Episode 400: Leadership Lessons from Nine Years of Podcast Interviews
Release Date: 04/27/2025
408: Leadership at the Edge of Humanity: AI, Mars, and Moral Choice
The Future of Leadership
In this episode of The Future of Leadership, host Zoë Routh reflects on the idea of place, how where we are shapes who we become, prompted by Australia Day and the launch of Olympus Dawn, the final book in her Gaia series. Go to the Kickstarter campaign here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zoerouth/olympus-dawn-the-complete-gaia-series-finale Zoë is joined by Richard Anderson, a microbiologist and science-fiction author whose work sits at the intersection of evolution, ethics, and humanity’s future beyond Earth. Richard shares his journey from writing about the origins of life...
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407: Leadership Transitions: When Success, Identity & Purpose Begin to Shift
The Future of Leadership
Leadership change isn’t always loud. Sometimes it’s quiet, disorienting, and deeply personal. In this episode, Zoë Routh returns to the podcast after a six-month break to explore what she calls The Chrysalis Concept, a leadership transition phase where old identities dissolve before new ones take shape. This conversation is for leaders navigating: -career transitions later in life -burnout after success -identity shifts beyond titles and roles -uncertainty about “what’s next” -redefining retirement, contribution, and purpose Zoë reflects on stepping back from work that no longer...
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406 How to make see and make use of your end of year reflection
The Future of Leadership
I'm back! After a crazy half year of transition, adventure, and being in the murky mess of a 'chrysalis' experience, I've surfaced for some insights for you to wrap up 2025. Here's what's up for you: A process for reflection that uses visual representation of your last twelve months A reflective practice that will surface insights for next year How to make use of these insights in a practical way. My own updates: Travel, adventure, heartbreak, moving house: it's the bitter sweetnes of not yet and not anymore. Enjoy! Zoë
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405 Leading Through Difference: Practical Tools for Inclusive Teams with Kelli Lester
The Future of Leadership
We explore the future of inclusive leadership with Kelli Lester, co-founder of Onyx Rising. Zoë opens with reflections on ageing, robotics in aged care, and the value of connection. And introduces Kelli, who shares insight on navigating today’s polarised workplace and equipping leaders for diverse, resilient teams. Kelli unpacks the backlash against DEI programs, reframing them as essential business strategies rather than politically charged mandates. She explores how organisations can move beyond performative initiatives by anchoring their diversity efforts in clear objectives—be it...
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404 Futurist Thinking at Work: Regenerating Teams from the Inside Out with Donna Dupont
The Future of Leadership
We explore the power of systems thinking and strategic foresight with futurist Donna Dupont, as we challenge assumptions about leadership, innovation, and our collective future. Zoë shares an exciting update on her new book Power Games launching on Kickstarter, and we dive into the emerging vision of a moon-based data centre and what it means for the future of digital infrastructure. In this episode, Donna brings clarity to the often-misunderstood world of foresight work. She breaks down how mapping complexity, anticipatory thinking, and systems framing can shift the way leaders respond to...
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403 Organisational Design and the Future of Work with Susannah Robinson
The Future of Leadership
We explore the vital intersection of organisational design, leadership culture, and power dynamics with special guest Susannah Robinson, author of Beyond the Boxes and Lines. Zoë kicks off the episode with exciting updates on the Power Games Kickstarter campaign and a groundbreaking Planet Human segment on brain-computer interfaces that enable near real-time speech interpretation for paralysed individuals. Then we dive into the conversation with Susannah, who brings over 30 years of HR and organisational design experience. She shares practical frameworks for rethinking job roles, enhancing...
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402 Utopian Concepts and Entrepreneurial Writing with Elle Griffin
The Future of Leadership
We explore the future of ownership, wealth, and rewriting the rules of capitalism with Elle Griffin, founder of The Elysian and author of the upcoming book We Should Own the Economy. Zoë shares updates on her recent bushwalking adventure and the exciting Kickstarter launch for her new book Power Games. Then, she welcomes Elle, a visionary writer reshaping the conversation on who truly benefits from economic systems. Elle shares her journey from journalist to entrepreneurial writer, how she built multiple revenue streams on Substack, and why she believes ownership—not employment—is the...
