402 Utopian Concepts and Entrepreneurial Writing with Elle Griffin
Release Date: 05/12/2025
409: The Leadership Blind Spot No One Is Talking About with Dan Pontefract
The Future of Leadership
Leadership thinker and author Dan Pontefract joins Zoë to explore the demographic forces reshaping the future of work. With ageing populations and declining birth rates, the question is simple: are organisations ready? Drawing on The Future of Work Is Gray, Dan reframes ageing as a strategic advantage, not a liability. The conversation explores ageism, longevity, and outdated career ladders, offering practical alternatives like phased retirement, career “canvases,” and new ways to value experience at work. Kickstarter link: Key Quotes “Demographics isn’t ideology, it’s just...
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408: Leadership at the Edge of Humanity: AI, Mars, and Moral Choice
The Future of Leadership
In this episode of The Future of Leadership, host Zoë Routh reflects on the idea of place, how where we are shapes who we become, prompted by Australia Day and the launch of Olympus Dawn, the final book in her Gaia series. Go to the Kickstarter campaign here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zoerouth/olympus-dawn-the-complete-gaia-series-finale Zoë is joined by Richard Anderson, a microbiologist and science-fiction author whose work sits at the intersection of evolution, ethics, and humanity’s future beyond Earth. Richard shares his journey from writing about the origins of life...
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407: Leadership Transitions: When Success, Identity & Purpose Begin to Shift
The Future of Leadership
Leadership change isn’t always loud. Sometimes it’s quiet, disorienting, and deeply personal. In this episode, Zoë Routh returns to the podcast after a six-month break to explore what she calls The Chrysalis Concept, a leadership transition phase where old identities dissolve before new ones take shape. This conversation is for leaders navigating: -career transitions later in life -burnout after success -identity shifts beyond titles and roles -uncertainty about “what’s next” -redefining retirement, contribution, and purpose Zoë reflects on stepping back from work that no longer...
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406 How to make see and make use of your end of year reflection
The Future of Leadership
I'm back! After a crazy half year of transition, adventure, and being in the murky mess of a 'chrysalis' experience, I've surfaced for some insights for you to wrap up 2025. Here's what's up for you: A process for reflection that uses visual representation of your last twelve months A reflective practice that will surface insights for next year How to make use of these insights in a practical way. My own updates: Travel, adventure, heartbreak, moving house: it's the bitter sweetnes of not yet and not anymore. Enjoy! Zoë
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405 Leading Through Difference: Practical Tools for Inclusive Teams with Kelli Lester
The Future of Leadership
We explore the future of inclusive leadership with Kelli Lester, co-founder of Onyx Rising. Zoë opens with reflections on ageing, robotics in aged care, and the value of connection. And introduces Kelli, who shares insight on navigating today’s polarised workplace and equipping leaders for diverse, resilient teams. Kelli unpacks the backlash against DEI programs, reframing them as essential business strategies rather than politically charged mandates. She explores how organisations can move beyond performative initiatives by anchoring their diversity efforts in clear objectives—be it...
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404 Futurist Thinking at Work: Regenerating Teams from the Inside Out with Donna Dupont
The Future of Leadership
We explore the power of systems thinking and strategic foresight with futurist Donna Dupont, as we challenge assumptions about leadership, innovation, and our collective future. Zoë shares an exciting update on her new book Power Games launching on Kickstarter, and we dive into the emerging vision of a moon-based data centre and what it means for the future of digital infrastructure. In this episode, Donna brings clarity to the often-misunderstood world of foresight work. She breaks down how mapping complexity, anticipatory thinking, and systems framing can shift the way leaders respond to...
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403 Organisational Design and the Future of Work with Susannah Robinson
The Future of Leadership
We explore the vital intersection of organisational design, leadership culture, and power dynamics with special guest Susannah Robinson, author of Beyond the Boxes and Lines. Zoë kicks off the episode with exciting updates on the Power Games Kickstarter campaign and a groundbreaking Planet Human segment on brain-computer interfaces that enable near real-time speech interpretation for paralysed individuals. Then we dive into the conversation with Susannah, who brings over 30 years of HR and organisational design experience. She shares practical frameworks for rethinking job roles, enhancing...
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402 Utopian Concepts and Entrepreneurial Writing with Elle Griffin
The Future of Leadership
We explore the future of ownership, wealth, and rewriting the rules of capitalism with Elle Griffin, founder of The Elysian and author of the upcoming book We Should Own the Economy. Zoë shares updates on her recent bushwalking adventure and the exciting Kickstarter launch for her new book Power Games. Then, she welcomes Elle, a visionary writer reshaping the conversation on who truly benefits from economic systems. Elle shares her journey from journalist to entrepreneurial writer, how she built multiple revenue streams on Substack, and why she believes ownership—not employment—is the...
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401 What's Your Fight Language with Lena Morgan
The Future of Leadership
We explore the future of communication through the lens of conflict, with Lena Morgan, former midwife turned conflict resolution specialist. Zoë shares updates from Planet Human, reflecting on the scathing insights from the Edelman Trust Barometer and her return from the Australian Alpine Walking Track. The Kickstarter for her latest book, Power Games, is on the horizon. Then we welcome Lena Morgan, creator of The Fight Languages. Lena unpacks how understanding our instinctive conflict responses can turn tension into connection. Drawing on her experience in high-stress environments, she...
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Episode 400: Leadership Lessons from Nine Years of Podcast Interviews
The Future of Leadership
In this milestone 400th episode, I reflect on nine years of podcasting and the extraordinary leadership lessons I’ve gathered along the way. I explore the show's enduring themes—wise leadership, effective teamwork, and self-mastery—and celebrate the voices that have challenged and expanded my thinking. I revisit pivotal interviews, including a profoundly perspective-shifting conversation with non-binary advocate Yenn Purkis, and highlight standout episodes across three categories: moving stories, practical leadership tools, and game-changing insights. From ultra-endurance athlete Laura...
info_outlineWe explore the future of ownership, wealth, and rewriting the rules of capitalism with Elle Griffin, founder of The Elysian and author of the upcoming book We Should Own the Economy. Zoë shares updates on her recent bushwalking adventure and the exciting Kickstarter launch for her new book Power Games. Then, she welcomes Elle, a visionary writer reshaping the conversation on who truly benefits from economic systems.
Elle shares her journey from journalist to entrepreneurial writer, how she built multiple revenue streams on Substack, and why she believes ownership—not employment—is the real source of power. We unpack the risks and rewards of decentralising ownership, how employee-owned companies could transform wealth distribution, and what fiction can do to help us imagine better futures. This conversation dives deep into economic systems, leadership identity, and why utopian thinking is more urgent than ever.
SHOWNOTES are here:
https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/utopian-concepts
Planet Human:
China enters the era of flying taxis with certified passenger drones.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1jojjqq/china_has_officially_entered_the_era_of_flying
Kickstarter Campaign:
Power Games: Stop Toxic Power in the Workplace – Live now on Kickstarter!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zoerouth/power-games-stop-toxic-power-in-the-workplace
Key Quotes:
“Ownership is power. If you own a business, you hold the levers of wealth creation.” - Elle Griffin
“We need stories that give us hope, not just warn us of collapse.” - Elle Griffin
“Leadership requires humility and curiosity—the antidote to hubris and manipulation.” - Zoë Routh
Questions Asked:
- What inspired Elle to move from journalism to entrepreneurial writing?
- How do employee-owned companies shift the wealth equation?
- Why are we so drawn to dystopian narratives, and what role does fiction play in shaping the future?
- What are the practical steps to decentralise power and create more economic inclusion?
Take Action:
- Reflect on your own business or organisation: Who holds the power, and who shares in the rewards?
- Explore models of employee ownership or equity participation as part of your leadership strategy.
- Join conversations that imagine better futures—whether in your workplace or your community.
Tip of the Week:
Start your own Future of Work conversation with your team:
-What could a more equitable and collaborative model look like for us?
-How might we experiment with shared ownership, decision-making, or profit-sharing in small ways today?
Key Moments:
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:20 Flying Taxis in China
00:55 Bush Walk Adventures
01:53 Power Games Book Launch
03:06 Collaboration Challenges
07:37 Interview with Elle Griffin
09:16 Elle Griffin's Writing Journey
15:00 The Future of Capitalism
31:18 The Role of Influence in Politics and Wealth
32:24 Addressing Wealth Inequality
33:34 Employee Ownership and Regulatory Hurdles
38:13 Power Dynamics in Decentralized Systems
42:12 Fast Three: Quickfire Questions
43:56 Utopian vs. Dystopian Visions
51:04 Innovative Book Publishing Model
54:26 Book Recommendations and Closing Remarks