Typology
Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker, and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with recognized Enneagram teachers, bestselling authors, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, and others who are using the Enneagram as a path for personal transformation.
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The Art of Listening: An Eight Step Approach to Connection with Emily Kasriel
09/11/2025
The Art of Listening: An Eight Step Approach to Connection with Emily Kasriel
This week, we explore the art of listening and the complexities of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram with Emily Kasriel, an award-winning journalist, executive coach, and author of the new book, Deep Listening: Transform Your Relationships with Family, Friends, and Foes. Emily shares her journey of self-awareness and the importance of deep listening in our everyday interactions. She discusses her experiences at the BBC, the challenges of listening in high-stakes situations, and the powerful eight-step approach to deep listening outlined in her book. Discover how to create psychological safety in conversations, the significance of being present, and the value of curiosity in understanding others. We also examine the nuances of the Enneagram, helping listeners discern their personality types and how they can enhance their listening skills. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or a seasoned enthusiast, this episode is packed with insights that can transform your relationships and deepen your understanding of yourself and others. Key Highlights: The concept of deep listening and its importance in today's world The eight-step process for effective deep listening Personal anecdotes and reflections on self-awareness The interplay between personality types and listening styles Don't forget to grab a copy of Emily's book, Deep Listening, and join the conversation about how we can all become better listeners! Subscribe to Typology for more insights on personality and relationships!
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How to Lead with Courage and Vulnerability, feat. Dr. Terence Lester (Enneagram 8)
09/04/2025
How to Lead with Courage and Vulnerability, feat. Dr. Terence Lester (Enneagram 8)
In this week’s episode of Typology, I sit down with Dr. Terence Lester—an Enneagram Eight, author of From Dropout to Doctorate, and the visionary founder of Love Beyond Walls. Terence’s story is as powerful as it is inspiring. From his early years in Atlanta to leading a movement that uplifts those experiencing poverty and homelessness, his journey embodies both courage and compassion. Together, we explore what it means to be an Enneagram Eight in the trenches of community work—wrestling with control, burnout, and the temptation to over-function. Terence opens up about a devastating car accident that reshaped his sense of identity, his relationship with productivity, and ultimately, his capacity for gratitude. We also dive into the intersection of action and contemplation, the influence of Henri Nouwen on Terence’s life, and the healing power of reconciliation in his own family story. Along the way, Terence reminds us that leadership isn’t about posturing but about vulnerability, presence, and the willingness to walk alongside others in their pain. This conversation is an invitation to rethink how we serve, how we love, and how we grow. You’ll walk away with profound insights about resilience, healing, and the transformative power of the Enneagram. ABOUT OUR GUEST Dr. Terence Lester is a storyteller, public scholar, speaker, community activist and author of . He is the founder and executive director of , a nonprofit organization focused on raising awareness about poverty, homelessness and community mobilization. He serves as the director of public policy and social change and as a professor at Simmons College of Kentucky (HBCU). He received his PhD with a concentration in public policy and social change from Union Institute and University. Terence has authored four additional books with IVP, including one with his sixteen-year-old daughter, Zion, titled Zion Learns to See: Opening Our Eyes to Homelessness. The other titles include I See You: How Love Opens Our Eyes to Invisible People, When We Stand: The Power of Seeking Justice Together, and All God’s Children: How Confronting Buried History Can Build Racial Solidarity. Terence is known for nationwide campaigns that bring awareness to homelessness, poverty and economic inequality. His awareness campaigns have been featured on ML K50, CNN, Good Morning America, Essence, TEDx, TVONE, Creative Mornings, USA Today, NBC News, Black Enterprise, Rolling Out, Upworthy and more. These campaigns have been viewed by millions of people worldwide. Terence is happily married to his best friend, Cecilia, and they have two amazing children, Zion Joy and Terence II. Learn more about Dr. Lester by visiting his website at or follow on social media at @imterencelester or @lovebeyondwalls.
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1,000 Hours Outside: Rediscovering the Freedom of Play with Ginny Yurich
08/28/2025
1,000 Hours Outside: Rediscovering the Freedom of Play with Ginny Yurich
This week on Typology, I sit down with Ginny Yurich—author of Until the Streetlights Come On and Homeschooling: You’re Doing It Right Just by Doing It. Together, we revisit the freedom of childhood play, explore how modern parenting has shifted, and talk about why kids today desperately need more time outdoors. Ginny, an Enneagram Two, shares candidly about her own parenting journey—what she’s learned about boundaries, mutuality, and the deep desire to feel appreciated. She also introduces her initiative, 1,000 Hours Outside, which is inspiring families around the world to reclaim the simple, sacred gift of unstructured outdoor play. Whether you’re a parent, grandparent, teacher, or simply someone reflecting on your own childhood, this conversation is a powerful reminder that nature has the ability to heal, connect, and transform us. Connect with Ginny
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The ADD Method for Emotional Freedom with Enneagram One, Alicia Michelle
08/22/2025
The ADD Method for Emotional Freedom with Enneagram One, Alicia Michelle
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Alicia Michelle—an Enneagram One and host of The Christian Mindset Coach podcast—for a meaningful conversation about emotions, perfectionism, and the journey toward self-compassion. Alicia shares her story of discovering her true type, the freedom that comes from quieting the inner critic, and her practical ADD method (Acknowledge, Discern, Decide) for processing emotions. Together, we explore the importance of emotional literacy, how different types experience emotions, and why learning to govern our inner world is key to growth. Whether you’re new to the Enneagram or eager to go deeper, this episode offers fresh insights and practical tools for navigating your emotional life with greater clarity and grace.
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Building an Emotionally Healthy Family in a Culture That Won’t Stop Shouting, with Sarah Boyd, M.Ed. in Psych
08/14/2025
Building an Emotionally Healthy Family in a Culture That Won’t Stop Shouting, with Sarah Boyd, M.Ed. in Psych
Ever feel like the world’s volume knob is stuck on “too loud”? In this week’s episode of Typology, I’m joined by my friend Sarah Boyd—an insightful Enneagram Four and author of the brand-new book, . Sarah has walked through seasons of deep beauty and deep challenge—including her own cancer journey—and she’s here to share how those experiences have shaped her understanding of creativity, meaning, and the role our emotions play in living a full, authentic life. We talk about how overstimulation impacts both adults and kids, why recognizing our limitations matters, and how setting healthy boundaries isn’t selfish—it’s essential. Sarah offers thoughtful, practical ideas for creating a home where emotional health can thrive, even when the world outside feels overwhelming. If you’ve been craving a little more peace, presence, and emotional resilience in your daily life, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we explore: The beauty and necessity of emotional experiences How to navigate life in a chronically overstimulated world Simple, powerful practices for parents to nurture their kids’ emotional well-being The freedom that comes from self-care and clear boundaries Thank you for tuning in. We hope you enjoy this enriching episode!
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From VeggieTales to the Enneagram: Mike Nawrocki on Peace, Presence, and Purpose
08/07/2025
From VeggieTales to the Enneagram: Mike Nawrocki on Peace, Presence, and Purpose
What happens when a peace-seeking Enneagram Nine becomes the voice of one of the most beloved animated characters in children’s television? Find out as we dive into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Mike Nawrocki, co-creator of VeggieTales and the voice of Larry the Cucumber. In this engaging conversation, we explore the unique traits of Enneagram Nines, known as the Peacemakers. Mike shares insights from his journey in creating beloved children's content, including his latest project, The Dead Sea Squirrels, which is now a growing book series and animated show. We discuss the motivations behind Nines, their tendency to avoid conflict, and the importance of claiming one's voice and presence in the world. Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just curious about personality types, this episode offers valuable perspectives on self-awareness, personal growth, and the power of creativity. Don't miss this opportunity to learn more about the Enneagram and how it can enhance your understanding of yourself and others! ABOUT MIKE NAWROCKI As co-creator of VeggieTales, co-founder of Big Idea Entertainment, and the voice of Larry the Cucumber, Mike Nawrocki has been dedicated to helping parents pass on biblical values to their kids for over three decades. Mike is the offbeat brain behind Silly Songs with Larry, and has lent his screenwriting and directing talents to dozens of VeggieTales episodes, as well as both of the properties’ theatrical releases, Jonah and The Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything. His most recent project, an early reader book series entitled The Dead Sea Squirrels, has been adapted into a 13-episode animated series now streaming on Minno, with more books and a season 2 of animation currently in the works. Mike also serves as an assistant professor of film and animation at Lipscomb University in Nashville, TN, and co-hosts the weekly podcast, “The Bible for Kids.” Website: and Follow on: |
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Understanding Enneagram Twos: Desire, Boundaries, and Connection with Emily Zeller, LMFT
07/31/2025
Understanding Enneagram Twos: Desire, Boundaries, and Connection with Emily Zeller, LMFT
What happens when your deep longing to love and be loved gets tangled up with your need to be needed? In this week’s episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with the wonderful Emily Zeller—a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified Enneagram practitioner, and a one-to-one Enneagram Two. Emily brings such honesty and heart as we talk about desire, boundaries, and the tender places in all of us that crave connection. As we explore the unique energy of the Enneagram Two and unpack the three subtypes—self-preservation, social, and one-to-one—we ask questions we can all sit with: When have you confused being loved with being needed in your own relationships? What would it look like to offer love without trying to earn it in return? If you’ve ever wrestled with seeking validation, struggled to set boundaries, or simply wanted to understand yourself or a loved one better, you’re going to feel right at home in this conversation. This episode isn’t just for Twos—it’s for anyone longing to grow in self-awareness and bring more compassion and balance to their relationships. 🎧 Listen in and join us as we reflect, laugh, and get real about what it means to be human. And as you listen, consider: where in your life is love inviting you to simply rest and receive? Follow Emily on Instagram: Learn more at: 👉 Subscribe to Typology wherever you get your podcasts and share this episode with someone who needs it.
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A Change of Habit: Sister Monica Clare's Journey from Advertising to Nunhood
07/24/2025
A Change of Habit: Sister Monica Clare's Journey from Advertising to Nunhood
Welcome to this enlightening episode of Typology! Join us as we explore the life and journey of Sister Monica Clare, an Enneagram 6 and author of the memoir A Change of Habit: Leaving Behind My Husband, Career, and Everything I Owned to Become a Nun. In this episode, we explore: Sister Monica's experiences growing up in a chaotic environment and how it shaped her Enneagram type. The unique challenges and joys of being an Enneagram 6 in a religious community. The intersection of spirituality and personality, and how the Enneagram informs her spiritual practices. Insights from her journey in Al-Anon and the lessons learned about control and boundaries. The role of fear and anxiety in decision-making and how she navigates these feelings in her leadership role. Sister Monica shares her candid reflections on her path to becoming a nun, the importance of community, and the spiritual practices that ground her amidst uncertainty. Don't miss this heartfelt conversation filled with wisdom, humor, and inspiration! ------------------------------- Connect with Sister Monica Clare on TikTok: Grab a copy of today!
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Desire, Longing and the Enneagram, feat. Tracey Gee
07/17/2025
Desire, Longing and the Enneagram, feat. Tracey Gee
In this episode of Typology, we welcome Tracey Gee, an Enneagram 3w2 and author of the new book, The Magic of Knowing What You Want: A Practical Guide to Unearthing the Wisdom of Your Desires. Tracey shares her journey of discovering the Enneagram in her late 20s while navigating the challenges of vocational ministry and familial expectations. She reflects on how understanding her Enneagram type has transformed her approach to life, particularly in recognizing the difference between societal scripts and her authentic desires. We dive into the nuances of desire, want, and longing, exploring how these concepts can be intertwined yet distinct. Tracey shares the importance of self-awareness and the role of spiritual practices in uncovering what truly lights us up. Additionally, we touch on the unique challenges each Enneagram type faces when it comes to understanding their desires, and how to move from confusion to confidence in pursuing what truly matters. This episode is packed with insights and practical exercises to help you connect with your authentic self.
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Taming Your Money Monster: Understanding Finances Through the Lens of the Enneagram, feat. Doug Lynam
07/10/2025
Taming Your Money Monster: Understanding Finances Through the Lens of the Enneagram, feat. Doug Lynam
In this episode of Typology, we welcome Doug Lynam, an Enneagram 3w4 and author of the new book "Taming Your Money Monster: Nine Paths to Money Mastery with the Enneagram." Doug shares his fascinating journey from Marine Corps officer to Benedictine monk and now money manager, exploring how the Enneagram can provide insights into our relationship with money. Join us as we dive into the unique "money monsters" associated with each Enneagram type, discussing how childhood narratives shape our financial behaviors and the importance of authenticity in achieving a healthier relationship with money. Doug also introduces his innovatie approach that combines the Enneagram with attachment theory, offering practical tools for overcoming financial challenges. No matter your type, this episode is packed with valuable insights and humor that will help you understand your financial habits and how to master them. Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to change the way you think about money and personal growth. Learn more about Doug at Grab your copy of Subscribe to Typology for more insights on the Enneagram and personal growth.
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Grace Yourself: How to Embrace Sobriety and Self-Acceptance, with Chris Janssen
07/03/2025
Grace Yourself: How to Embrace Sobriety and Self-Acceptance, with Chris Janssen
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Chris Janssen, a USA Today best-selling author and board-certified coach, to explore the intersection of the Enneagram, recovery, and personal growth. Chris, an Enneagram 4, shares her journey of sobriety and the insights she gained from her experiences. Together, we discuss the unique challenges that Enneagram 4s face, particularly in relation to addiction and the feeling of being different. Chris opens up about her struggles with self-acceptance and the importance of grace in the recovery process. Tune in as we dive into: The role of the Enneagram in understanding addiction The significance of grace on the recovery journey How to navigate criticism and self-worth as a creative The power of community in recovery settings Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this episode offers valuable insights into embracing your true self and finding healing. Don't forget to check out Chris's new book, "," available wherever books are sold. Subscribe to Typology for more episodes exploring the human personality through the lens of the Enneagram! May you have love, joy, peace, healing, and rest. Until next time! Connect with Chris Janssen here: www.
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The Stories That Shape Us, feat. Melanie Shankle (Enneagram 9)
06/26/2025
The Stories That Shape Us, feat. Melanie Shankle (Enneagram 9)
How do our early stories shape who we become, and what would it look like to embrace healing and grace along the way? In this heartfelt episode of Typology, we welcome Melanie Shankle, an Enneagram 9 with an 8 wing and author of Here Be Dragons: Treading the Deep Waters of Motherhood, Mean Girls, and Generational Trauma. Melanie opens up about the impact of a turbulent childhood, the people-pleasing patterns that followed, and what it took for her to confront her past with honesty and compassion. Together, we explore how writing her book became a profound path of self-understanding and generational healing. Whether you’re reflecting on your own childhood, parenting, or your inner growth as an adult, this honest and hopeful conversation invites you to embrace grace, compassion, and deeper self-awareness. Tune in and discover that healing often begins when we dare to face the stories we thought we had to hide.
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Joy, Suffering, and the Spirit Who Holds It All – with Margaret Feinberg (Enneagram 7w8)
06/19/2025
Joy, Suffering, and the Spirit Who Holds It All – with Margaret Feinberg (Enneagram 7w8)
This week on Typology, I sat down with the brilliant and buoyant Margaret Feinberg—author, teacher, and Enneagram 7 with an 8 wing. We talked about her new book, The God You Need to Know, and what it means to experience the Holy Spirit’s presence—not just in the highs of life, but in the valleys too. Margaret opened up about facing surgery just before her book launch, navigating the exhaustion that comes with being “on” all the time, and how her joy had to be redefined in the midst of cancer. We also explored how ADHD traits can show up in Enneagram Sevens, what it’s like being married to a Type 5, and how learning to rest isn’t easy when you live in a world that never slows down. Margaret also offered a fresh perspective on the Holy Spirit—not just in the New Testament, but throughout Scripture. It’s a conversation about joy that makes room for sorrow, faith that’s been through the fire, and a Spirit who meets us in the mess. As you listen, take a moment to consider: What does true rest look like for you? Has your understanding of the Holy Spirit grown or shifted over time? Can you recall a time when joy and suffering existed side by side in your story?
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The Inner World of a 4w5: The Creative Struggle for Authenticity with Hanna HowardDraft: Hanna Howard
06/12/2025
The Inner World of a 4w5: The Creative Struggle for Authenticity with Hanna HowardDraft: Hanna Howard
This week on Typology I had the joy of sitting down with author Hanna Howard, an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. Hanna’s not only the author of the young adult fantasy novel Our Divine Mischief, but also a great example of how our Enneagram type shapes the stories we tell — on paper and in life. We talk about what sets a 4w5 apart — that mix of emotional depth and intellectual curiosity. While a 4w3 may lean toward image and achievement, Hanna shares how her Five wing draws her inward, toward reflection, research, and a rich world of ideas. Hanna opens up about her lifelong search for authenticity — that familiar Four longing to feel significant — and shares a moment from her college years when a single line from Twelfth Night put words to that ache for belonging. Of course, we talk about Our Divine Mischief — Hanna’s alternate-history fantasy set in a magical version of Scotland. At its core, it’s a story about belonging, something every Four knows well, complete with a wish-granting dog (yes, really). It’s a rich conversation about creativity, personality, and the longing we all carry to belong. I hope you enjoy it. And if you’re looking for a beautiful read, check out Our Divine Mischief. 🎧 Listen wherever you get your podcasts. And as always — stay curious.
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Understanding Your Conflict Style: Enneagram Insights with Dr. James Ginn
06/05/2025
Understanding Your Conflict Style: Enneagram Insights with Dr. James Ginn
In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we dive deep into the art of conflict resolution with our special guest, James Ginn, author of the new book How to Get Along with Anyone: The Playbook for Predicting and Preventing Conflict at Work and at Home. Join us as we explore the five distinct conflict styles: Avoiders, Competitors, Collaborators, Accommodators, and Analyzers. James shares insights on how these typologies influence our reactions during conflicts and how understanding them can lead to better relationships both at work and at home. We discuss: The three types of conflict: task, process, and relational. How to identify your own conflict style and triggers. Practical strategies for navigating conflicts with different personality types. The importance of emotional intelligence in resolving disputes. Whether you're a conflict resolution specialist or someone who simply wants to improve your interpersonal relationships, this episode is packed with valuable insights and actionable advice. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the notification bell for more episodes on understanding personality types and enhancing your relationships! Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:10 - Meet James Ginn 00:53 - Understanding the Enneagram and conflict styles 02:08 - Identifying your conflict style 02:35 - The three types of conflict 04:20 - Communication preferences in conflict 05:42 - How to approach conflict resolution 10:01 - The role of emotional triggers 11:50 - Tone of communication in conflict 20:22- The importance of assessing conflict situations 30:58 - Final thoughts on conflict resolution and Enneagram types Follow us on social media: Instagram: Twitter: Facebook: Get James Ginn's book: Tune in and learn how to get along with anyone!
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When “Enough” Is More Than Money: An Enneagram One’s Journey, feat. Elizabeth Husserl
05/31/2025
When “Enough” Is More Than Money: An Enneagram One’s Journey, feat. Elizabeth Husserl
In this heartfelt episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with Elizabeth Husserl—an Enneagram One with a Two wing and the author of the beautiful new book The Power of Enough: Finding Joy in Your Relationship with Money. Elizabeth's story begins over two decades ago when she first encountered the Enneagram. What followed was nothing short of transformational. Her work with the Enneagram didn’t just shape her inner life—it helped heal her marriage and completely reframed her understanding of wealth. In our conversation, she invites us to imagine a richer, more expansive definition of money—one rooted in connection, belonging, and wholeness rather than scarcity and striving. Together, we explore: How the Enneagram can deepen personal growth and strengthen relationships Elizabeth’s evolving relationship with money and what it’s taught her The role of financial “DNA” and how we can begin to rewrite our inherited money stories Grounded practices for living with “enoughness” in every area of life If you're curious about how the Enneagram intersects with your financial story—or simply hungry for a more soulful approach to money—this episode is full of wisdom, vulnerability, and grace. You can learn more about Elizabeth’s work at , and follow her on Instagram for more insights.
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Dr. Morgan Cutlip on Tackling the Invisible Burden of the Mental Load Among Couples
05/22/2025
Dr. Morgan Cutlip on Tackling the Invisible Burden of the Mental Load Among Couples
Have you ever felt overwhelmed in your relationships or struggled with the mental load? If yes, this episode is a must-listen! In this episode, Dr. Morgan Cutlip, an Enneagram 9 and author of the new book, A Better Share reveals how understanding her Enneagram type has shaped her approach to relationships, especially with her husband, who is a Type 3. We explore the dynamics of their relationship, including the challenges of maintaining connection while navigating the complexities of life and parenting. Morgan shares her journey of reclaiming her voice and agency, which is particularly resonant for those of us who identify with the steady, reliable nature of the Enneagram 9. One of the key topics we discuss is the concept of the "mental load"—the invisible tasks and emotional labor that often fall disproportionately on women in relationships. Morgan provides practical insights on how couples can tackle this load together, fostering a more equitable partnership that leads to less resentment and greater fun! Here are a few highlights from the episode: The importance of understanding your partner's Enneagram type to improve communication and connection. How to navigate feelings of resentment and the need for appreciation in relationships. Strategies for creating a more balanced share of responsibilities at home. Whether you're a 9, a 3, or any other type, this episode offers valuable insights that can help you strengthen your relationships and enhance your emotional well-being. As always, thank you for being a part of the Typology community.
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From Conflict to Connection: Transforming Relationships Through the Enneagram with Christa Hardin, MA
05/15/2025
From Conflict to Connection: Transforming Relationships Through the Enneagram with Christa Hardin, MA
In this episode of Typology, we take a look at the fascinating intersection of the Enneagram and relationships with our special guest, Crista Hardin, a relationship expert and author of "The Enneagram in Marriage." Christa, an Enneagram 7, brings her vibrant energy and insights to the conversation, discussing how her type influences her marriage and her work with couples. We explore the complexities of anxiety in Sevens, the importance of understanding core fears in relationships, and how different Enneagram types interact with one another. Christa shares her personal experiences, including her journey through marriage and the challenges she and her husband have faced over nearly 30 years together. Throughout the episode, we touch on the dynamics of various type pairings, the challenges and transformations that can arise in relationships, and the significance of emotional regulation and understanding in conflict resolution. Christa emphasizes the importance of recognizing our own flaws and the value of shared meaning in relationships. Join us for this enlightening discussion that not only sheds light on the Enneagram but also offers practical insights for navigating the complexities of love and partnership. Don't forget to check out Christa's podcast, "Enneagram and Marriage," and her website for more resources! You can find Christa's website, blog, freebies, and Enneagram & Marriage podcast links at . PREFER TO WATCH THIS INTERVIEW? Check us out on ========================================================== DISCOVER YOUR ENNEAGRAM TYPE The Typology Institute Enneagram Assessment reveals more than just your type. You'll learn your dominant wing, subtype, stance, instinct, orientation to time, and much more. Take 10% off with the discount code TYPOLOGYPODCAST today. CONNECT WITH IAN: | | Follow Ian on , , and Follow Typology on and
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Underestimated: Mary Marantz on Embracing Fear and Moving Forward
05/09/2025
Underestimated: Mary Marantz on Embracing Fear and Moving Forward
This week we welcome the incredible Mary Marantz, an Enneagram 4 and author of the new book, Underestimated: The Surprisingly Simple Shift to Quit Playing Small, Name the Fear, and Move Forward Anyway. In this episode, we dive deep into the transformative power of understanding our Enneagram types and how they shape our narratives. Mary shares her personal journey of self-discovery, revealing how she once identified as a self-preserving 4 and the profound impact that realization had on her life. We explore the moments in our childhoods that made us feel different, the stories we tell ourselves, and how those narratives can either limit or liberate us. Mary opens up about her experiences growing up in rural West Virginia and how they influenced her drive for perfectionism and the need to be seen and valued. Here are some highlights you won’t want to miss: The significance of recognizing our core longings and how they shape our identities. A candid discussion on the fears that hold us back, including perfectionism, people-pleasing, and imposter syndrome. Insights into how we can redefine what a "big life" means for us, moving beyond societal expectations. Mary’s wisdom and vulnerability shine through as she encourages us to embrace our stories, both the beautiful and the painful. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to understand themselves better and to find the courage to move forward. Tune in now to hear this enlightening conversation and discover how you can start to shift your own narrative!
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From Codependency to Self-Discovery: Thais Gibson on the Path of an Enneagram Two
05/07/2025
From Codependency to Self-Discovery: Thais Gibson on the Path of an Enneagram Two
In this episode of Typology, we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with our special guest, Thais Gibson, an Enneagram Two with a Three wing. Thais is a counselor, best-selling author, and co-founder of the Personal Development School, bringing a wealth of knowledge and experience to our conversation. Join Ian Cron and co-host Anthony Skinner as they explore Thais's journey of self-discovery, healing, and the challenges of being a Two. Thais shares her insights on codependency, the importance of setting boundaries, and how her experiences with pain have shaped her understanding of personal growth. We also discuss the intersection of addiction and attachment theory, revealing how our early experiences influence our relationships with ourselves and others. Thais offers valuable strategies for transforming maladaptive behaviors and fostering a secure attachment to both ourselves and the divine. Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this episode is packed with wisdom and practical advice for anyone looking to deepen their understanding of themselves and their relationships. Key Topics: Thais's journey as an Enneagram Two The impact of childhood experiences on adult relationships Codependency and the importance of boundaries Healing through pain and personal growth Attachment theory and its relevance to addiction Strategies for fostering secure attachments Don't miss this rich conversation that promises to inspire and empower you on your personal development journey! Subscribe for more episodes exploring the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram.
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The Audacity to Be You: Embracing Your True Self, feat. Dr. Brad Reedy
04/24/2025
The Audacity to Be You: Embracing Your True Self, feat. Dr. Brad Reedy
In this powerful episode of Typology, I’m honored to sit down with Enneagram 8, Dr. Brad Reedy, co-founder and chief clinical officer of Finding You Therapy Programs, Together, we explore the profound impact of therapy and self-acceptance on the transformative journey of self-discovery and healing. Brad opens up about his journey as a therapist and how his work has profoundly impacted families, including my own. We dive into his flagship program, Finding You, which offers an immersive experience designed to help participants explore their family of origin and understand how their past shapes their present. One of the most powerful themes we discuss is the importance of vulnerability. Brad shares a poignant insight from his therapist: “The suicidal impulse is correct, but the mistake is thinking you have to kill the whole self. You just need to learn which part of yourself needs to die.” This profound perspective can help us all recognize that our greatest weaknesses can become our greatest assets. We also touch on the Enneagram and how understanding our core motivations can lead to deeper self-awareness and healthier relationships. Brad’s candid reflections on his own struggles with vulnerability and the journey of self-acceptance are both inspiring and relatable. Whether you’re familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey of self-discovery, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we explore the audacity to be ourselves and learn to love our “horrible, rotten selves.” Tune in now to hear this rich conversation and discover how you can apply these insights to your own life.
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The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick
04/18/2025
The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick
This week on Typology, I sat down with my dear friend, therapist and spiritual director, Michael Cusick for a raw, wise, and deeply compassionate conversation about the connection between attachments and our path to healing. Michael—founder of Restoring the Soul and a true guide for the journey inward—helps us unpack the idea that our symptoms (anxiety, compulsions, burnout, you name it) aren’t signs we’re broken…but sacred signals that our soul is calling for care. We talk about: How trauma, shame, and burnout stand in the way of our relationship with God Why “trying harder” doesn’t lead to transformation What spiritual bypassing actually looks like—and how to avoid it The Four S’s of attachment -- seeing, soothing, safety, and security – and the crucial role they play in spiritual healing This is one of those episodes you’ll want to listen to more than once and maybe share with a friend who’s in the thick of it. ==================================================== CONNECT WITH IAN: Website: https://ianmorgancron.com Podcast: https://typologypodcast.com Online Learning: https://typologyinstitute.com Find Your Type: https://typologyinstitute.com/assessment The Fix: https://ianmorgancron.com/thefix FOLLOW IAN: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ianmorgancron LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron/ YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/imcron FOLLOW TYPOLOGY PODCAST: https://www.instagram.com/typologypodcast https://www.facebook.com/typologypodcast
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An Enneagram Six's Journey to Open-Heartedness, feat. Jeff Chu
04/10/2025
An Enneagram Six's Journey to Open-Heartedness, feat. Jeff Chu
How do you cultivate open-heartedness? Tune in as the insightful Jeff Chu, author of the new memoir, Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand and a self-identified Enneagram Six, shares what he learned on his journey from a successful career in journalism to the unexpected life of a farmhand at Princeton's Farminary. We explore the fascinating intersection of farming and personal growth, discussing how engaging with the land has taught Jeff invaluable lessons about trust, fear, and the beauty of second chances. As he reflects on his experiences, he reveals how farming has helped him embrace uncertainty and cultivate an open heart, even amidst anxiety. Here are a few highlights you won't want to miss: The surprising connection between farming and spiritual growth. How Jeff's experiences as an Enneagram Six have shaped his understanding of trust and community. The importance of letting go and recognizing the safety nets that support us in life. A candid discussion about the fears we all face and how to transform them into something fruitful. Whether you're a fellow Six or simply curious about the Enneagram, this episode is packed with wisdom and humor that will resonate with you. Join us as we uncover the beauty of open-heartedness and the lessons that come from tending to both soil and spirit.
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Smart, Not Loud: Strategies for Getting Noticed at Work with Jessica Chen
04/03/2025
Smart, Not Loud: Strategies for Getting Noticed at Work with Jessica Chen
Today on Typology, we dig into the Enneagram with our special guest, Jessica Chen, an Enneagram 3 and author of the insightful book Smart, Not Loud: How to Get Noticed at Work for All the Right Reasons. Join us as we explore the unique challenges faced by quieter personality types in the workplace, particularly those identified as Enneagram 4s, 5s, 6s, and 9s. Jessica shares her personal journey of navigating a "quiet culture" and how it shaped her professional life. We discuss the importance of self-awareness, effective communication, and the strategies that can help quieter individuals find their voice and thrive in their careers. Key topics include: The significance of understanding different Enneagram types How to build your career brand and get noticed for the right reasons Practical tips for engaging in conflict and celebrating accomplishments The ARC method: Ask, Runway, Celebrate Whether you're an introvert looking to make your mark or a leader wanting to create a more inclusive environment, this episode is packed with valuable insights and actionable advice. Don't forget to check out Jessica's book and connect with her on LinkedIn for more resources! Listen now and discover how to navigate the workplace with confidence! 🔗 Links: Jessica Chen's Book: Follow Jessica on , Follow the Typology Podcast for more Enneagram discussions and tools for personal and professional growth.
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How to Cultivate a Deep-Rooted Marriage, feat. Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call
03/27/2025
How to Cultivate a Deep-Rooted Marriage, feat. Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call
Join us for an enlightening episode of the Typology Podcast as we dive deep into the complexities of marriage through the lens of the Enneagram with our special guests, Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call. In this episode, we explore insights from their book, . Discover how the Enneagram can provide clarity in relationships, particularly for those navigating the challenges of shame and vulnerability. Dan, an Enneagram 8, and Steve, an Enneagram 3, share their personal experiences and therapeutic wisdom on how to foster deep connection and understanding in marriage. Key topics include: The importance of curiosity in conflict resolution How to cultivate awareness and mitigate shame and contempt The role of delight and awe in nurturing intimacy Practical advice for couples at different stages of marriage Whether you're in a new relationship or have been in a partnership for decades, this conversation offers valuable wisdom for anyone looking to strengthen their relationship. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from two seasoned experts in the field! 🔔 Follow Typology Podcast to hear new episodes weekly 👍 Like and share this episode with friends and family! 👀 Watch full episodes on YouTube
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How to Transform Shame into Empowerment through Storytelling, feat. ESPN reporter Lauren Sisler
03/20/2025
How to Transform Shame into Empowerment through Storytelling, feat. ESPN reporter Lauren Sisler
Is she an Enneagram Two, the Helper, or an Enneagram Three, the Achiever? Find out in today's episode with Emmy award-winning sports broadcaster, ESPN sideline reporter, author, keynote speaker, and someone known for her sideline shimmy, Lauren Sisler. Through insightful typing questions, Ian guides Lauren on an exploration of her core motivations, fears, and traits that define her personality. We unpack the nuances of the Two and the Three, the challenges of codependency, and the importance of self-care and boundaries. But this episode goes beyond just personality types. In this candid conversation, Lauren shares her powerful story of overcoming the shame associated with losing her parents to opioid addiction. She opens up about shame the stigma surrounding addiction, how it shaped her identity, and the journey of overcoming that shame through storytelling and vulnerability. Tune in for a heartfelt discussion that not only unpacks the Enneagram but also highlights the power of sharing our stories and the healing that comes from embracing our true selves.
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Jason Wahler's Recovery Journey: Navigating Codependency and Self-Discovery
03/13/2025
Jason Wahler's Recovery Journey: Navigating Codependency and Self-Discovery
This week we welcome the incredible Jason Wahler, a passionate advocate for addiction education and recovery. You may recognize Jason from shows like Laguna Beach, The Hills, and Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. His journey through addiction and recovery is both inspiring and enlightening. In this episode, we discuss Jason's Enneagram type, which he recently discovered to be a 3 with a 2 wing. Together, we explore what this means for him personally and how it relates to his experiences in recovery. Jason shares his story of transformation, the challenges he's faced, and the profound insights he's gained along the way. Here are some highlights you won't want to miss: Understanding the Enneagram: We break down what it means to be a Type 3 and how the 2 wing influences Jason's personality and relationships. The Journey of Self-Discovery: Jason reflects on how sobriety has allowed him to reconnect with his true self and rediscover his passions. The Role of Codependency: We discuss the importance of recognizing codependent behaviors and how they can impact recovery. Practical Insights: Jason shares valuable lessons on how to maintain balance and structure in life, especially in the context of recovery. Tune in now to hear Jason's powerful story and learn how the Enneagram can provide clarity and understanding in your own life. _________________________________________________________ Guest's Links: Instagram: YouTube: Website: Director of Development for the Alyst Health: SobrSafe: Connect with Ian: | | | This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp Online Therapy. Give online therapy a try at and get on your way to becoming your best self.
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The One-to-One Seven: Unpacking the Unique Landscape of Enneagram 7s w/Justin Heap
03/06/2025
The One-to-One Seven: Unpacking the Unique Landscape of Enneagram 7s w/Justin Heap
In this episode of Typology, host Ian Cron welcomes Enneagram 7, Justin Heap, a creative consultant, certified Enneagram coach, and author. Together, they dive deep into the unique inner world of the Enneagram 7, particularly focusing on the one-to-one subtype, which often resembles the emotional depth of a four. Join Ian and Justin as they explore: The adventurous spirit of Enneagram 7s and their love for possibility The often hidden emotional landscape beneath the lighthearted exterior of sevens The impact of childhood experiences on the development of a seven's personality The relationship between fear, anxiety, and the seven's quest for freedom The fascinating connection between sevens and fours, including the allure of mysticism Practical advice for young sevens on cultivating presence and deepening relationships Whether you're a seven yourself or simply curious about the Enneagram, this episode offers valuable insights into understanding the complexities of this personality type. Don't forget to check out Justin's latest book, "," and stay tuned for more enlightening discussions on the Enneagram! Listen now and discover the rich inner world of the Enneagram 7! 🔗 📚 Grab Ian's new book, "," available everywhere fine books are sold! 👍 Like, subscribe, and share for more episodes on the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram!
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Navigating Difficult Conversations: LaTasha Morrison's Irenic Approach to Racial Equity and Justice
03/01/2025
Navigating Difficult Conversations: LaTasha Morrison's Irenic Approach to Racial Equity and Justice
This week, our special guest, LaTasha Morrison, Enneagram 9 and the author of the award-winning New York Times bestseller, Be the Bridge shares insights from her latest book, Brown Faces, White Spaces: Confronting Systemic Racism to Bring Healing and Restoration, where she tackles the challenging topic of systemic racism with grace and compassion. Join us as we explore LaTasha's journey of finding her voice and stepping into leadership as an Enneagram Nine, even in the face of conflict. We explore the importance of truth in the work of racial reconciliation and how LaTasha navigates difficult conversations in predominantly white spaces. Discover how LaTasha's unique gifts as a bridge builder and change agent allows her to confront tough issues while fostering understanding and connection. This episode is a powerful reminder of the role of love, truth, and grace in the pursuit of justice and healing.Navi Follow LaTasha Morrison: Website: Social Media: @LatashaMorrison Subscribe to Typology for more insightful conversations about personality and personal growth!
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Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison
02/20/2025
Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison
How do your aptitudes intersect with your Enneagram type? Aptitudes are about your innate abilities. Understanding your personal aptitudes can enhance your personal and professional relationships as it allows you to "pinpoint really specific things you can celebrate, lean into, and have confidence about," explains Betsy Wills. Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison, co-authors of the insightful new book, Your Hidden Genius: The Science-Backed Strategy to Uncovering and Harnessing Your Innate Talents, join me to share their unique experiences with the Enneagram, their journey in writing their new book, and how they've made a once-expensive aptitude assessment accessible to everyone. In this episode, you’ll learn: The strengths and challenges of a One-Three working relationship How aptitudes and personality types intersect Practical advice for career wellness and personal fulfillment The significance of uncovering your innate talents Don't miss out on this engaging conversation! Tune in now and take the first step towards uncovering your hidden genius. ==================================================== ABOUT OUR GUESTS Alex Ellison is the founder of Throughline Guidance, a college and career counseling practice. Her work as a consultant has allowed her to work with individuals and organizations around the world. She writes and lectures extensively on the subject of careers and college readiness and has been a featured speaker at SXSWedu, NYU’s Stern School of Business, Northwestern University’s Alumni Association, the Kuala Lumpur International Youth Discourse, and TedX. Alex holds a degree in German and business from Northwestern University and a master’s in public policy from the University of Nevada. She lives in Santa Cruz, California. and | Betsy Wills is the co-founder of YouScience, a national online psychometric-assessment service. She is a regular guest lecturer at Vanderbilt University and at New York University Stern School of Business and has been a featured speaker for TedX Women. She is also the Director of Marketing and Branding at Diversified Trust, a wealth management firm. She serves on the Advisory Board of the Peggy Guggenheim Museum in Venice and the Music City Center Authority in Nashville. Betsy is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and holds a Master’s of Education in Human Resource Development from Peabody College. She lives in Nashville. and | MORE RESOURCES | | |
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