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401 What's Your Fight Language with Lena Morgan
The Future of Leadership
We explore the future of communication through the lens of conflict, with Lena Morgan, former midwife turned conflict resolution specialist. Zoë shares updates from Planet Human, reflecting on the scathing insights from the Edelman Trust Barometer and her return from the Australian Alpine Walking Track. The Kickstarter for her latest book, Power Games, is on the horizon. Then we welcome Lena Morgan, creator of The Fight Languages. Lena unpacks how understanding our instinctive conflict responses can turn tension into connection. Drawing on her experience in high-stress environments, she...
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Episode 400: Leadership Lessons from Nine Years of Podcast Interviews
The Future of Leadership
In this milestone 400th episode, I reflect on nine years of podcasting and the extraordinary leadership lessons I’ve gathered along the way. I explore the show's enduring themes—wise leadership, effective teamwork, and self-mastery—and celebrate the voices that have challenged and expanded my thinking. I revisit pivotal interviews, including a profoundly perspective-shifting conversation with non-binary advocate Yenn Purkis, and highlight standout episodes across three categories: moving stories, practical leadership tools, and game-changing insights. From ultra-endurance athlete Laura...
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399 Holocaust, Racism and Kindness in Humans - a personal story with Dr. Robert Wolf
The Future of Leadership
We explore the courage to confront tyranny and the roots of empathy through personal legacy and historical insight. Zoë shares reflections on billionaire-owned media and the future of truth-seeking in journalism, and updates us on her Australian Alpine walking track adventure and upcoming Kickstarter for Power Games. Then, we welcome Dr. Robert Wolf, author of Not a Real Enemy, a gripping biography of his father’s extraordinary journey through Nazi and Communist Hungary. Rob shares the harrowing yet hopeful story of his father’s four-time escape from tyranny, how he rebuilt his life as a...
info_outlineIn this milestone 400th episode, I reflect on nine years of podcasting and the extraordinary leadership lessons I’ve gathered along the way. I explore the show's enduring themes—wise leadership, effective teamwork, and self-mastery—and celebrate the voices that have challenged and expanded my thinking.
I revisit pivotal interviews, including a profoundly perspective-shifting conversation with non-binary advocate Yenn Purkis, and highlight standout episodes across three categories: moving stories, practical leadership tools, and game-changing insights.
From ultra-endurance athlete Laura Marshall to leadership futurists like James Surwillo and Brett King, each guest has added a unique thread to this rich tapestry of leadership wisdom.
🎧 In this episode, you'll also hear:
-My reflections on how I’ve grown since launching the show back in 2016
-A heartfelt thank you to the long-standing listeners and clients who have sustained this podcast journey
-Five distilled takeaways from 400 episodes, including the enduring truth that leadership is still hard—and you matter.
