You will not want to miss her insights!
Feed Them Fiber:
Feeding our microbes what they need is crucial to keeping them healthy so that they can signal our immune systems properly. What microbes like is fiber, so a diet that leans heavily on plants is best. They also like variety.
According to Dr. Chutkan, one study found that people who consume foods containing at least 30 different types of plants each week have the healthiest balance of microbes. She gives an example of oatmeal (one plant) with blueberries, coconut and walnuts (three more plants), served with almond milk (one more plant) and cinnamon (another plant). That brings the total up to six types of plants in one bowl. (Adding maple syrup gives one extra!)
Other Essentials:
There are some other practices that are crucial for keeping our immune systems in tune so they can manage pathogens from the inside out. Getting enough sleep helps reboot the immune system. So does physical activity, especially when it takes you into nature. Exposure to dirt sounds counterintuitive, but it can really help your immune system hum. Moreover, being outside is often a good way to address your stress. Dr. Chutkan cited the Japanese practice of “forest bathing” as a good way of de-stressing and helping the immune system.
Healthy and Delicious:
Finally, Dr. Chutkan shares some of her favorite recipes with us. There are lots more in her wonderful book, The Antiviral Gut, with its detailed plan for improving our microbial balance and immune response.
This Week’s Guest:
Robynne Chutkan, MD, a board-certified gastroenterologist, is a faculty member at Georgetown University Hospital and is the founder of the Digestive Center for Wellness, an integrative gastroenterology practice located in Washington DC. Dr. Chutkan is the author of the digestive health books Gutbliss, The Microbiome Solution, The Bloat Cure and The Anti-Viral Gut: Tackling Pathogens from the Inside Out.
Robynne Chutkan, MD, author of The Anti-Viral Gut: Tackling Pathogens from the Inside Out
An avid squash player, runner and yogi, Dr. Chutkan is passionate about introducing more dirt, sweat and vegetables into people’s lives. She also hosts the marvelous Gutbliss Podcast: