EP 269 - Let’s Retire Retirement: Derek Coburn’s Bold Blueprint for a Fulfilling Life at Every Stage
Release Date: 07/15/2025
Paper Napkin Wisdom
When you sit down with someone like Steven Rothberg, Founder and Chief Visionary Officer of , you expect to hear insights about hiring, technology, and the future of work. What you might not expect is a napkin that sums up decades of wisdom in a sentence so straightforward it almost sounds too simple: “If a customer wants to give you more money, find a way of making that happen. $$$” At first glance, it feels like sales advice. But during our conversation, it became clear that Steven’s napkin is less about sales tactics and more about mindset. It’s about curiosity,...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
Partnership is one of the most powerful words in leadership and in life. We spend years searching for the right business partner, co-founder, or even life partner. But here’s the twist on this week’s Paper Napkin Wisdom: the greatest, most important partnership you’ll ever have is not with someone else—it’s with yourself. The napkin for Episode 292 asks the provocative question: “Who’s the best partner you ever had?” And then delivers the unexpected truth: (Secret)… it’s you. In this episode, Govindh dives deep into the nature of the...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
Jennifer McKenna, founder of JMac Consulting, is an accomplished business strategist, executive coach, and creator of The JMac Method. With decades of experience guiding leaders and organizations through transformation, Jennifer has built her reputation on blending practical business strategy with a deep commitment to values, authenticity, and growth. She has coached Fortune 500 executives, entrepreneurs, and visionaries to align who they are with what they do. On Paper Napkin Wisdom, Jennifer shares her Prosperity Formula — a deceptively simple but powerful framework to help...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
In Episode 290 of Paper Napkin Wisdom, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Andrew Safnauer, a seasoned leader and executive with a wealth of experience in management, strategy, and innovation. Andrew has held leadership roles across diverse industries and today brings his insights into resilience, adaptability, and persistence. His wisdom is captured on a single napkin: “Find your way over the wall.” At first glance, it’s a simple metaphor. But as Andrew shares, this idea has been a recurring theme throughout his life and career, one that continues to guide him...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
In Episode 289 of Paper Napkin Wisdom, host Govindh Jayaraman takes us deeper into the next evolution of his work: The Edge of the Napkin. This isn’t just about wisdom captured in simple strokes anymore — it’s about stepping into the tension between friction and flow, and understanding the rhythms of creativity and growth. The napkin for this episode sets the stage: a stick figure caught between jagged lines of friction and the upward curve of flow, alongside two key modes — Seminal (Spark) and Gestational (Build). At its heart, the question posed is simple but powerful: Are...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
When Katy Spada sat down with me on Paper Napkin Wisdom, she brought a napkin that was more than just words — it was a challenge: “Build the world you wish existed for your younger self, and for those who come next.” Katy isn’t just an entrepreneur. She’s a mother of two (ages 7 and 4), a storyteller, and the founder of , a lifestyle and apparel company that’s grounded in values of creativity, heritage, and intentional living. What makes her story remarkable is how deeply personal it is. As she says, she never set out to be an entrepreneur — she calls...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
In this episode of Paper Napkin Wisdom, Govindh Jayaraman welcomes Sam Toles, a digital media pioneer and storyteller with decades of experience building audiences, brands, and communities. Sam is the CEO and co-founder of , a platform designed to transform civic engagement by helping communities and governments create stronger, more transparent conversations online. Sam’s career has spanned leadership roles at MGM, Vimeo, Bleacher Report, and Warner Bros., and throughout it all he has stayed focused on how creativity, structure, and permission come together to unlock growth. His...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
In this special episode of Paper Napkin Wisdom, I (Govindh Jayaraman) take a step back to reflect on the journey we’ve been on together — over 280 episodes filled with wisdom, stories, and lessons from incredible leaders, entrepreneurs, and difference makers. The napkin for this episode reads: “Introducing the Edge of the Napkin.” It’s a phrase that captures both a transition and an expansion. The napkin has always been a place for distilled wisdom — one sentence, one thought, one principle that could change everything if applied. But now, we’re venturing into...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
Careers aren’t meant to be lived on repeat. In this episode of Paper Napkin Wisdom, we sit down with Kendra MacDonald, CEO of Canada’s Ocean Supercluster, a leader who has spent her career helping organizations innovate, adapt, and push boundaries. Kendra has been recognized for her work in transformation and leadership across industries, and she brings her wisdom to the napkin with a deceptively simple but powerful message. On her napkin, Kendra wrote: “Make sure your career is 25 years, not 1 year 25 times. What will you learn this year?” This phrase, first...
info_outlinePaper Napkin Wisdom
Introduction: A Journey Comes Full Circle Over the course of sixteen episodes, Michael Walsh has taken us on an extraordinary journey through what he calls the Freedom Framework. This framework has become a cornerstone for entrepreneurs who want to build businesses that don’t just survive but thrive – organizations that create value, empower people, and endure through change. Michael, founder of , has spent decades helping leaders shift from working in their businesses to working on them. His approach blends deep financial discipline, people-first development, and a...
info_outlineIn this powerful return to Paper Napkin Wisdom, the bestselling author of Networking Is Not Working and the new book Let’s Retire Retirement dives into a game-changing mindset shift: what if retirement was never the goal?
Derek is a financial advisor, entrepreneur, community builder, and father. With decades of experience advising high-performing individuals and leading powerful networking communities like Cadre, he’s seen firsthand how many people are grinding through their best years waiting for a someday that may never come. That’s why his napkin—“Let’s Retire Retirement”—is both a provocation and a plan.
“The subtitle of the book is: How to enjoy life to the fullest now and later,” Derek explains. “Because what’s the point of waiting?”
This episode is not about abandoning discipline or long-term planning—it’s about shifting your paradigm. Derek offers a compelling argument that if we keep chasing a future reward at the expense of the present, we may never get the life we actually want.
From Deferred Living to Designed Living
Derek shares how the “retirement” model came from industrial-age thinking—a system that assumed people would be worn out by 65 and needed time to rest. But with rising life expectancy, improved health, and the flexibility of modern work, many high-performers are capable of thriving well into their later years.
“It’s not that I’m anti-retirement,” Derek clarifies, “I’m anti-deferring joy.”
He urges leaders to rethink the way they structure their lives. Instead of slogging through decades to reach a mythical endgame, he encourages micro-retirements, intentional sabbaticals, and rebalancing life now to ensure you’re not just accumulating money—but accumulating moments.
The Mindset Shift That Changes Everything
Derek’s take is deeply personal. As a dad and husband, he’s recalibrated how he spends his time. Rather than front-loading his career and back-loading family, he’s building a life that blends both. He believes this is not only possible—but essential—for entrepreneurs and leaders.
“Why are we so okay with this cultural lie,” he asks, “that the best years of our lives should be sacrificed for the unknown promise of leisure later?”
In his experience coaching and advising leaders, the ones who thrive the longest are those who remain curious, active, and engaged—not those who drop everything at 65.
This episode invites listeners to question deeply held assumptions about success, productivity, and legacy. And Derek doesn’t just share theory—he offers practical ideas you can act on today.
5 Key Takeaways from Derek Coburn – Episode 269
1. Retirement is an outdated concept—design your life instead
"Why are we deferring the good stuff? Let’s build it into our now."
-
Take Action: Audit your calendar—where are you deferring joy? Schedule one thing this week that brings long-term joy now.
2. Micro-retirements and intentional breaks are powerful
"You don’t need to stop working to rest. You need to be intentional."
-
Take Action: Plan a 2-3 day “mini-retreat” in the next 90 days where you focus on rest, reflection, and connection.
3. Enjoy now and later—it’s not either/or
"You can be responsible and present. It’s a false tradeoff to think otherwise."
-
Take Action: List 3 experiences you’ve been putting off. Choose one and create a plan to do it this quarter.
4. Curiosity and contribution are key to lifelong fulfillment
"Most of the happiest older folks I know are still contributing in some way."
-
Take Action: Identify a way to use your skills to serve a cause or mentor someone—even in a small way this month.
5. Relationships and community matter more than wealth
"No one retires well alone. The people around you are your legacy."
-
Take Action: Reconnect with one person this week who energizes you. Reach out and invite a deeper conversation.
Derek’s message is timely, practical, and deeply human. If you’ve ever wondered if there’s more to life than the next milestone, this episode is a must-listen.
📌 What’s your version of retiring retirement?
Write it on a napkin. Share it. Start living it.
👉 Tag your takeaway with #PaperNapkinWisdom and let’s spread the message that fulfillment isn’t a destination—it’s a design choice.
Connect with Derek: