Still Figuring It Out

with Emily & Marc. After doing life, family, and business together for thirty years, we are still figuring it out. Both fiercely independent first borns, we are committed to continuing to grow and try new things in our entrepreneurial adventures.

SFIO 209 Hardwired: How Knowing Yourself Changes Everything 06/23/2025

SFIO 209 Hardwired: How Knowing Yourself Changes Everything 📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Marc and Emily explore the concept of hardwiring—those patterns, instincts, and tendencies that shape how we show up in life, work, and relationships. From Enneagram types to Gallup Strengths to late-in-life ADHD diagnoses, they reflect on how assessments can help us understand ourselves more clearly—and when labels might actually get in the way. With humor, vulnerability, and a lot of real-life examples, they explore: The usefulness and limitations of personality profiles How deeper self-awareness can reframe past stories What it means to take responsibility without shame How to describe yourself without falling into shorthand labels Why saying "you're just a..." might be the most damaging thing of all Plus, an unexpected movie reference that brings the point home. 🔑 Key Takeaways Hardwiring refers to our natural patterns—our instinctive responses and behavior tendencies. Personality assessments like Enneagram, StrengthsFinder, or DISC can offer language for reflection, but shouldn’t become excuses or cages. Knowing your patterns gives you space to pause, choose your response, and lead with intention. Labels like “just a 9” or “typical 7” can be harmful when used to dismiss or stereotype. Self-awareness is not self-absorption—it’s leadership. 🗣 Quote Highlights “When we understand ourselves, we can see our stories in the light of truth instead of shame.” – Emily “Sometimes peace is great. But it’s not always the goal.” – Emily “Hardwiring is how you show up when you’re not trying.” – Marc “Saying ‘you’re just a…’ turns a helpful tool into a weapon.” – Marc “My curiosity wants me to learn. It’s one of my Gallup strengths—another assessment!” – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions CliftonStrengths (Gallup) Mr. Magorium’s Wonder Emporium (Film reference – Jason Bateman as “the mutant”) Co-Active Leadership by Karen and Henry Kimsey-House 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing, mixing, mastering, guitar; Caleb Pitman: composing, mixing, trumpet; Zoe Czarnecki: bass. /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36853835

SFIO 208 - Still Figuring Out What Leadership Really Means with Thu Hue Nguyen 06/17/2025

SFIO 208 - Still Figuring Out What Leadership Really Means with Thu Hue Nguyen 📋 Episode Summary In this powerful episode, Marc and Emily sit down with Thu Hue Nguyen, a nonprofit founder, Obama Fellow, and leadership coach based in Hanoi, Vietnam. Together they explore the realities of leading through challenge, the evolution from founder to coach, and why investing in leadership development is essential—especially in resource-scarce sectors. Thu Hue shares how she transitioned from law into ocean and fisheries work, and how crisis moments taught her that leadership is not innate—it can be learned. With refreshing honesty, she talks about learning to let go, inspire others, and coach teams instead of simply managing them. This episode is rich with insights for leaders, founders, and coaches who are navigating transition or asking, "Am I doing this right?" Spoiler: if you’re asking, you’re probably on the right track. 🔑 Key Takeaways Leadership isn’t born—it’s built, often through challenges and reflection. Coaching helps leaders shift from control to empowerment. Founders often struggle to ask for help—but that’s when true leadership growth begins. Leadership development is worth investing in, even when resources feel tight. Great leaders create space for others, offer clear direction, and stay connected to vision and mission. 🗣 Quote Highlights “You learn leadership by being in motion—by tripping and standing back up.” – Marc “When people leave, we often realize we should’ve had that conversation a month ago.” – Thu Hue “Founders lead down and up. If no one’s pulling them up, the system breaks.” – Marc 🌍 About the Guest Thu Hue Nguyen is a Vietnamese social entrepreneur and nonprofit leader dedicated to sustainable development in coastal communities. She has served on numerous boards, supports fisheries and fisherpeople, and is an alum of the prestigious Obama Foundation Fellowship. She’s also a certified leadership coach through the Quadrant 3 framework. 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno: composing, mixing, mastering, guitar; Caleb Pitman: composing, mixing, trumpet; Zoe Czarnecki: bass. /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36791120

SFIO 207-Story, Identity, and 30 Years Together 06/10/2025

SFIO 207-Story, Identity, and 30 Years Together 📋 Episode Summary (Long) In this episode, recorded on their anniversary, Marc and Emily reflect on 30 years of marriage—and use it as a lens to explore the role of story and identity in leadership, coaching, and everyday life. They revisit their shared love of children’s books, read-alouds during 2 a.m. nursing sessions, and the way stories have always been a thread in their family, work, and lives. From The Giving Tree to Anne of Green Gables, storytelling was how they passed on values, built imagination, and created connection. The conversation moves into coaching and leadership development, exploring why so many people—especially leaders—discredit or downplay their own stories. They share practical insights about helping clients recognize the narratives they repeat (both helpful and limiting), and how stories become mirrors for values and identity. This episode also includes a reflection on where they’ve been and where they’re going next. From international travel that didn’t happen to the possibility of RV adventures ahead, Marc and Emily keep it honest, reflective, and lighthearted. Whether you’re celebrating an anniversary of your own or simply thinking about how your story shapes your path, this one is full of warm wisdom. 🔑 Key Takeaways Stories shape identity—and that’s true for individuals, families, and organizations. We often undervalue our own stories because we’re too close to them. Leadership coaching can help surface patterns and narratives clients may not even realize they’re repeating. There’s power in asking, “Is this story still serving me—or my team?” Permission to share your story is sometimes the most transformational part of coaching. 🗣 Quote Highlights “It’s just my life. It’s not my identity.” – Emily “Story is how we wire the brain—and how we invite others to understand us.” – Marc “One of the most important things we do in coaching is help people recognize the stories they’re living in.” – Emily “We’ve said yes to almost every adventure.” – Emily “I’d rather say I’m sorry than spend a lifetime asking ‘what if?’” – Marc 🔗 Resources & Mentions The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein The Surprising Gift of Doubt by Marc A. Pitman United States Bartenders’ Guild (USBG) leadership session Books mentioned: The Lord of the Rings, Narnia, A Wrinkle in Time, Anne of Green Gables Coaching references: Co-Active Coaching, story-based tools from Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36769360

SFIO 206 - Curiosity, Clarity, and Catalysts: SFIO with Cherian Koshy 06/03/2025

SFIO 206 - Curiosity, Clarity, and Catalysts: SFIO with Cherian Koshy In this episode, Marc and Emily welcome their longtime friend and colleague Cherian Koshy—a nonprofit leader, AI entrepreneur, international speaker, and one of the earliest champions of the Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification. They reflect on how their friendship started during early-pandemic Zoom happy hours and evolved into shared coaching, learning, and laughs across years and time zones. Cherian shares his take on identity, career shifts, and curiosity—from his time pioneering AI use in fundraising to his deep appreciation for the Iowa State Fair (yes, it’s serious). He explains why curiosity, clarity, and catalyzing change are the throughlines in his work, and how asking “Why did that happen?”—even when others don’t—is part of what makes him tick. The episode explores the tension between curiosity and worry, how to work with people who don’t share the same drive to go deep, and what it means to honor people’s journeys without projecting your own. Marc and Emily also ask Cherian what he’s still figuring out—his answer? How to live with both hindsight and foresight, for the sake of the people and causes he cares about most. This is a thoughtful and occasionally hilarious conversation about leadership, legacy, and lifelong learning. Key Takeaways Asking “Why did that happen?” can be the start of major innovation—if you let curiosity lead. Leaders don’t have to “fix” others—they can offer space, perspective, and permission. Clarity is different than simplicity. Clarity makes room for nuance. Being curious doesn’t mean you have the answers—it means you’re not done learning. You can take calls from the state fair and still lead like a pro. Quote Highlights “I hope I help people connect dots they didn’t know were there.” – Cherian “Curiosity, clarity, and catalyst—that’s the arc of my work.” – Cherian “We’re still trying to figure out what to do in this moment, with what we know from 30 years ago and 30 years from now.” – Cherian “Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.” – Marc (channeling Doc Brown) Resources & Mentions – Cherian’s current organization The Surprising Gift of Doubt by Marc A. Pitman The Iowa, Minnesota, and Texas State Fairs Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification (Q3LC) FedEx logo Easter egg (the hidden arrow) Back to the Future references (obviously) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36630675

SFIO 205 - Backward Goals, Brewery Goals, and Bathroom Adventures 05/27/2025

SFIO 205 - Backward Goals, Brewery Goals, and Bathroom Adventures In this episode, Marc and Emily explore their very different relationships with goal setting. What starts as a reflection on abandoned international travel dreams quickly turns into a candid conversation about how goals can serve—or burden—us. Marc shares his long history of goal-setting (and the ways it still trips him up), including his yearly list of 100 “magnet goals” and the mental gymnastics involved in sticking to goals like “visit one brewery a month.” Emily reflects on how her earliest experience with goal setting was punitive and tied to shame—shaping a lifelong tension with traditional goal frameworks. They talk about neurodivergence, executive function, the false sense of completion that sometimes comes just from planning a goal, and the difference between forward-focused and backward-looking intentions. Along the way, they share practical reframes and offer each other new language for celebrating progress. If you’ve ever struggled with how to make goal setting feel more human—or you’ve wondered whether there’s another way to approach productivity—this episode offers a thoughtful, honest, and often funny look at the topic. Key Takeaways Not everyone has the same relationship with goals—some find them motivating, others experience them as shame-triggering. “Magnet Goals” can be a creative, idea-based alternative to rigid planning. Sharing goals publicly can create a false sense of completion. Neurodivergent brains often use emotional weight to create momentum, which can be both helpful and exhausting. Setting goals in retrospect (looking at what you did rather than what you planned) may be a more useful approach for some. Quote Highlights “I’m still figuring out how to set goals without shame being part of the process.” – Marc “Maybe I’ll just do goal setting backwards—looking for the goals I didn’t know I set.” – Emily “Goal setting feels like a dialect to you. For me, it still feels like a foreign language.” – Emily “There’s a kind of figuring it out that feels like play—and a kind that feels like punishment.” – Emily “I’ve been goal-setting since I was 14. And I’m still surprised how much pressure I put on myself.” – Marc Resources & Mentions Magnet Goals Framework Enneagram Type 7 (referenced in Marc’s reflections on anticipation and follow-through) Zoho Campaigns & SpeakerFlow (tools Marc mentions wrangling) Shad Helmstetter, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy (classic goal-setting cassette tape influences) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36553400

SFIO 204 - What We’re Still Figuring Out—Professionally and Personally 05/20/2025

SFIO 204 - What We’re Still Figuring Out—Professionally and Personally Episode Summary (Long) In this episode, Marc and Emily kick off a new part of Season 2—interviewing some of the people they deeply admire. Before bringing on guests, they decided to run through the questions themselves to see what comes up. They each share how they’d describe themselves, what three words capture their work, what they love most about what they do, and what they’re still figuring out. Topics range from email list management and marketing fatigue to physical health, faith, aging, and what it means to start a new career in your 50s. There’s plenty of laughter and honest reflection, plus some real talk about entrepreneurship, burnout, play, and the weird transitions of midlife. Whether you're in a career shift, navigating new rhythms, or wondering if you'll ever figure out marketing platforms, this conversation will feel familiar. Key Takeaways Even seasoned professionals are still figuring things out—especially when the tools and platforms keep changing. Shifting careers later in life comes with new constraints—but also new clarity. Connection, creativity, and curiosity keep showing up as core values in both personal and professional work. Making space for play (from local meetups to solo hikes) adds resilience to busy lives. Retirement isn’t the goal—it’s more about shaping your next chapter with purpose. Quote Highlights “I’m still figuring out Zoho Campaigns... and I’ve been emailing people since 1999.” – Marc “I feel like I’ve had to make an alliance with my physical body.” – Emily “There’s a kind of figuring out that feels like frustration—and another kind that feels like play.” – Emily “Even though I didn’t want to go out, I’m always glad I did.” – Marc “If I ever do retire, I’ll probably need a strategic plan for what I’ll build next.” – Emily Resources & Mentions Zoho Campaigns (for tutorials) Dr. Sarah Glova (referenced during a goal-setting session) Pam Slim’s Your Body of Work /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36525930

SFIO 203 - What a Year: Loss, Learning, and Lots of Play 05/13/2025

SFIO 203 - What a Year: Loss, Learning, and Lots of Play Episode Summary In this episode, Marc and Emily walk through the major events of the last year—from career milestones to health recovery, quiet moments to chaotic ones. They talk about their kids moving across the country and overseas, their experience during a regional hurricane, and the slow return to rhythm after a tough year. They also share what’s changed in their work: growing the Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification, launching Exactly What to Say® Coaching, and figuring out how to support others while still building new systems themselves. Along the way, they talk about play—Toastmasters, brewing beer, snail mail nights, and coding projects. It’s a wide-ranging, real conversation about navigating work and life without pretending to have it all together. Key Takeaways Big life changes sometimes pile up all at once—making space to process them matters. Progress doesn’t always feel dramatic, but routines (like walking, therapy, or volunteering) help. Leading programs means also building trust in the people who will carry them forward. Personal and professional wins can come from unexpected places—including hobbies. Reflection is easier when you’ve kept a list—or a podcast. Quote Highlights “I want next year to be forward momentum toward longevity and strength.” —Emily “It’s not just about what we’ve built—it’s about the coaches we trust to carry it forward.” —Marc “Snail Mail Night at the stationery store is unexpectedly life-giving.” —Emily “From Kindles to Kobos, from reading to coding—it’s like digital jigsaw puzzle joy.” —Marc Resources Mentioned https://EWTSCoaching.com/ Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification https://concordleadershipgroup.com/coaching-certification/ Pam Slim’s book: Your Body of Work Toastmasters The Warehouse Theater (Greenville, SC) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36525905

SFIO 202: Messy Growth, Inner Wisdom, and Leadership That Lasts 05/06/2025

SFIO 202: Messy Growth, Inner Wisdom, and Leadership That Lasts Episode Summary In this heartfelt and idea-packed episode, Marc and Emily Pitman reflect on the messy inner journey of leadership. As they prepare to graduate a new cohort of certified coaches from their Quadrant 3 Leadership Coach Certification (Q3LC), they explore the deeper meaning behind their work—and the cost of leadership that relies too much on external validation. Marc explains the origins of the “Quadrant 3” framework, first developed through years of executive coaching and later popularized in his book The Surprising Gift of Doubt. Emily adds perspective on how growing up as a rule-follower can lead to a leadership crisis when the “rules” suddenly stop working. They share stories from real leaders, dive into themes like self-trust, stewardship, imposter syndrome, and why coaching isn’t just for aspiring professionals—it’s for any leader looking to move from burnout to effectiveness. Whether you’re an emerging manager or a seasoned consultant, this episode offers clarity, camaraderie, and encouragement. Key Takeaways Many leaders are promoted without being trained—and left to guess the “rules.” Quadrant 3 is the point where self-doubt either paralyzes you or propels you toward deeper self-trust. Coaching isn’t just a skillset—it’s a mindset shift that can make leadership more effective and human. Personal growth often means learning to stop fighting yourself and start working with your wiring. Q3LC is for middle managers, retiring execs, consultants between projects, and teams who need to think more critically. Quote Highlights “It’s like driving with the parking brake on. Quadrant 3 is where leaders finally take it off.” —Marc “I realized I hadn’t been working with myself for two weeks—and everything felt harder.” —Emily “Leadership is stewardship. Not just of the mission, but of yourself.” —Emily “Some people realize, ‘I don’t want to be a coach—and that’s a great insight to gain!’” —Marc “We help people become more clear, so others can make a real decision: yes or no.” —Marc Resources Mentioned 📘 The Surprising Gift of Doubt – Marc A. Pitman https://concordleadershipgroup.com/giftofdoubt/ 👩‍🏫 Q3LC Certification for Individuals https://concordleadershipgroup.com/coaching-certification/ 🧑‍💼 Q3LC for Teams https://concordleadershipgroup.com/transform-team/ 💡 Mention of Beatrice Chestnut & Uranio Paes (Enneagram teachers) /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/36438455

SFIO 201 - Embracing the Messy 04/23/2025

1.4 Podcast Research 03/13/2025

1.4 Podcast Research Episode Summary In this enlightening episode of "We're Still Figuring This Out," hosts Marc and Emily Pitman dive into the intricacies of podcasting, sharing personal insights, and reflections on their journey as podcast creators. They explore the themes of intentional living, relationship dynamics, and the balance between humor and respect. Join them as they navigate the challenges and rewards of creating content that is both meaningful and engaging. Timestamps [00:00] Introduction: The origins of "We're Still Figuring This Out." [00:21] Meet Emily Pitman: Leadership coach, creative, and Marc's life partner. [02:09] Exploring Marc Pitman: Author, speaker, coach, and Emily's partner in life. [03:07] The art of podcast listening and content creation insights. [07:07] Discussing audience engagement and the diversity of podcast content. [11:38] On finding balance between technical aspects and storytelling in podcasting. [14:40] Reflecting on podcast listening habits and preferences. [17:41] The significance of closure in podcast series and diversifying podcast voices. Key Takeaways Intentional Living: Marc and Emily discuss how intentionality plays a crucial role not only in their personal lives but also in the crafting of their podcast. Relationship Dynamics: They touch on the importance of balance and respect in their interactions, both personally and professionally. Creative Process Insights: The episode provides a behind-the-scenes look at their process of selecting topics, engaging with content, and the considerations involved in producing a podcast that resonates with their audience. Diversity in Podcasting: A call to action for recommendations on podcasts hosted by voices from different backgrounds to enrich their listening and learning experience. Notable Quotes "It's not about the podcast; it's about us." - Marc "Finding podcasts for me feels like finding an author where you're going to read all their books." - Emily "We can only do so much research off of playing here and making our first 100 messy ones." - Emily Connect with Us We love hearing from our listeners! If you have suggestions for podcast recommendations, particularly those that bring diverse perspectives, or just want to share your thoughts on today's episode, reach out to us through our social media channels. Closing Thoughts "Thank you for joining us on this journey as we continue figuring it out, one episode at a time. Remember, the adventure is in the learning. Until next time, we're still Marc and Emily." - Marc & Emily Pitman That music! Thank you to Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35421340

1.3 Timeframes 03/11/2025

1.3 Timeframes Summary In this episode of the Pitman's Coddiwomple podcast, hosts Mark and Emily delve into the intricacies of different timeframes in personal and professional planning. They explore how individuals' perceptions of time can influence their approach to tasks and goals. The discussion touches on the importance of understanding these differences to foster better teamwork and leadership. They also share personal anecdotes and experiences, highlighting the importance of flexibility and mutual understanding in relationships. Timestamps [00:00] - Introduction and setting the 20-minute timer [02:00] - Testing new technology and its impact on the recording [03:30] - Catching up after a busy month and discussing the unusual January schedule [05:00] - Emily's request to join Mark in Albuquerque in March [06:00] - Discussion about the National Speakers Association event, Thrive [07:00] - Emily's plans to make reservations for their youngest child's travel [08:30] - Exploring the concept of different timeframes: long-term, mid-range, and short-term [10:00] - The Green Monster analogy for long-term planning [12:00] - The importance of discussing personal and business goals before planning [14:00] - Strategies for aligning different timeframes within a team [16:00] - The role of leadership and the idea of 'making it up' as you go [18:00] - Reflecting on the past year and setting intentions for 2024 [20:00] - Closing remarks and expressing appreciation for the podcast Key Takeaways Understanding Timeframes: Mark and Emily discuss the importance of recognizing different timeframes (long-term, mid-range, short-term) and how they affect planning and decision-making. Leadership Insights: Leadership often involves adapting and 'making it up' rather than following strict rules. Empowering team members to innovate can lead to better outcomes. Personal and Professional Balance: Planning personal and professional goals together can help align priorities and foster a supportive environment. Flexibility in Planning: Being open to adjustments and having a shared understanding of goals can reduce conflicts and improve teamwork. Notable Quotes "Let's talk about what we want for our calendars, which was preceded by a kind of, what do we want for our personal life? What do we want for our life together? And then how does our business support that?" "Leaders are just not just... there's no just about it. Good leaders are making it up." "The plan isn't there to confine you; it's just so you can see when it's going off track." Additional Resources - Insights on leadership and personal development. Final Thoughts This episode emphasizes the value of understanding and integrating different perspectives on time and leadership within both personal and professional contexts. Mark and Emily's candid discussion provides practical insights into managing these dynamics effectively. That Music!: Thank you to Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35421320

1.2 - Coddiwomple - Our Journey Together 03/06/2025

1.2 - Coddiwomple - Our Journey Together Episode 2: Coddiwomple - Our Journey Together Introduction Welcome to the our podcast! We, Marc and Emily Pitman, are excited to embark on this new journey together. In this episode, we introduce ourselves, share our backgrounds, and discuss our new favorite word, "coddiwomple," which means to travel purposefully toward an unknown destination. Join us as we explore our past, our present, and the adventures that lie ahead. About the Hosts Emily Pitman: Certified Co-Active Coach Credentialed with the International Coach Federation Writer of the weekly newsletter "Sprouts" Aspiring speaker Former educator and support cheerleader for a serial entrepreneur Committed to adventure Marc Pitman: Executive coach for nonprofit and tech founders Runs an International Coach Federation accredited program Speaker and trainer at conferences Author of eight books, including "Surprising Gifted Out" Early adopter of technology and social media Husband to Emily for 28 years and father of three Key Discussion Points 0:00 - 5:00 | Introduction and Backgrounds Emily introduces herself and her journey from educator to coach and writer. Marc shares his background as an executive coach and entrepreneur. Both discuss their commitment to adventure and personal growth. 5:01 - 10:00 | The Word "Coddiwomple" Emily explains how she discovered the word "coddiwomple." Discussion on how "coddiwomple" perfectly encapsulates their approach to life and their podcast. 10:01 - 20:00 | Meeting and Early Relationship Marc and Emily recount how they met at a conservative evangelical college in 1994. They share amusing anecdotes about their initial interactions and the cultural context of their meeting. Reflections on their different backgrounds and early challenges. 20:01 - 30:00 | Journey to Marriage The couple's decision not to date in the traditional sense due to their beliefs at the time. Their trip to India as a pivotal moment in their relationship. Engagement and marriage timeline: from Labor Day meeting to Memorial Day wedding in 1995. 30:01 - 40:00 | Life Together and Professional Growth Transition from newlyweds to co-adventurers in life and work. Marc's decision to avoid traditional seminary to maintain his authenticity. Both share their perspectives on maintaining personal integrity and growth through their careers. 40:01 - End | Reflections and Looking Ahead Emily and Marc discuss the significance of being "pilgrims" on a journey rather than adhering to rigid life plans. The importance of discovery, listening, and staying open to new experiences. A heartfelt exchange about their partnership and future plans for the podcast. Notable Quotes Emily: "My dream since high school was to be a speaker, which is now what I'm starting to do, adding speaking to coaching and writing." Marc: "I help passionate founders who realize they have an organization around them and don't know what to do with it." Emily: "Coddiwomple - to travel purposefully toward an unknown destination - is the perfect word for us." Marc: "We're working towards something, but it's a purpose, not a place." Final Thoughts In this episode, Marc and Emily Pitman share their unique journey, from their early days of meeting at college to their professional and personal growth over the years. The concept of "coddiwomple" sets the tone for their podcast, highlighting their commitment to purposeful, adventurous living. Stay tuned for more episodes as they continue to explore life, love, and leadership together. That Music!: Thank you to Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass Thank you for joining us on this journey! 🌟 /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35370765

1.12 Looking Back, Looking Ahead 03/03/2025

1.12 Looking Back, Looking Ahead Episode Summary: In this season finale of "Still Figuring It Out," hosts Marc and Emily Pitman reflect on their journey through the season, sharing the joys, challenges, and unexpected lessons they've encountered. From embracing messiness to reveling in unscripted dialogues, they explore what it means to combine work and life, maintain a playful spirit, and the importance of enjoying the process rather than fixating on outcomes. Episode Highlights: [00:00:06] - Season introduction by Marc and Emily, highlighting the theme of embracing imperfection. [00:14:15] - Discussion on their commitment to authenticity and allowing conversations to unfold organically. [00:30:40] - Marc and Emily discuss the benefits of their conversational style, touching on deeper understandings and shared personal insights. [00:46:15] - Reflections on the personal growth and discoveries from hosting the podcast. [00:52:30] - Marc and Emily ponder future topics and the potential format for the next season. [01:05:45] - Closing thoughts on what they've learned this season and what listeners can expect when they return. Notable Quotes: "We did commit to making our first whatever many messy episodes." - Marc [00:40:17] "It's been really great to have this space to talk with each other, remember our old stories, create our new ones." - Emily [00:47:20] "What's the business outcome you want from this?... It's bringing joy to us." - Marc [00:52:30] Key Takeaways: Embracing imperfection can lead to a more authentic and fulfilling creative process. The importance of maintaining joy and playfulness in collaborative projects. Reflection and adaptation are crucial for personal and professional growth. Connect with Us: Marc Pitman: Email - Emily Pitman: Email - We hope you enjoyed this season as much as we did creating it. Stay subscribed for updates on our return for Season 2! That Music! Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35519270

1.10 Quarterly Questions, Part 2 03/03/2025

1.9 Quarterly Questions, Part 1 03/03/2025

1.9 Quarterly Questions, Part 1 Hosts: 🎤 Marc A. Pitman, CSP – Speaker, coach, and visionary wall demolisher 🎤 Emily Pitman – Systems and spaces designer, master planner Episode Summary In this inaugural episode of Still Figuring It Out, Marc and Emily Pitman dive into the Four Questions for the Quarter, a structured yet organic way they approach planning, growth, and creativity. With humor, warmth, and insight, they explore: The chaos and creativity of Emily’s brainstorming process Marc’s quest for intentional client outreach The balance between building systems and preserving creative energy Finding time and space for writing goals All while navigating the fun dynamics of co-hosting and co-creating! 🕒 Timestamps & Key Topics: ⏳ [00:00:03] – Welcome & introductions ⏳ [00:00:08] – Emily’s “neon post-it” mind & Marc’s admiration for her unique system ⏳ [00:01:15] – A bit of sibling banter: shady backgrounds and cat boxes ⏳ [00:02:04] – Establishing the podcast’s structure and episode count ⏳ [00:03:09] – Introduction to Four Questions for the Quarter ⏳ [00:06:00] – Question #1: Where will I be getting clients? (Marc’s focus on intentional networking) ⏳ [00:08:00] – Question #1 (Emily): What systems do I want settled into habits? (Balancing structure and creativity) ⏳ [00:09:16] – Question #2: How do I balance launching a new thing with paying tuition? (Marc’s metaphor of life as a cupcake 🍰) ⏳ [00:12:15] – Question #2 (Emily): How many words will I write? (Tracking writing progress & using Scrivener) ⏳ [00:17:39] – Wrapping up and reflections on tracking progress 🔑 Key Takeaways: ✅ Marc’s "Client Question": Being intentional about outreach rather than relying solely on inbound opportunities. ✅ Emily’s "Systems Question": Building habits that free up creative energy rather than draining it. ✅ Marc’s "Balance Question": Protecting revenue streams while embracing new ventures. ✅ Emily’s "Writing Question": Tracking progress and defining what "counts" as writing. 🎙️ Favorite Quotes: Marc: "Life is a cupcake—protect the base because the frosting won’t hold itself up!" 🧁 Emily: "I feel a little used…like a cat who got a fancy box and never used it again." 🐱 Marc: "Did you just do your homework during class and ruin recess for the rest of us?" 😆 Emily: "If I can automate systems, I can be creative somewhere else." 🎨 📌 What's Next? Part 2 of the Four Questions Series! 📝 In the next episode, Marc & Emily continue unpacking their quarterly questions and dive deeper into balancing productivity, creativity, and life. 📢 Connect With Us: 🌐 Podcast Website: [Insert Link] 📲 Follow Marc on Twitter: [Insert Link] 📲 Connect with Emily on LinkedIn: [Insert Link] 💬 Join the conversation! What’s your question for the quarter? Share it with us on social media! 🚀 This episode was full of laughs, reflections, and thoughtful strategy—subscribe and stay tuned as we figure it out together! 🎧✨ Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35518200

1.8 To Birthday or Not To Birthday 02/27/2025

1.8 To Birthday or Not To Birthday Hosts: 🎤 Marc A. Pitman, CSP – Speaker, coach, and visionary wall demolisher 🎤 Emily Pitman – Systems and spaces designer, master planner Episode Summary In this episode of Still Figuring It Out, Marc and Emily Pitman reflect on life, marriage, and the evolving ways they celebrate birthdays (or, in this case, not celebrate them). They dive into the pressures around gift-giving, family expectations, and the freedom that comes from rethinking traditions. From birthday pies to self-care, the couple explores what it means to be intentional about celebrations while staying true to their values. Timestamps & Key Topics ⏱ [00:00:03] - Welcome! Emily kicks off the episode with a lighthearted question: Does the weekend start now, or in six hours? ⏱ [00:00:26] - Who We Are Marc and Emily introduce themselves as life partners, business partners, and co-hosts who are still figuring things out. ⏱ [00:01:59] - The Math of Marriage Reflecting on their nearly 29-year marriage, they joke about how counting years (or months) changes as you get older. ⏱ [00:02:46] - Living from Strengths The couple discusses their shared mission: helping others embrace their strengths and gifts. ⏱ [00:03:02] - “We Didn’t Have Birthdays This Year” Marc and Emily talk about skipping traditional birthday celebrations and opting for something different—a September celebration instead of their usual January and February birthdays. ⏱ [00:04:02] - Why Change the Tradition? Marc explains that his birthday, falling so close to Christmas, has always been a challenge for gift-giving. Emily shares how their kids are now financially independent, making gifts more of a financial stress than a necessity. ⏱ [00:06:04] - The Kindness of Letting Go of Expectations They discuss how choosing to forgo gifts and big celebrations was not just about them but also a way to relieve family members of unnecessary pressure. ⏱ [00:08:32] - Birthday Pies & Small Traditions Instead of a big party, Marc enjoyed a homemade chocolate bourbon pecan pie, while Emily had a French silk chocolate pie with pretzel crust—a delicious alternative to gifts! ⏱ [00:10:57] - The Shift in Mindset Marc opens up about the weirdness of not celebrating in the usual way and the unexpected joy of receiving birthday wishes on Facebook. ⏱ [00:14:09] - Looking Ahead to Next Year What will birthdays look like next year? Marc and Emily explore ideas, including a trip just for the two of them (Disney, anyone?). They also discuss how prioritizing them over obligations feels both freeing and indulgent. ⏱ [00:17:57] - Gifts Without Obligation Emily shares her philosophy on gift-giving: she prefers spontaneous, heartfelt gestures over obligatory presents on specific days. ⏱ [00:19:46] - Wrapping Up The episode ends with a reminder that life—and celebrations—are things we’re all still figuring out. Notable Quotes 💬 “We exist to help other people live from their strengths and their gifts, and to celebrate those with them.” – Emily Pitman 💬 “Gifts are frosting on the cake. The presence of loved ones is what truly matters.” – Marc A. Pitman 💬 “I didn’t know the rules. I thought we said ‘no birthdays,’ so I wasn’t sure if I was even allowed to celebrate in my own way!” – Marc A. Pitman 💬 “It’s easier to say no to something than to say yes to ourselves.” – Marc A. Pitman Key Takeaways ✔ Reevaluating Traditions: Just because you’ve always done something a certain way doesn’t mean you have to keep doing it. ✔ The Pressure of Gift-Giving: Sometimes the best gift you can give is removing the obligation to give. ✔ Prioritizing What Matters: Birthdays don’t have to be about gifts—they can be about self-care, quality time, and personal reflection. ✔ Navigating Family Dynamics: Making space for new traditions can be an act of kindness, both for yourself and others. Listener Engagement 💡 What about you? Do you have a non-traditional way of celebrating birthdays or milestones? 📩 Let us know! Share your thoughts with us on [social media] or email us at [podcast email]. 🎧 Loved this episode? Subscribe and leave a review to help others find Still Figuring It Out! 🎙️ Until next time, we’re still figuring it out! Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35462900

1.7 Travel, Work, and Family Dynamics 02/27/2025

1.7 Travel, Work, and Family Dynamics Join hosts Marc and Emily Pitman in this reflective and candid episode of "Still Figuring It Out" as they navigate the complexities of travel, work, and changing family dynamics. The couple delves into their experiences with balancing professional responsibilities, personal relationships, and the nuances of life transitions. This episode is packed with real-life anecdotes, professional insights, and a healthy dose of humor as they explore how their lives and work have evolved over the years. Timestamps [00:00:05] - Introduction by Marc, touching on the importance of getting things "just right." [00:00:38] - Emily discusses Marc's role as a technical host and their recent travel schedules. [00:01:12] - Emily's reflection on restarting the episode recording. [00:01:43] - Marc introduces Emily, her roles, and their joy in working and living together. [00:02:11] - The couple decides to talk about the theme of travel and its impact over different life stages. [00:03:03] - Marc describes the exhausting nature of his travel and work schedule. [00:04:07] - Discussion on how their travel and work approach has changed with their kids growing up. [00:05:07] - Insights into how travel and work-life integration has become less rigid over time. [00:06:08] - Marc and Emily reflect on the protective nature of family time in the past. [00:07:14] - Exploration of how aging and life stages influence work travel and recovery times. [00:08:10] - Challenges of travel delays and the unexpected emotional toll. [00:09:41] - Delving into the different audience dynamics Marc faced during his talks. [00:10:58] - Discussing the changing needs of their base camp (home) as their family dynamics evolve. [00:13:11] - Anticipation and planning for an upcoming trip that coincides with their child's travel plans. [00:15:14] - Marc and Emily ponder over the different personal and professional roles they play during travels. [00:16:15] - The episode concludes with thoughts on embracing new travel and work rhythms without self-criticism. Key Quotes Marc: "I don't know what we were thinking 20 years ago, but it was definitely not this. And I'm glad that this is still happy and good." Emily: "Is it an aging thing that you're getting older and requiring more turnaround time? Or did we just not do that before?" Marc: "It's so much fun teaching with her, and it's so much fun doing life with her." Notable Takeaways Travel and Work Integration: Marc and Emily discuss how their approach to integrating travel with work responsibilities has shifted as their children have grown and their personal and professional lives have evolved. Family Dynamics: They reflect on how changes in their family structure, such as children growing up and becoming independent, have influenced their work schedules and travel plans. Personal Growth and Reflection: The episode highlights the importance of self-awareness and adaptability in managing life's transitions, especially in relation to work and family commitments. This episode is a must-listen for anyone juggling multiple roles in their personal and professional lives, offering insights into managing change with grace and humor. That Music! Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35462595

1.6 Navigating Travel as an Entrepreneurial Family 02/25/2025

1.6 Navigating Travel as an Entrepreneurial Family Hosts: 🎤 Marc A. Pitman, CSP – Speaker, coach, and visionary wall demolisher 🎤 Emily Pitman – Systems and spaces designer, master planner Episode Summary In this episode of We're Still Figuring It Out, Marc and Emily dive into the complexities of travel as an entrepreneurial family. They reflect on how their experiences of being apart have evolved over time, from their early years of marriage to the present day, and how it has impacted their family dynamics. With Marc gearing up for his first business trip of the year, they discuss the preparations, emotions, and expectations that come with travel—both as the one leaving and the one staying behind. Emily shares how she approaches Marc’s absence, sometimes by tackling home projects (like painting rooms!), and how that perspective has shifted over time. They also touch on: The balance between introvert vs. extrovert needs during travel How travel has shaped their children’s independence and perspectives The impact of Emily’s aneurysm on their outlook on time spent apart The societal expectations of marriage roles (who wears the power tool belt? 🔨) The true meaning of offering help to others 🤝 This episode is a real, honest, and heartwarming discussion on the push and pull of life on the road while keeping a family connected. Key Takeaways & Highlights ⏳ [00:03] Welcome & Introductions Marc welcomes listeners and praises Emily’s ability to design "systems and spaces" – a phrase that resonates deeply with her. ⏳ [00:14] The Roles We Play in Marriage A humorous look at how Marc and Emily’s strengths balance each other – Emily builds structure, Marc breaks barriers (literally and figuratively). Who really wears the power tool belt in the family? ⏳ [02:50] Preparing for Travel: A Family Approach Marc’s upcoming trip sparks a conversation about handling responsibilities before leaving, including car maintenance. 🚗 Emily’s way of preparing: making plans for while he’s gone (like a Valentine’s Day paint & wine night with their daughter!). ⏳ [06:01] Shifting Perspectives on Time Apart Emily reflects on how her approach to Marc’s travel has changed over the years—from tackling big home projects to embracing rest and balance. The childhood memory that shaped her need to create a fresh, organized space when someone returns from a trip. ⏳ [12:50] The Impact of Emily’s Aneurysm How a health crisis changed the way they view time spent apart. A new appreciation for being intentional with time together and apart. ⏳ [16:37] Raising Kids Who Embrace Travel Their children have adopted a sense of independence from years of seeing their parents manage travel. The use of shared Google calendars as a way to stay connected even when apart. How their past aspirations for international family travel evolved over time. ⏳ [18:19] The Bigger Picture: Travel as a Way of Life Marc reflects on his love of exploration and how it fuels his work. The idea that travel isn’t just about moving locations—it’s about growth and change. ⏳ [19:01] Wrapping Up: Travel & Relationships The importance of understanding each other’s needs in a relationship when one person travels often. Why they’re still figuring out how to balance independence and togetherness. Notable Quotes 🗣️ 💡 “I design systems and spaces. Marc demolishes walls—both literally and in dreams.” – Emily 💡 “I feel named, and I trust you with that.” – Marc on Emily’s description of his role in their partnership. 💡 “Sometimes, travel isn’t just about going somewhere new; it’s about how we adapt and what we take from the experience.” – Marc 💡 “The world is meant to be explored, and I’m grateful our kids see that.” – Emily Resources & Mentions 🔗 Connect with Marc A. Pitman: 🔗 Follow Emily Pitman for more on systems & organization: [Social Media Links] 🔗 Recommended Read: "The Surprising Gift of Doubt" – Marc A. Pitman Join the Conversation! 🎧 Love this episode? Subscribe & leave a review! 💬 What’s your approach to travel in your family? Let us know in the comments or tag us on social media! 📅 Stay updated on upcoming episodes by following our podcast! Until next time, we’re still figuring it out. ✨ Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35421435