KEY MOMENTS:
00:00 Introduction and Personal Reflections
04:24 Themes of the Podcast
04:54 Diversity and Eye-Opening Interviews
06:34 Highlighting Standout Episodes
07:35 Practical and Useful Interviews
08:10 Celebrating Notable Stories
🎙️ Honour Roll – Good Stories
Ep. 86 – Laura Marshall: Enduroman Arch to Arc
https://zoerouth.short.gy/vixP29
Ep. 173 – Rachel Robertson: Leadership in Antarctica
https://zoerouth.short.gy/NQx0Yx
Ep. 209 – Jordan Kibukamusoke: Gen Y Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/11xapl
Ep. 312 – Iman Kibukamusoke: Gen Z Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/tKdJAM
Ep. 226 – Jeff Korzenik: Second Chance Hiring
https://zoerouth.short.gy/wm5wpT
Ep. 283 – Manley Hopkinson: Sailing into the Hurricane
https://zoerouth.short.gy/Hia9lH
Ep. 362 – Paul Glover: From Incarceration to Legacy
https://zoerouth.short.gy/YhrZNG
Ep. 385 – John Graham: Good Samaritan Homes
https://zoerouth.short.gy/OL28lI
💡 Game-Changing Conversations
Ep. 119 – James Surwillo: Metamodern Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/Emu9FV
Ep. 175 – Dr Alan Watkins: Integrative Decision-Making
https://zoerouth.short.gy/BJlP3Y
Ep. 199 – Ginny Whitelaw: Embodied Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/NI38Xu
Ep. 207 – Liz Wiseman: Multipliers and Accidental Diminishers
https://zoerouth.short.gy/LhqG72
Ep. 224 – Carol Sanford: Regenerative Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/L7qJ9T
Ep. 225 – Brian Emerson: Polarity Thinking
https://zoerouth.short.gy/5IweFp
Ep. 235 – Buster Benson: Productive Disagreement
https://zoerouth.short.gy/SzdsML
Ep. 307 – Samantha Slade: Horizontal Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/GHgWBb
Ep. 308 – Brett King: Technosocialism and the Future
https://zoerouth.short.gy/VDgm5L
Ep. 359 – Dr Mike Rucker: Redefining Fun in Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/rZzM5L
Ep. 45 - Dr. Maja Stanojevic-Andre - How To Develop Leadership Maturity
https://zoerouth.short.gy/jlVcrR
📚 Favourite Book Reviews
Ep. 67 – The Listening Society by Hansi Freinacht
https://zoerouth.short.gy/tZ93Tn
Ep. 89 – Joyful by Ingrid Fetell Lee
https://zoerouth.short.gy/dhyIvK
🔧 Practical and Useful Tools
Ep. 42 & 104 – Alessandra Edwards: Executive Health
https://zoerouth.short.gy/bLVfqB
https://zoerouth.short.gy/8MLPMt
Ep. 34 – Stacey Barr: KPIs that Work
https://zoerouth.short.gy/ELRauv
Ep. 256 – George Karseras: Build Better Teams
https://zoerouth.short.gy/EzdkLb
Ep. 295 – Rachel Audigé: Busting Bias
https://zoerouth.short.gy/UQ3Nsq
Ep. 322 – Laura Fredricks: The Art of the Hard Ask
https://zoerouth.short.gy/XKHtzQ
Ep. 348 – Dr Ann Kowal Smith: The Power of Fiction
https://zoerouth.short.gy/uIrchg
Ep. 140 – Charlene Li: Disruption Archetypes
https://zoerouth.short.gy/iv393Z
Ep. 31, 84, 345 – Dermot Crowley: Productivity Mastery
https://zoerouth.short.gy/oTjnEA
https://zoerouth.short.gy/7Hla8V
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Ep. 254, 323 – Donna McGeorge: Simplifying Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/i7Nxd4
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Ep. 39 – Simon Dowling: Collaborative Style
https://zoerouth.short.gy/pOgvcc
Ep. 138 – Colin Ellis: Culture is Leadership
https://zoerouth.short.gy/MpR8br
Ep. 141 – Digby Scott: Changemaker Mindset
https://zoerouth.short.gy/f5tErY
Ep. 228, 367 – Mark Butler: Preventing Burnout
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Ep. 311, 377 – Rohit Bhargava: Future Trends
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https://zoerouth.short.gy/NrnXjH
🎧 Top 3 Most-Listened To
Ep. 234 & 328 – Peter Scott: Courage and Failure
https://zoerouth.short.gy/3Asvtr
https://zoerouth.short.gy/Twfant
Ep. 232 – Susie Walford: Happy Team Principles
https://zoerouth.short.gy/8jZ6b1
Ep. 271 – Larapinta Trail: Fear, Conflict and Leadership