Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison
Release Date: 02/20/2025
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From Codependency to Self-Discovery: Thais Gibson on the Path of an Enneagram Two
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How do your aptitudes intersect with your Enneagram type? Aptitudes are about your innate abilities. Understanding your personal aptitudes can enhance your personal and professional relationships as it allows you to "pinpoint really specific things you can celebrate, lean into, and have confidence about," explains Betsy Wills.
Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison, co-authors of the insightful new book, Your Hidden Genius: The Science-Backed Strategy to Uncovering and Harnessing Your Innate Talents, join me to share their unique experiences with the Enneagram, their journey in writing their new book, and how they've made a once-expensive aptitude assessment accessible to everyone.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
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The strengths and challenges of a One-Three working relationship
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How aptitudes and personality types intersect
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Practical advice for career wellness and personal fulfillment
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The significance of uncovering your innate talents
Don't miss out on this engaging conversation! Tune in now and take the first step towards uncovering your hidden genius.
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ABOUT OUR GUESTS
Alex Ellison is the founder of Throughline Guidance, a college and career counseling practice. Her work as a consultant has allowed her to work with individuals and organizations around the world. She writes and lectures extensively on the subject of careers and college readiness and has been a featured speaker at SXSWedu, NYU’s Stern School of Business, Northwestern University’s Alumni Association, the Kuala Lumpur International Youth Discourse, and TedX. Alex holds a degree in German and business from Northwestern University and a master’s in public policy from the University of Nevada. She lives in Santa Cruz, California.
LinkedIn and Substack | www.yourhiddengenius.com
Betsy Wills is the co-founder of YouScience, a national online psychometric-assessment service. She is a regular guest lecturer at Vanderbilt University and at New York University Stern School of Business and has been a featured speaker for TedX Women. She is also the Director of Marketing and Branding at Diversified Trust, a wealth management firm. She serves on the Advisory Board of the Peggy Guggenheim Museum in Venice and the Music City Center Authority in Nashville. Betsy is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and holds a Master’s of Education in Human Resource Development from Peabody College. She lives in Nashville.
LinkedIn and Instagram | www.yourhiddengenius.com
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