Still Figuring It Out

with Emily & Marc. After doing life, family, and business together for thirty years, we are still figuring it out. Both fiercely independent first borns, we are committed to continuing to grow and try new things in our entrepreneurial adventures.

SFIO 312 - Side Quests and Story Arcs - Season 3 Review 12/17/2025

SFIO 312 - Side Quests and Story Arcs - Season 3 Review 📋 Episode Summary In this warm and reflective season finale, Marc and Emily close out Season 3 by looking back at the conversations, surprises, and throughlines that emerged. From getting their first live Christmas tree in two decades to reflecting on the grief and growth that shaped their year, they offer a candid behind-the-scenes look at how the season unfolded. They talk about the intention behind creating a story arc, the joy of unexpected episodes, and how Concord Leadership Group is more than just a name—it’s a shared vision of harmony and wholehearted leadership. Plus, they preview hopes (and side quests!) for Season 4 and 2026. 🔑 Key Takeaways Most podcasts don’t make it past 3 or 20 episodes—finishing Season 3 is a milestone worth celebrating. Conversations around grief, transition, and rest shaped this season in unseen but powerful ways. Planned arcs are great—but spontaneous questions often spark the best episodes. “Concord” means harmony—and that resonance is core to their life and leadership work. 2026 will bring themes of legacy, hardwiring, coaching, and living into one’s vision. Leaders don’t need to bottle hope—they need space to be seen and grow at their own pace. 🗣 Quote Highlights “This season was not a color I could name—and not a sock yarn pattern either. But there were threads that came through.” – Emily “We’ve never been answer holders. We say, ‘Here’s my understanding—tell me what you think.’” – Emily “Don’t keep digging up the seed. It’s part of the process.” – Marc “Perfectly imperfect—that’s us.” – Emily “The shortest way is often the long way.” – Marc “We get to be part of a vision. A wholehearted approach to life.” – Emily “May there be light and color, and comfort and joy.” – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions 📚 Legendborn & Bloodmarked by Tracy Deonn 🌲 Live Christmas tree (first in 20+ years... with cats!) 🧶 Yarn metaphors: solid, variegated, sock yarn 💻 ConcordLeadershipGroup.com & Emily’s blog post on “Concord” 📰 Jeff Gibbard’s Infinite Impact Newsletter 🧭 Coaching conversations around values, legacy, and intentional leadership 🧠 Magnetized 2026 cohort—ongoing growth and goal setting 👥 Who Should Listen Longtime fans who want a wrap-up and peek behind the scenes Leaders navigating grief, life transitions, or legacy work Coaches, founders, and partners building a vision together Listeners who value curiosity, humility, and meaningful conversation Anyone looking for a reminder that they’re not alone—and still figuring it out, too 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/39294940

SFIO 311 - Rest, Recovery, and the Quiet Work of Healing 12/10/2025

SFIO 311 - Rest, Recovery, and the Quiet Work of Healing 📋 Episode Summary In this thoughtful conversation, Marc and Emily reflect on the deeper dimensions of rest—not just as sleep or downtime, but as intentional recovery, play, and emotional repair. They share how this past year of travel, loss, and transition reshaped their understanding of what it means to truly rest. From the importance of daily routines to the power of letting go of urgency, they invite listeners to reconsider their own rhythms and how grief, joy, and presence all play into real restoration. With humor and candor, they explore how play can be a portal to healing, how sabbath practices protect against burnout, and how sometimes the best productivity tool is a jigsaw puzzle. 🔑 Key Takeaways Rest isn’t just sleep—it's emotional, physical, and psychological recovery. Play is restorative, especially when it’s free from deadlines or expectations. Self-employment blurs work/rest boundaries—intentional sabbath rhythms help. Grief and loss require more recovery than we often acknowledge. Daily rituals (walks, puzzles, Switch games) offer a foundation for renewal. Patience and reserves are essential leadership postures for 2026 and beyond. 🗣 Quote Highlights “There’s something about this season that says both ramp up and slow down at the same time.” – Emily “Rest isn't just sleep. I had plenty of hours last night, but I had neither sleep nor rest.” – Emily “My job is not to worry about revenue on Sabbath. Worry will have to wait.” – Marc “The jigsaw puzzle lets me focus and still be part of the room.” – Marc “Play pulled me into rest. I didn’t realize how important that was until I missed it.” – Emily “Reserves.” – Marc (on his 2026 word for rest and renewal) “Patience—with a ‘C,’ not a ‘T.’” – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions 🧩 Jigsaw puzzles as a focus-friendly play tool 🎮 Nintendo Switch & Skyrim as relaxing escapes 🎥 Movie theater as monthly immersive rest ritual 📖 “How to Judge Beer Like a Pro” by Marty Nachel 🕯️ Sabbath as a framework for rest: sundown-to-sundown tradition 💬 Reference to Lark Rise to Candleford: “This is my one weakness.” 🧠 Talk of grief recovery and the weight of unprocessed emotions 👥 Who Should Listen Self-employed leaders and entrepreneurs who struggle to “turn off” Coaches and therapists navigating grief, transition, or burnout Anyone feeling the tension between productivity and presence Listeners wrestling with their own rest rhythms or end-of-year overwhelm People who want to restore play, stillness, and rituals of renewal to their life 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/39258325

SFIO 310 - 90-Day Goal Planning - Celebrating Wins Without Falling Off a Cliff 12/03/2025

SFIO 310 - 90-Day Goal Planning - Celebrating Wins Without Falling Off a Cliff 📋 Episode Summary In this spontaneous episode, Emily surprises Marc with a question about 90-day goal planning. What unfolds is a layered conversation about timelines, personal wiring, vision vs. focus, and the often overlooked practice of celebrating accomplishments. Together, they explore how goal setting and pacing intersect with neurodivergence, business rhythms, and the real-life complexity of working toward big things while juggling many. They challenge productivity myths, question quarter-based planning, and offer a more compassionate, flexible model for building momentum—one that honors both milestones and maintenance. 🔑 Key Takeaways 90-day plans can create urgency and traction—but they’re not one-size-fits-all. Parallel goals (maintenance + growth) help prevent a “goal cliff” when one big milestone is reached. Celebrating accomplishments is just as vital as achieving them. Knowing what comes after a goal helps sustain momentum. Not all goals are linear or tidy—life often requires juggling priorities, not sequential steps. Vision can be zoomed in or out, like turning the dial on a microscope. 🗣 Quote Highlights “Whenever I go to my favorite stationery store... I feel like I’m at the candy counter again.” – Emily “If a goal doesn’t have a ‘what’s next,’ it’s a cliff.” – Emily “I can see it will eventually come together—I’ve had to work on what I’m doing today to make that happen.” – Marc “There’s something to the revisiting, to knowing what’s next. A goal without a step to step onto is a drop-off.” – Emily “Celebrating the accomplishment, not just resetting the horizon, matters too.” – Marc “Some people stop when they’re winning. But maybe there’s momentum that could carry them further.” – Marc “I think the 90-day takeaway is that we can set a goal and zoom in and out on it, like twisting a microscope lens.” – Emily “What will doing this in the next two weeks allow you to do in the next two months?” – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions 📖 Every Man Dies Alone by Hans Fallada 🧁 Penny candy, stationery pens, and Swedish Fish nostalgia 🧠 EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System), Big Rocks, and Quarterly Goals 🛠️ CRM goals, coaching goals, and parallel goal structures 💬 “Begin with the end in mind” and “history of the future” frameworks 📊 Coaching tip: always help clients define what’s next after the goal 👥 Who Should Listen Coaches and consultants navigating goal structures with clients Entrepreneurs wrestling with time horizons and traction People who struggle to revisit or reframe their goals Listeners looking for a more personalized alternative to rigid productivity frameworks Anyone learning to set big goals and celebrate the small wins 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/39167920

SFIO 309 - Holidays, Pausing, and Flexing with the Seasons 11/26/2025

SFIO 309 - Holidays, Pausing, and Flexing with the Seasons 📋 Episode Summary In this episode of Still Figuring It Out, Marc and Emily Pitman reflect on how the holidays have shifted over the years—from childhood traditions to parenting young adults, and from being nonprofit staff with year-end intensity to running a coaching practice with more margin. They discuss how working from home affects their ability to truly pause, how their values show up in how they decorate and celebrate, and how they now approach holidays with more intentionality, spaciousness, and flexibility. It’s a conversation about embracing change, honoring rest, and refocusing on what matters most as the seasons (and family structures) evolve. 🔑 Key Takeaways Holiday traditions evolve—and that's okay. Being self-employed means intentionally creating boundaries around rest. Decorating the home can be an act of meaning-making, not just aesthetics. The end-of-year season is an opportunity for recalibration and imagination. Quietness, reflection, and margin are gifts we can give ourselves. 🗣 Quote Highlights “I really want a cookie.” – Emily “Being self-employed, you can always be working.” – Marc “Setting space, setting home, fixing our attention and affection on each other in such a way that in the dark months, we are refilling ourselves.” – Emily “There’s less friction when you just sit back for a minute and look at the horizon.” – Emily “Growing up, we had a lot of traditions. Some of them changed every year, which is kind of hilarious.” – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions Gordon Lightfoot’s Don Quixote album The “balcony moment” leadership metaphor (from Ron Heifetz and Marty Linsky) Stephen Covey’s Quadrant II framework South Carolina State Parks 👥 Who Should Listen Parents navigating changing holiday traditions Coaches and entrepreneurs working from home Nonprofit professionals trying to reclaim year-end joy Anyone feeling the pressure—or the permission—of the holiday season Listeners needing a gentle reminder to pause and recalibrate 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/39157580

SFIO 308 - When to Get Help (and When Not To) 11/19/2025

SFIO 308 - When to Get Help (and When Not To) 📋 Episode Summary Marc and Emily explore the nuanced and personal decision of when (and whether) to get help—whether that’s in business, around the house, or in life. From their early years of hiring vacuuming help as new parents to their experiments with cleaning services, virtual assistants, and administrative support, they reflect on how each decision is shaped by values, seasons of life, and evolving clarity. They share candid lessons learned about identity, strengths, outsourcing too soon, and the surprising ways “help” can either support or strip away joy. 🔑 Key Takeaways Getting help is not always about saving time—it can also disrupt your rhythm or remove something meaningful. Business owners should learn core skills (like bookkeeping or CRM) before outsourcing—but not forever. Delegation is more effective when you define what “done” looks like and document the process. Knowing the why behind seeking help—whether it’s to free up creativity, maintain peace, or ensure professional integrity—is critical. It’s all seasonal: the right help at one time might be the wrong help later. Hiring help doesn’t always mean hiring employees—contractor models offer flexibility and values alignment. Pricing your time properly helps reveal when it’s “too expensive” to keep doing certain tasks yourself. 🗣 Quote Highlights “Cleaning the house settles my brain. I didn’t realize how much I missed that.” - Emily “It’s not hard, it’s just new.” - Marc (quoting Nicole Cramer) “We treat our clients and prospects as partners—not annoyances.” - Marc “Knowing your limits allows other people to flourish.” - Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions 📚 You’re a Badass at Making Money by Jen Sincero 📚 Imagination: A Manifesto by Ruha Benjamin 🛠️ Loom (for documenting processes via screen recording) 💡 Tip: Use “definition of done” language from Agile/Scrum when delegating 🤖 CRM Tools: Infusionsoft / Keap → Zoho CRM with SpeakerFlow 🧾 Outsourcing bookkeeping, CRM, VAs 🧠 StrengthsFinder: Learner strength as both superpower and trap 👥 Who Should Listen Founders, freelancers, and business owners feeling overwhelmed but unsure what help to get Coaches and creatives struggling with what to delegate—and when Anyone who’s ever hired help and felt like “it didn’t actually help” Partners in business or life considering how to divide work and protect joy Listeners interested in building teams, documenting processes, or making values-aligned decisions about growth 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Mereno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/39010865

SFIO 307 - Align and Accelerate: Fundraising with Heart with Chris Baiocchi 11/12/2025

SFIO 307 - Align and Accelerate: Fundraising with Heart with Chris Baiocchi 📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Emily and Marc sit down with fundraising consultant and bow tie enthusiast Chris Baiocchi to explore how a career rooted in journalism led to a calling in philanthropy. Chris shares candidly about the leap from nonprofit staff to self-employed consultant, and what it’s taken to redefine success, stability, and service in his work. They unpack the nuances of donor relationships, alignment, and the importance of momentum—and toss in a few great sci-fi references for good measure. 🔑 Key Takeaways Fundraising is about alignment—doing the right things in the right direction. Donor relationships take time, just like all meaningful relationships. There’s no such thing as true job stability in nonprofits—only consistency. Consultants need to shift from “here’s what I do” to “here’s what we’ll achieve together.” Invite people into your mission like you’re inviting them to a party they’ll love. 🗣 Quote Highlights “What I thought was stability was really just consistency.” – Chris “You can study swimming all you want, but at some point, you have to get in the water.” – Chris “Fundraising is the fuel that drives your mission.” – Chris “There’s a threshold moment when organizations stop scraping by and start growing on purpose.” – Emily “Let’s stop talking about deliverables. Let’s talk about transformation.” – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions The Compass Within by Robert Glazer Bartender Between Worlds (light fantasy novel) Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Firefly Scrappy fundraising mindsets: “Golf, Grant, and Gala” “Threshold moments” in mythology and leadership LinkedIn: Chris Baiocchi (look for the bow tie!) 👥 Who Should Listen Nonprofit leaders considering the leap to consulting Fundraisers tired of the “spray and pray” approach Consultants learning to talk about outcomes Board members who want to help—but don’t know how Anyone figuring out how to build a business with heart 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/38914750

SFIO306 - Goal-setting: Pressure, Play, and Permission 11/05/2025

SFIO306 - Goal-setting: Pressure, Play, and Permission 📋 Episode SummaryMarc and Emily take on their favorite recurring theme: goal setting. But this time, they dive deeper into their wildly different upbringings, internal narratives, and current practices around goals—from poker chips and chore lists to Scrum boards and morning routines. They explore why goals can feel like punishment for some and purpose for others, and how they’ve each shifted their relationship to goals in ways that feel more personal, flexible, and free. This episode offers an honest, layered conversation that blends coaching insight with lived experience—and a few laughs about spilled coffee and Sam Adams. 🔑 Key Takeaways Not everyone relates to goals the same way—and that’s okay. The language around goals (e.g. pressure vs. permission) deeply shapes how we engage with them. Habit tracking, data reflection, and redefining "done" can shift goals from punishment to process. Personal history plays a huge role in how we perceive achievement, success, and failure. Coaching is often about reframing—what looks like failure may actually be success in disguise. 🗣 Quote Highlights “I am a recovering goal skeptic.” – Emily “Goal setting is the air I breathe.” – Marc “All I could see was that a goal was going to tell me when I wasn't doing it.” – Emily “So often, they actually did the thing… they just didn’t see it.” – Marc “Now I hate goals… with curiosity.” – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions Centering Prayer by M. Basil Pennington Can I Walk With You? podcast Franklin Planner and Covey Weekly Planner Scrum language: “What does done look like?” Magnetize 2026 (Marc’s goal-setting workbook) Data tools: Apple Watch, habit trackers, food logs Chore rewards, sticker charts, and Thomas the Tank Engine sets Diane Leonard – Scrum Master training The Concord Leadership Group’s mission: helping leaders know they’re not alone and be equipped 👥 Who Should Listen Leaders wrestling with “shoulds” around goals Coaches exploring how to help clients reframe success Anyone triggered by the word “goal” but still seeking growth Parents trying to teach motivation without shame People who love systems—and people who resist them 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/38909535

SFIO 305 - Relationship-Based Sales that Don’t Suck with Andrea Ferry Daniels 10/29/2025

SFIO 305 - Relationship-Based Sales that Don’t Suck with Andrea Ferry Daniels 📋 Episode SummaryAndrea Ferry Daniels joins Emily and Marc for a candid conversation about sales, coaching, and showing up with purpose. As CEO of Rookie to Rainmaker, Andrea shares how she built a six-figure business from a South Jersey apartment, turned her gift for connection into a scalable model, and now helps others build confidence and close deals—with authenticity and heart. They talk about what it means to speak with impact, the power of letting go of familiar goals, and how to keep showing up even while you're still figuring it out. 🔑 Key Takeaways Sales doesn’t have to feel pushy—it can feel like friendship, curiosity, and support. Confidence grows with structure, practice, and letting go of "advice monster" tendencies. Big goals require new decisions—and often a shorter timeline. Authenticity isn’t about being blunt; it’s about being real, relational, and ready to serve. Coaching and speaking both create space for others to see what’s possible in themselves. 🗣 Quote Highlights “I help people make lead generation and sales feel authentic.” – Andrea “Your playing small does not serve the world.” – Emily (quoting Marianne Williamson) “It’s not a script. It’s real people, real words.” – Andrea “When I think of tenacity that inspires—not intimidates—I think of you.” – Emily “The big goal is held hostage by familiar paths to smaller goals.” – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions Exactly What to Say by Phil M. Jones Rookie to Rainmaker (https://rookietorainmaker.com) Myron Golden (YouTube speaker and business coach) A Gathering of Voices – anthology The Busy Body Book Club by Freya Sampson Marianne Williamson quote: “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate...” 👥 Who Should Listen Entrepreneurs and solopreneurs struggling with sales Coaches transitioning from doing to leading Anyone unsure how to “sell” without losing themselves Speakers wondering if they have something worth sharing Listeners chasing big goals—and feeling stuck in small ones 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/38746395

SFIO 304 - Working Together and Playing to Your Biggest Self 10/22/2025

SFIO 304 - Working Together and Playing to Your Biggest Self 📋 Episode Summary In this vulnerable and insightful episode, Marc and Emily open up about the evolution of their working relationship—and how their personal growth has shaped their professional path. They reflect on what it’s meant to co-create a life and a business, especially as Emily stepped more visibly into roles of leadership, coaching, and authorship. From sacred cows and shared systems to spontaneous pivots and solo retreats, this episode explores what it really takes to work together as equals—when the brand once felt like an extension of just one person, and when your growth challenges each other’s assumptions in all the best ways. 🔑 Key Takeaways Shared vision doesn't mean shared roles—clarity around voice, value, and contribution is essential. Conflict can be fruitful when grounded in mutual respect and a shared mission. Building something together often brings invisible roles and sacred assumptions to the surface. There’s power in owning your growth, even (especially) when it disrupts the status quo. Play, solitude, and reflection all fuel the partnership—together and apart. 🗣 Quote Highlights “I’ve heard him say for 30 years that I’m brilliant—but I’m just now catching up.” – Emily “Sacred cows? We had a whole herd.” – Marc “There’s a difference between making space and sharing space.” – Emily “I want to know I’m getting taller on the inside.” – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions 10x is Easier than 2x by Benjamin Hardy & Dan Sullivan Traction by Gino Wickman (EOS) Kobo e‑readers + Broward County Library digital access The Botanist’s Guide to Poisons and Death (cozy mystery reference) Exactly What to Say Coaching via Sidecar Advisors Dungeons & Dragons Direct sales and fundraising career references Jeffrey Shaw (podcast interview reference) 👥 Who Should Listen Couples considering or navigating working together Business owners learning how to share leadership Coaches shifting into greater visibility and authority Listeners wrestling with personal reinvention Anyone doing inner work while also building something public Did you Hear Emily? 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/38646200

SFIO 303 - Doing Life Side by Side 10/15/2025

SFIO 303 - Doing Life Side by Side 📋 Episode Summary Marc and Emily get candid about what it’s been like to build a life, family, and work in close proximity for more than 30 years. This episode dives into what it means to “work together now,” unpacking the realities of sharing space, parenting, making intentional choices—and growing up alongside each other. From early dreams of connection and community to unromantic but essential rituals (like coffee at 6 a.m. and cereal in low cupboards), they reflect on what’s helped them stick together through different seasons, even when things got messy. Not as advice—just as their story. 🔑 Key Takeaways Living and working together isn’t about doing it “right”—it’s about creating something that works for you. A shared vision of connection and community was the throughline that held Marc and Emily through the hard parts. Rituals (like morning coffee) can be anchors—even if you’re mad with each other. Growth often looks like letting go of what you were taught and figuring out what works in real life. This is a story, not a prescription: fulfillment looks different for everyone. 🗣 Quote Highlights “We’re not holding this up as the way to do life. This is just the lab we built—and we’re psyched it’s working.” – Emily “There were points where we could have become two separate individuals who shared a house.” – Marc “Connection and community were so compelling at the beginning that I couldn’t give up on them.” – Emily “I don’t think my 25-year-old self would recognize who I am now—and that’s a good thing.” – Marc “There’s a lot of garbage advice out there. We had to figure out what worked for us.” – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions Tony Martignetti’s Campfire Summit Dungeons & Dragons Player’s Handbook (Paladin: M’arkhem Stonevaeil!) Stephen Covey’s 7 Habits and Family Mission Statement (with critiques) The “7 on the clock” parenting rule Homemade bagels & muffin phases as connection rituals The phrase: “Liked Best / Next Time” (referenced in prior episodes) 👥 Who Should Listen Couples who live and/or work closely together Listeners questioning cultural “norms” of marriage and family Leaders trying to balance vision with day-to-day reality Anyone navigating long-term partnership and still figuring it out People curious how ritual, humor, and hard conversations shape connection 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/38483385

SFIO 302 - A Bend in the Road: How EWTS Coaching Came to Be 10/08/2025

SFIO 302 - A Bend in the Road: How EWTS Coaching Came to Be 📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Marc and Emily share the behind-the-scenes journey of creating EWTS Coaching—how a yearlong project to help coaches find clients took an unexpected turn, thanks to a conversation with Phil M. Jones. They open up about the founding of Sidecar Advisors, the birth of EWTS Coaching, and the values that guide both ventures. From honoring coaching ethics to building tech infrastructure to supporting 12 phenomenal founding coaches, this episode is a candid look at how big ideas evolve, one bend in the road at a time. 🔑 Key Takeaways Coaching isn't just a service—it's a relationship rooted in drawing out the best in others. Sidecar Advisors was created to steward EWTS Coaching, honoring both the Exactly What to Say brand and ICF standards. The journey wasn’t linear: Marc and Emily thought they were building one thing, but it became something much bigger. Their founding cohort of coaches blends deep ICF training with real-world business savvy. Naming is hard, but integrity, impact, and alignment matter more than short URLs. 🗣 Quote Highlights “You learn leadership by acting, by connecting, by tripping, by standing up.” – Marc “The bend in the road was a whole new company—and a beautiful surprise.” – Emily “Once you start growing in one area of your life, it spills into others.” – Marc “We created Sidecar Advisors so we could come alongside other brands with integrity.” – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions Exactly What to Say by Phil M. Jones Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification (Q3LC) International Coaching Federation (ICF) Sidecar Advisors (business structure behind EWTS Coaching) 👥 Who Should Listen Coaches looking to build community and deepen their practice Fans of Exactly What to Say curious about its coaching arm Entrepreneurs navigating brand expansion or new ventures Leadership professionals curious about coaching ethics and systems Anyone wondering what it looks like to launch something new while still figuring it out 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/38481995

SFIO 301 - Reading, Play, and the Next Bend in the Road 10/01/2025

SFIO 301 - Reading, Play, and the Next Bend in the Road 📋 Episode Summary Marc and Emily kick off Season 3 of Still Figuring It Out with a playful, book‑loving, tech‑nerdy conversation about what’s ahead. They share what they’re reading (Joseph Campbell and Jean Shinoda Bolen), why this year is their “Year of Play,” and how the podcast feels like opening a box of favorite sweaters at the start of a new season. The two reflect on lessons from the past year—including the passing of Marc’s father—and look forward to creating a season that emphasizes conversation and discovery rather than perfection. 🔑 Key Takeaways Life and leadership rarely have a final destination; the path unfolds as you take the next step. Giving yourself permission matters, but so does offering belief and support to others. Technology can be part of playful learning—Marc and Emily share their Kobo e‑reader adventures. Staying curious about each other (and about life) keeps a 31‑year marriage dynamic. Season 3 will focus on conversations and themes more than “getting it right.” 🗣 Quote Highlights “I hope to continue pressing into the mess with playfulness and joy.” – Emily “Confidence isn’t at the starting line—courage is.” – Sabine (via Emily) “Sometimes the picture you had at 25 would be so limiting.” – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions Goddesses in Older Women by Jean Shinoda Bolen The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell Sabine’s LinkedIn post on courage vs. confidence Exactly Where to Start by Phil M. Jones Kobo Libra Colour e‑reader & Calibre library management StoryGraph book‑tracking app 👥 Who Should Listen Longtime listeners curious about what’s ahead in Season 3 People navigating life transitions who want a hopeful, honest take Book lovers and tech tinkerers looking for new tools Coaches and leaders who need a reminder to play and keep learning 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/38392825

SFIO 212 “Debriefing, Dopamine, and the Joy of Gadgets” 07/14/2025

SFIO 212 “Debriefing, Dopamine, and the Joy of Gadgets” 📋 Episode Summary In this season finale, Marc and Emily wrap up Season 2 by doing what they do best: reflecting, learning, and laughing together. The episode centers on a deceptively simple feedback framework they love—LBs and NTs (Liked Bests and Next Times). From the unexpected power of pausing to celebrate progress to the ways this tool has helped them recover from disappointments and find traction when stuck, they explore how intentional reflection can be both practical and healing. They also share favorite gadgets, small joys, and their own LB/NT reflections on the podcast itself. The vibe is cozy, candid, and deeply human—perfect for closing one chapter and looking ahead to the next. 🔑 Key Takeaways “Liked Best / Next Time” is a powerful framework for closing loops, gaining momentum, and making feedback actionable. Ending with “next time” isn’t about focusing on failure—it’s about directing hope. Tools like this work in leadership teams and family dinners. Small joys (like gadgets or Windex!) can be surprising sources of traction and clarity. Feedback culture starts with asking better questions and giving ourselves room to process. 🗣 Quote Highlights “This doesn’t have to live on an open loop. We get to close the tab.” – Marc “Sometimes I need to put teeth into my day to get traction. Even if that’s washing a window.” – Emily “It’s not about being stuck—it’s about what helps us get back in gear.” – Emily “Next times aren’t negative. They’re empowering course corrections.” – Emily “We bring out good things in each other. That’s one of my LBs for sure.” – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions LBs & NTs (Liked Bests / Next Times – no definitive origin, but used widely in coaching, education, and training) Phil M. Jones’ framework “Pluses and Deltas” model for feedback The “WTF” sheet: Where’s The Focus? Untappd beer app MagSafe phone tripod European plug adapters My Big Fat Greek Wedding (Windex!) 👥 Who Should Listen Coaches and facilitators wanting a better way to debrief Leaders building cultures of thoughtful reflection Listeners who enjoy practical wisdom with a side of silliness Families and teams looking for rituals to anchor learning Anyone who’s ever loved a gadget—or gotten stuck and needed a creative nudge 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/37164835

SFIO 211 - “Belonging, Boundaries, and Brain Science” 07/07/2025

SFIO 211 - “Belonging, Boundaries, and Brain Science” 📋 Episode Summary In this thoughtful and energizing conversation, Marc and Emily welcome Dr. Jessica Sharp—organizational psychologist, educator, and champion of belonging. From her travels across the country to her work in Houston and beyond, Jessica is known for making complex topics like unconscious bias, self-leadership, and brain science accessible and engaging. Together, the trio explores the cultural baggage we carry around struggle and ease, what it means to be a grownup (with or without kids), and how boundaries are more than just saying “no.” This is a conversation about leading with love, letting go of outdated patterns, and the everyday power of the pause. 🔑 Key Takeaways Belonging and self-love are foundational to leadership. “Ease” isn't laziness—it's a necessary counterbalance to inevitable life struggles. Leaders often teach what they themselves are still figuring out. Setting boundaries includes pausing to check in with yourself before committing. Silence in conversations can be a powerful tool for reflection and connection. 🗣 Quote Highlights “We're often teaching the thing we need.” – Dr. Jessica Sharp “Boundaries aren't just about saying ‘no’—they're about asking, ‘What do I need right now?’” – Dr. Jessica Sharp “If you're going to tell other people to prioritize themselves, you have to model it too.” – Dr. Jessica Sharp “It’s not the audience’s job to speak my language. It’s my job to make myself understood.” – Dr. Jessica Sharp 🧰 Tools & Mentions The Surprising Gift of Doubt by Marc A. Pitman Brené Brown on facilitator responsibility Junior League & Urban League volunteer leadership Quadrant 3 Leadership “The pause between stimulus and response” from Q3LC Moment detectives & coaching silence 👥 Who Should Listen Coaches and facilitators craving more ease and impact in their work Leaders trying to unlearn productivity guilt Nonprofit professionals looking for meaningful, inclusive engagement Anyone still figuring out how to show up for themselves as much as they do for others 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman: composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki: bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/37284210

SFIO 210 - Adaptable, Curious, Growing: SFIO with Amy Lazoff 07/01/2025

SFIO 210 - Adaptable, Curious, Growing: SFIO with Amy Lazoff Episode Summary (Long) In this episode, Marc and Emily talk with their longtime friend and Q3LC alum, Amy Lazoff, Vice President of Mission at the Fort Wayne Zoo. Amy shares how her role has evolved after ten years at the organization, what she’s still learning in a brand-new leadership chapter, and how her work has shifted toward deeper internal focus and team engagement. They talk about what it means to lead with adaptability and curiosity, why homeostasis is tempting but probably an illusion, and how seemingly small decisions—like where you plant a tree—can shape ecosystems and outcomes for years. The conversation also dives into Amy’s work around accessibility, reintroducing native species (like the hellbender salamander), mentoring young fundraisers, and the joy of discovering poppies in the backyard that weren’t planted on purpose. Whether it’s in the zoo, in coaching, or in parenting teenagers, Amy brings a steady, honest, and growth-minded approach to life and leadership. Key Takeaways Being 10 years into an organization doesn’t mean the learning stops—especially when stepping into a new role. “Homeostasis” sounds appealing, but the most meaningful work happens in change and transition. Designing for accessibility from the start often makes spaces more inclusive for everyone. Letting nature surprise you (even in your backyard) can be a good metaphor for leadership. What you plant—physically or organizationally—matters. So does what you reintroduce. Quote Highlights “Who am I? A work in progress.” – Amy “I think children’s books are just great books with better illustrations.” – Emily “Some of our best universal design decisions were made because we were thinking of our youngest guests.” – Amy “Even after all this time, I love seeing people experience joy here.” – Amy “My dream is to see something cool at the zoo… and just buy a ticket to surprise Amy.” – Marc Resources & Mentions Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer Native plants and accessibility design The Hellbender salamander (native to the Midwest U.S.) USA Today’s Best Zoo Exhibits (Red Panda Bridge) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36631570

SFIO 209 Hardwired: How Knowing Yourself Changes Everything 06/23/2025

SFIO 209 Hardwired: How Knowing Yourself Changes Everything 📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Marc and Emily explore the concept of hardwiring—those patterns, instincts, and tendencies that shape how we show up in life, work, and relationships. From Enneagram types to Gallup Strengths to late-in-life ADHD diagnoses, they reflect on how assessments can help us understand ourselves more clearly—and when labels might actually get in the way. With humor, vulnerability, and a lot of real-life examples, they explore: The usefulness and limitations of personality profiles How deeper self-awareness can reframe past stories What it means to take responsibility without shame How to describe yourself without falling into shorthand labels Why saying "you're just a..." might be the most damaging thing of all Plus, an unexpected movie reference that brings the point home. 🔑 Key Takeaways Hardwiring refers to our natural patterns—our instinctive responses and behavior tendencies. Personality assessments like Enneagram, StrengthsFinder, or DISC can offer language for reflection, but shouldn’t become excuses or cages. Knowing your patterns gives you space to pause, choose your response, and lead with intention. Labels like “just a 9” or “typical 7” can be harmful when used to dismiss or stereotype. Self-awareness is not self-absorption—it’s leadership. 🗣 Quote Highlights “When we understand ourselves, we can see our stories in the light of truth instead of shame.” – Emily “Sometimes peace is great. But it’s not always the goal.” – Emily “Hardwiring is how you show up when you’re not trying.” – Marc “Saying ‘you’re just a…’ turns a helpful tool into a weapon.” – Marc “My curiosity wants me to learn. It’s one of my Gallup strengths—another assessment!” – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions CliftonStrengths (Gallup) Mr. Magorium’s Wonder Emporium (Film reference – Jason Bateman as “the mutant”) Co-Active Leadership by Karen and Henry Kimsey-House 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing, mixing, mastering, guitar; Caleb Pitman: composing, mixing, trumpet; Zoe Czarnecki: bass. /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36853835

SFIO 208 - Still Figuring Out What Leadership Really Means with Thu Hue Nguyen 06/17/2025

SFIO 208 - Still Figuring Out What Leadership Really Means with Thu Hue Nguyen 📋 Episode Summary In this powerful episode, Marc and Emily sit down with Thu Hue Nguyen, a nonprofit founder, Obama Fellow, and leadership coach based in Hanoi, Vietnam. Together they explore the realities of leading through challenge, the evolution from founder to coach, and why investing in leadership development is essential—especially in resource-scarce sectors. Thu Hue shares how she transitioned from law into ocean and fisheries work, and how crisis moments taught her that leadership is not innate—it can be learned. With refreshing honesty, she talks about learning to let go, inspire others, and coach teams instead of simply managing them. This episode is rich with insights for leaders, founders, and coaches who are navigating transition or asking, "Am I doing this right?" Spoiler: if you’re asking, you’re probably on the right track. 🔑 Key Takeaways Leadership isn’t born—it’s built, often through challenges and reflection. Coaching helps leaders shift from control to empowerment. Founders often struggle to ask for help—but that’s when true leadership growth begins. Leadership development is worth investing in, even when resources feel tight. Great leaders create space for others, offer clear direction, and stay connected to vision and mission. 🗣 Quote Highlights “You learn leadership by being in motion—by tripping and standing back up.” – Marc “When people leave, we often realize we should’ve had that conversation a month ago.” – Thu Hue “Founders lead down and up. If no one’s pulling them up, the system breaks.” – Marc 🌍 About the Guest Thu Hue Nguyen is a Vietnamese social entrepreneur and nonprofit leader dedicated to sustainable development in coastal communities. She has served on numerous boards, supports fisheries and fisherpeople, and is an alum of the prestigious Obama Foundation Fellowship. She’s also a certified leadership coach through the Quadrant 3 framework. 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing, mixing, mastering, guitar; Caleb Pitman: composing, mixing, trumpet; Zoe Czarnecki: bass. /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36791120

SFIO 207-Story, Identity, and 30 Years Together 06/10/2025

SFIO 207-Story, Identity, and 30 Years Together 📋 Episode Summary (Long) In this episode, recorded on their anniversary, Marc and Emily reflect on 30 years of marriage—and use it as a lens to explore the role of story and identity in leadership, coaching, and everyday life. They revisit their shared love of children’s books, read-alouds during 2 a.m. nursing sessions, and the way stories have always been a thread in their family, work, and lives. From The Giving Tree to Anne of Green Gables, storytelling was how they passed on values, built imagination, and created connection. The conversation moves into coaching and leadership development, exploring why so many people—especially leaders—discredit or downplay their own stories. They share practical insights about helping clients recognize the narratives they repeat (both helpful and limiting), and how stories become mirrors for values and identity. This episode also includes a reflection on where they’ve been and where they’re going next. From international travel that didn’t happen to the possibility of RV adventures ahead, Marc and Emily keep it honest, reflective, and lighthearted. Whether you’re celebrating an anniversary of your own or simply thinking about how your story shapes your path, this one is full of warm wisdom. 🔑 Key Takeaways Stories shape identity—and that’s true for individuals, families, and organizations. We often undervalue our own stories because we’re too close to them. Leadership coaching can help surface patterns and narratives clients may not even realize they’re repeating. There’s power in asking, “Is this story still serving me—or my team?” Permission to share your story is sometimes the most transformational part of coaching. 🗣 Quote Highlights “It’s just my life. It’s not my identity.” – Emily “Story is how we wire the brain—and how we invite others to understand us.” – Marc “One of the most important things we do in coaching is help people recognize the stories they’re living in.” – Emily “We’ve said yes to almost every adventure.” – Emily “I’d rather say I’m sorry than spend a lifetime asking ‘what if?’” – Marc 🔗 Resources & Mentions The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein The Surprising Gift of Doubt by Marc A. Pitman United States Bartenders’ Guild (USBG) leadership session Books mentioned: The Lord of the Rings, Narnia, A Wrinkle in Time, Anne of Green Gables Coaching references: Co-Active Coaching, story-based tools from Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36769360

SFIO 206 - Curiosity, Clarity, and Catalysts: SFIO with Cherian Koshy 06/03/2025

SFIO 206 - Curiosity, Clarity, and Catalysts: SFIO with Cherian Koshy In this episode, Marc and Emily welcome their longtime friend and colleague Cherian Koshy—a nonprofit leader, AI entrepreneur, international speaker, and one of the earliest champions of the Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification. They reflect on how their friendship started during early-pandemic Zoom happy hours and evolved into shared coaching, learning, and laughs across years and time zones. Cherian shares his take on identity, career shifts, and curiosity—from his time pioneering AI use in fundraising to his deep appreciation for the Iowa State Fair (yes, it’s serious). He explains why curiosity, clarity, and catalyzing change are the throughlines in his work, and how asking “Why did that happen?”—even when others don’t—is part of what makes him tick. The episode explores the tension between curiosity and worry, how to work with people who don’t share the same drive to go deep, and what it means to honor people’s journeys without projecting your own. Marc and Emily also ask Cherian what he’s still figuring out—his answer? How to live with both hindsight and foresight, for the sake of the people and causes he cares about most. This is a thoughtful and occasionally hilarious conversation about leadership, legacy, and lifelong learning. Key Takeaways Asking “Why did that happen?” can be the start of major innovation—if you let curiosity lead. Leaders don’t have to “fix” others—they can offer space, perspective, and permission. Clarity is different than simplicity. Clarity makes room for nuance. Being curious doesn’t mean you have the answers—it means you’re not done learning. You can take calls from the state fair and still lead like a pro. Quote Highlights “I hope I help people connect dots they didn’t know were there.” – Cherian “Curiosity, clarity, and catalyst—that’s the arc of my work.” – Cherian “We’re still trying to figure out what to do in this moment, with what we know from 30 years ago and 30 years from now.” – Cherian “Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.” – Marc (channeling Doc Brown) Resources & Mentions – Cherian’s current organization The Surprising Gift of Doubt by Marc A. Pitman The Iowa, Minnesota, and Texas State Fairs Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification (Q3LC) FedEx logo Easter egg (the hidden arrow) Back to the Future references (obviously) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36630675

SFIO 205 - Backward Goals, Brewery Goals, and Bathroom Adventures 05/27/2025

SFIO 205 - Backward Goals, Brewery Goals, and Bathroom Adventures In this episode, Marc and Emily explore their very different relationships with goal setting. What starts as a reflection on abandoned international travel dreams quickly turns into a candid conversation about how goals can serve—or burden—us. Marc shares his long history of goal-setting (and the ways it still trips him up), including his yearly list of 100 “magnet goals” and the mental gymnastics involved in sticking to goals like “visit one brewery a month.” Emily reflects on how her earliest experience with goal setting was punitive and tied to shame—shaping a lifelong tension with traditional goal frameworks. They talk about neurodivergence, executive function, the false sense of completion that sometimes comes just from planning a goal, and the difference between forward-focused and backward-looking intentions. Along the way, they share practical reframes and offer each other new language for celebrating progress. If you’ve ever struggled with how to make goal setting feel more human—or you’ve wondered whether there’s another way to approach productivity—this episode offers a thoughtful, honest, and often funny look at the topic. Key Takeaways Not everyone has the same relationship with goals—some find them motivating, others experience them as shame-triggering. “Magnet Goals” can be a creative, idea-based alternative to rigid planning. Sharing goals publicly can create a false sense of completion. Neurodivergent brains often use emotional weight to create momentum, which can be both helpful and exhausting. Setting goals in retrospect (looking at what you did rather than what you planned) may be a more useful approach for some. Quote Highlights “I’m still figuring out how to set goals without shame being part of the process.” – Marc “Maybe I’ll just do goal setting backwards—looking for the goals I didn’t know I set.” – Emily “Goal setting feels like a dialect to you. For me, it still feels like a foreign language.” – Emily “There’s a kind of figuring it out that feels like play—and a kind that feels like punishment.” – Emily “I’ve been goal-setting since I was 14. And I’m still surprised how much pressure I put on myself.” – Marc Resources & Mentions Magnet Goals Framework Enneagram Type 7 (referenced in Marc’s reflections on anticipation and follow-through) Zoho Campaigns & SpeakerFlow (tools Marc mentions wrangling) Shad Helmstetter, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy (classic goal-setting cassette tape influences) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36553400

SFIO 204 - What We’re Still Figuring Out—Professionally and Personally 05/20/2025

SFIO 204 - What We’re Still Figuring Out—Professionally and Personally Episode Summary (Long) In this episode, Marc and Emily kick off a new part of Season 2—interviewing some of the people they deeply admire. Before bringing on guests, they decided to run through the questions themselves to see what comes up. They each share how they’d describe themselves, what three words capture their work, what they love most about what they do, and what they’re still figuring out. Topics range from email list management and marketing fatigue to physical health, faith, aging, and what it means to start a new career in your 50s. There’s plenty of laughter and honest reflection, plus some real talk about entrepreneurship, burnout, play, and the weird transitions of midlife. Whether you're in a career shift, navigating new rhythms, or wondering if you'll ever figure out marketing platforms, this conversation will feel familiar. Key Takeaways Even seasoned professionals are still figuring things out—especially when the tools and platforms keep changing. Shifting careers later in life comes with new constraints—but also new clarity. Connection, creativity, and curiosity keep showing up as core values in both personal and professional work. Making space for play (from local meetups to solo hikes) adds resilience to busy lives. Retirement isn’t the goal—it’s more about shaping your next chapter with purpose. Quote Highlights “I’m still figuring out Zoho Campaigns... and I’ve been emailing people since 1999.” – Marc “I feel like I’ve had to make an alliance with my physical body.” – Emily “There’s a kind of figuring out that feels like frustration—and another kind that feels like play.” – Emily “Even though I didn’t want to go out, I’m always glad I did.” – Marc “If I ever do retire, I’ll probably need a strategic plan for what I’ll build next.” – Emily Resources & Mentions Zoho Campaigns (for tutorials) Dr. Sarah Glova (referenced during a goal-setting session) Pam Slim’s Your Body of Work /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36525930

SFIO 203 - What a Year: Loss, Learning, and Lots of Play 05/13/2025

SFIO 203 - What a Year: Loss, Learning, and Lots of Play Episode Summary In this episode, Marc and Emily walk through the major events of the last year—from career milestones to health recovery, quiet moments to chaotic ones. They talk about their kids moving across the country and overseas, their experience during a regional hurricane, and the slow return to rhythm after a tough year. They also share what’s changed in their work: growing the Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification, launching Exactly What to Say® Coaching, and figuring out how to support others while still building new systems themselves. Along the way, they talk about play—Toastmasters, brewing beer, snail mail nights, and coding projects. It’s a wide-ranging, real conversation about navigating work and life without pretending to have it all together. Key Takeaways Big life changes sometimes pile up all at once—making space to process them matters. Progress doesn’t always feel dramatic, but routines (like walking, therapy, or volunteering) help. Leading programs means also building trust in the people who will carry them forward. Personal and professional wins can come from unexpected places—including hobbies. Reflection is easier when you’ve kept a list—or a podcast. Quote Highlights “I want next year to be forward momentum toward longevity and strength.” —Emily “It’s not just about what we’ve built—it’s about the coaches we trust to carry it forward.” —Marc “Snail Mail Night at the stationery store is unexpectedly life-giving.” —Emily “From Kindles to Kobos, from reading to coding—it’s like digital jigsaw puzzle joy.” —Marc Resources Mentioned https://EWTSCoaching.com/ Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification https://concordleadershipgroup.com/coaching-certification/ Pam Slim’s book: Your Body of Work Toastmasters The Warehouse Theater (Greenville, SC) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36525905

SFIO 202: Messy Growth, Inner Wisdom, and Leadership That Lasts 05/06/2025

SFIO 202: Messy Growth, Inner Wisdom, and Leadership That Lasts Episode Summary In this heartfelt and idea-packed episode, Marc and Emily Pitman reflect on the messy inner journey of leadership. As they prepare to graduate a new cohort of certified coaches from their Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification (Q3LC), they explore the deeper meaning behind their work—and the cost of leadership that relies too much on external validation. Marc explains the origins of the “Quadrant 3” framework, first developed through years of executive coaching and later popularized in his book The Surprising Gift of Doubt. Emily adds perspective on how growing up as a rule-follower can lead to a leadership crisis when the “rules” suddenly stop working. They share stories from real leaders, dive into themes like self-trust, stewardship, imposter syndrome, and why coaching isn’t just for aspiring professionals—it’s for any leader looking to move from burnout to effectiveness. Whether you’re an emerging manager or a seasoned consultant, this episode offers clarity, camaraderie, and encouragement. Key Takeaways Many leaders are promoted without being trained—and left to guess the “rules.” Quadrant 3 is the point where self-doubt either paralyzes you or propels you toward deeper self-trust. Coaching isn’t just a skillset—it’s a mindset shift that can make leadership more effective and human. Personal growth often means learning to stop fighting yourself and start working with your wiring. Q3LC is for middle managers, retiring execs, consultants between projects, and teams who need to think more critically. Quote Highlights “It’s like driving with the parking brake on. Quadrant 3 is where leaders finally take it off.” —Marc “I realized I hadn’t been working with myself for two weeks—and everything felt harder.” —Emily “Leadership is stewardship. Not just of the mission, but of yourself.” —Emily “Some people realize, ‘I don’t want to be a coach—and that’s a great insight to gain!’” —Marc “We help people become more clear, so others can make a real decision: yes or no.” —Marc Resources Mentioned 📘 The Surprising Gift of Doubt – Marc A. Pitman https://concordleadershipgroup.com/giftofdoubt/ 👩‍🏫 Q3LC Certification for Individuals https://concordleadershipgroup.com/coaching-certification/ 🧑‍💼 Q3LC for Teams https://concordleadershipgroup.com/transform-team/ 💡 Mention of Beatrice Chestnut & Uranio Paes (Enneagram teachers) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36438455

SFIO 201 - Embracing the Messy 04/23/2025

1.4 Podcast Research 03/13/2025

1.4 Podcast Research Episode Summary In this enlightening episode of "We're Still Figuring This Out," hosts Marc and Emily Pitman dive into the intricacies of podcasting, sharing personal insights, and reflections on their journey as podcast creators. They explore the themes of intentional living, relationship dynamics, and the balance between humor and respect. Join them as they navigate the challenges and rewards of creating content that is both meaningful and engaging. Timestamps [00:00] Introduction: The origins of "We're Still Figuring This Out." [00:21] Meet Emily Pitman: Leadership coach, creative, and Marc's life partner. [02:09] Exploring Marc Pitman: Author, speaker, coach, and Emily's partner in life. [03:07] The art of podcast listening and content creation insights. [07:07] Discussing audience engagement and the diversity of podcast content. [11:38] On finding balance between technical aspects and storytelling in podcasting. [14:40] Reflecting on podcast listening habits and preferences. [17:41] The significance of closure in podcast series and diversifying podcast voices. Key Takeaways Intentional Living: Marc and Emily discuss how intentionality plays a crucial role not only in their personal lives but also in the crafting of their podcast. Relationship Dynamics: They touch on the importance of balance and respect in their interactions, both personally and professionally. Creative Process Insights: The episode provides a behind-the-scenes look at their process of selecting topics, engaging with content, and the considerations involved in producing a podcast that resonates with their audience. Diversity in Podcasting: A call to action for recommendations on podcasts hosted by voices from different backgrounds to enrich their listening and learning experience. Notable Quotes "It's not about the podcast; it's about us." - Marc "Finding podcasts for me feels like finding an author where you're going to read all their books." - Emily "We can only do so much research off of playing here and making our first 100 messy ones." - Emily Connect with Us We love hearing from our listeners! If you have suggestions for podcast recommendations, particularly those that bring diverse perspectives, or just want to share your thoughts on today's episode, reach out to us through our social media channels. Closing Thoughts "Thank you for joining us on this journey as we continue figuring it out, one episode at a time. Remember, the adventure is in the learning. Until next time, we're still Marc and Emily." - Marc & Emily Pitman That music! Thank you to Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35421340

1.3 Timeframes 03/11/2025

1.3 Timeframes Summary In this episode of the Pitman's Coddiwomple podcast, hosts Mark and Emily delve into the intricacies of different timeframes in personal and professional planning. They explore how individuals' perceptions of time can influence their approach to tasks and goals. The discussion touches on the importance of understanding these differences to foster better teamwork and leadership. They also share personal anecdotes and experiences, highlighting the importance of flexibility and mutual understanding in relationships. Timestamps [00:00] - Introduction and setting the 20-minute timer [02:00] - Testing new technology and its impact on the recording [03:30] - Catching up after a busy month and discussing the unusual January schedule [05:00] - Emily's request to join Mark in Albuquerque in March [06:00] - Discussion about the National Speakers Association event, Thrive [07:00] - Emily's plans to make reservations for their youngest child's travel [08:30] - Exploring the concept of different timeframes: long-term, mid-range, and short-term [10:00] - The Green Monster analogy for long-term planning [12:00] - The importance of discussing personal and business goals before planning [14:00] - Strategies for aligning different timeframes within a team [16:00] - The role of leadership and the idea of 'making it up' as you go [18:00] - Reflecting on the past year and setting intentions for 2024 [20:00] - Closing remarks and expressing appreciation for the podcast Key Takeaways Understanding Timeframes: Mark and Emily discuss the importance of recognizing different timeframes (long-term, mid-range, short-term) and how they affect planning and decision-making. Leadership Insights: Leadership often involves adapting and 'making it up' rather than following strict rules. Empowering team members to innovate can lead to better outcomes. Personal and Professional Balance: Planning personal and professional goals together can help align priorities and foster a supportive environment. Flexibility in Planning: Being open to adjustments and having a shared understanding of goals can reduce conflicts and improve teamwork. Notable Quotes "Let's talk about what we want for our calendars, which was preceded by a kind of, what do we want for our personal life? What do we want for our life together? And then how does our business support that?" "Leaders are just not just... there's no just about it. Good leaders are making it up." "The plan isn't there to confine you; it's just so you can see when it's going off track." Additional Resources - Insights on leadership and personal development. Final Thoughts This episode emphasizes the value of understanding and integrating different perspectives on time and leadership within both personal and professional contexts. Mark and Emily's candid discussion provides practical insights into managing these dynamics effectively. That Music!: Thank you to Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35421320

1.2 - Coddiwomple - Our Journey Together 03/06/2025

1.2 - Coddiwomple - Our Journey Together Episode 2: Coddiwomple - Our Journey Together Introduction Welcome to the our podcast! We, Marc and Emily Pitman, are excited to embark on this new journey together. In this episode, we introduce ourselves, share our backgrounds, and discuss our new favorite word, "coddiwomple," which means to travel purposefully toward an unknown destination. Join us as we explore our past, our present, and the adventures that lie ahead. About the Hosts Emily Pitman: Certified Co-Active Coach Credentialed with the International Coach Federation Writer of the weekly newsletter "Sprouts" Aspiring speaker Former educator and support cheerleader for a serial entrepreneur Committed to adventure Marc Pitman: Executive coach for nonprofit and tech founders Runs an International Coach Federation accredited program Speaker and trainer at conferences Author of eight books, including "Surprising Gifted Out" Early adopter of technology and social media Husband to Emily for 28 years and father of three Key Discussion Points 0:00 - 5:00 | Introduction and Backgrounds Emily introduces herself and her journey from educator to coach and writer. Marc shares his background as an executive coach and entrepreneur. Both discuss their commitment to adventure and personal growth. 5:01 - 10:00 | The Word "Coddiwomple" Emily explains how she discovered the word "coddiwomple." Discussion on how "coddiwomple" perfectly encapsulates their approach to life and their podcast. 10:01 - 20:00 | Meeting and Early Relationship Marc and Emily recount how they met at a conservative evangelical college in 1994. They share amusing anecdotes about their initial interactions and the cultural context of their meeting. Reflections on their different backgrounds and early challenges. 20:01 - 30:00 | Journey to Marriage The couple's decision not to date in the traditional sense due to their beliefs at the time. Their trip to India as a pivotal moment in their relationship. Engagement and marriage timeline: from Labor Day meeting to Memorial Day wedding in 1995. 30:01 - 40:00 | Life Together and Professional Growth Transition from newlyweds to co-adventurers in life and work. Marc's decision to avoid traditional seminary to maintain his authenticity. Both share their perspectives on maintaining personal integrity and growth through their careers. 40:01 - End | Reflections and Looking Ahead Emily and Marc discuss the significance of being "pilgrims" on a journey rather than adhering to rigid life plans. The importance of discovery, listening, and staying open to new experiences. A heartfelt exchange about their partnership and future plans for the podcast. Notable Quotes Emily: "My dream since high school was to be a speaker, which is now what I'm starting to do, adding speaking to coaching and writing." Marc: "I help passionate founders who realize they have an organization around them and don't know what to do with it." Emily: "Coddiwomple - to travel purposefully toward an unknown destination - is the perfect word for us." Marc: "We're working towards something, but it's a purpose, not a place." Final Thoughts In this episode, Marc and Emily Pitman share their unique journey, from their early days of meeting at college to their professional and personal growth over the years. The concept of "coddiwomple" sets the tone for their podcast, highlighting their commitment to purposeful, adventurous living. Stay tuned for more episodes as they continue to explore life, love, and leadership together. That Music!: Thank you to Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass Thank you for joining us on this journey! 🌟 /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35370765

1.12 Looking Back, Looking Ahead 03/03/2025

1.12 Looking Back, Looking Ahead Episode Summary: In this season finale of "Still Figuring It Out," hosts Marc and Emily Pitman reflect on their journey through the season, sharing the joys, challenges, and unexpected lessons they've encountered. From embracing messiness to reveling in unscripted dialogues, they explore what it means to combine work and life, maintain a playful spirit, and the importance of enjoying the process rather than fixating on outcomes. Episode Highlights: [00:00:06] - Season introduction by Marc and Emily, highlighting the theme of embracing imperfection. [00:14:15] - Discussion on their commitment to authenticity and allowing conversations to unfold organically. [00:30:40] - Marc and Emily discuss the benefits of their conversational style, touching on deeper understandings and shared personal insights. [00:46:15] - Reflections on the personal growth and discoveries from hosting the podcast. [00:52:30] - Marc and Emily ponder future topics and the potential format for the next season. [01:05:45] - Closing thoughts on what they've learned this season and what listeners can expect when they return. Notable Quotes: "We did commit to making our first whatever many messy episodes." - Marc [00:40:17] "It's been really great to have this space to talk with each other, remember our old stories, create our new ones." - Emily [00:47:20] "What's the business outcome you want from this?... It's bringing joy to us." - Marc [00:52:30] Key Takeaways: Embracing imperfection can lead to a more authentic and fulfilling creative process. The importance of maintaining joy and playfulness in collaborative projects. Reflection and adaptation are crucial for personal and professional growth. Connect with Us: Marc Pitman: Email - Emily Pitman: Email - We hope you enjoyed this season as much as we did creating it. Stay subscribed for updates on our return for Season 2! That Music! Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35519270

1.10 Quarterly Questions, Part 2 03/03/2025

1.9 Quarterly Questions, Part 1 03/03/2025

1.9 Quarterly Questions, Part 1 Hosts: 🎤 Marc A. Pitman, CSP – Speaker, coach, and visionary wall demolisher 🎤 Emily Pitman – Systems and spaces designer, master planner Episode Summary In this inaugural episode of Still Figuring It Out, Marc and Emily Pitman dive into the Four Questions for the Quarter, a structured yet organic way they approach planning, growth, and creativity. With humor, warmth, and insight, they explore: The chaos and creativity of Emily’s brainstorming process Marc’s quest for intentional client outreach The balance between building systems and preserving creative energy Finding time and space for writing goals All while navigating the fun dynamics of co-hosting and co-creating! 🕒 Timestamps & Key Topics: ⏳ [00:00:03] – Welcome & introductions ⏳ [00:00:08] – Emily’s “neon post-it” mind & Marc’s admiration for her unique system ⏳ [00:01:15] – A bit of sibling banter: shady backgrounds and cat boxes ⏳ [00:02:04] – Establishing the podcast’s structure and episode count ⏳ [00:03:09] – Introduction to Four Questions for the Quarter ⏳ [00:06:00] – Question #1: Where will I be getting clients? (Marc’s focus on intentional networking) ⏳ [00:08:00] – Question #1 (Emily): What systems do I want settled into habits? (Balancing structure and creativity) ⏳ [00:09:16] – Question #2: How do I balance launching a new thing with paying tuition? (Marc’s metaphor of life as a cupcake 🍰) ⏳ [00:12:15] – Question #2 (Emily): How many words will I write? (Tracking writing progress & using Scrivener) ⏳ [00:17:39] – Wrapping up and reflections on tracking progress 🔑 Key Takeaways: ✅ Marc’s "Client Question": Being intentional about outreach rather than relying solely on inbound opportunities. ✅ Emily’s "Systems Question": Building habits that free up creative energy rather than draining it. ✅ Marc’s "Balance Question": Protecting revenue streams while embracing new ventures. ✅ Emily’s "Writing Question": Tracking progress and defining what "counts" as writing. 🎙️ Favorite Quotes: Marc: "Life is a cupcake—protect the base because the frosting won’t hold itself up!" 🧁 Emily: "I feel a little used…like a cat who got a fancy box and never used it again." 🐱 Marc: "Did you just do your homework during class and ruin recess for the rest of us?" 😆 Emily: "If I can automate systems, I can be creative somewhere else." 🎨 📌 What's Next? Part 2 of the Four Questions Series! 📝 In the next episode, Marc & Emily continue unpacking their quarterly questions and dive deeper into balancing productivity, creativity, and life. 📢 Connect With Us: 🌐 Podcast Website: [Insert Link] 📲 Follow Marc on Twitter: [Insert Link] 📲 Connect with Emily on LinkedIn: [Insert Link] 💬 Join the conversation! What’s your question for the quarter? Share it with us on social media! 🚀 This episode was full of laughs, reflections, and thoughtful strategy—subscribe and stay tuned as we figure it out together! 🎧✨ Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35518200

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