1.5 The Art of Reframing 02/25/2025

1.5 The Art of Reframing Episode Summary In this heartwarming and insightful episode of "We're Still Figuring It Out," hosts Marc and Emily Pitman explore the transformative power of reframing. With nearly three decades of life partnership, the Pitmans share personal anecdotes, challenges, and triumphs, drawing on their rich life experiences, including transitioning to almost empty-nesters, navigating professional endeavors together, and the subtle art of cat type preference. The discussion delves into how reframing — a concept utilized both in coaching and cognitive behavioral therapy — can offer fresh perspectives and reveal pathways previously unseen, turning obstacles into opportunities. Timestamps & Highlights [00:00:04] - Introduction by Emily Pitman, setting the whimsical tone of recording from an undisclosed planet. [00:00:24] - The concept of "reframing" is introduced as the central theme of the episode. [00:01:16] - The Pitmans share snippets of their life journey, including their early marriage, adventures across states, jobs, parenting, and pet ownership. [00:04:06] - Discussion on working professionally together, specifically on a coach certification program, and the dynamics it brings to their relationship. [00:05:43] - Anecdotes about their cats and how their preferences for pet types have remained consistent over the years. [00:08:42] - The importance of reframing in coaching and personal growth, with examples from their lives and coaching practices. [00:14:29] - Emily discusses the importance of recognizing the narratives we tell ourselves and the power of reframing to challenge these narratives. [00:17:49] - A powerful personal reframe shared by Emily, touching on the essence of love and family. [00:19:35] - Marc shares a recent profound reframe in his life after being diagnosed with ADHD and revisiting past narratives with a new perspective. Notable Quotes "We were such babies when we got married." - Emily, reflecting on their early life together. "Reframing offers more than cliched comfort... It shifts the perspective to show an opportunity or pathway that wasn't apparent minutes before." - Emily, on the essence of reframing. "You can't really see the picture when you're in the frame." - Marc, on the importance of external perspectives for personal growth. Episode Links Sign up for Emily's Sprouts Newsletter for more insights. Learn more about the ICF Accredited Coach Certification Program led by Marc and Emily. Closing Thoughts Through personal stories and shared wisdom, Marc and Emily Pitman illustrate how reframing isn't just a tool for overcoming life's hurdles but a pathway to deeper understanding and personal growth. As we listen to their banter and insights, it's clear that while they may still be figuring it out, their journey of discovery offers invaluable lessons on love, life, and the art of seeing things anew. We hope you enjoyed this episode of "We're Still Figuring It Out." If you have stories of how reframing has changed your perspective, we'd love to hear from you. Until next time, keep exploring, growing, and embracing the unexpected twists and turns of life. That Music! Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35421345

1.1 - Welcome to Emily & Marc's Podcast Adventure - Still Figuring It Out 02/20/2025

1.1 - Welcome to Emily & Marc's Podcast Adventure - Still Figuring It Out Episode Summary: In this debut episode of the "Marc and Emily" podcast, the hosts introduce themselves and share the inspiration behind starting their podcast. They candidly discuss their uncertainties about the show's name and target audience, emphasizing their commitment to authenticity over perfection. The couple reflects on their 28-year marriage, their professional journeys as coaches, and their shared love for storytelling and personal growth. This episode sets the stage for a series of unscripted, genuine conversations about life, values, and intentional living. Key Highlights: Introduction: Marc and Emily share their reasons for starting a podcast despite not having a clear name or target audience. The hosts recount how they decided to launch the podcast after discussing it during a dinner in New York City. Personal Bios: Marc introduces Emily as a creative thinker, leader, co-active certified coach, and his best friend of nearly 29 years. Emily introduces Marc as a leadership coach, author, and the president of the South Carolina chapter of the International Coach Federation. Podcast Philosophy: Emphasis on embracing imperfections and learning from the messiness of life. The goal is to create a space where genuine, unscripted conversations can happen, mirroring their dynamic as a couple. Life and Work: The couple discusses their professional backgrounds, including Emily's creativity coaching and writing, and Marc's leadership coaching and certification programs. They share anecdotes about their life together, their adventures, and the values they've cultivated over the years. Podcast Goals: They aim to produce 8-15 "messy" episodes to find their rhythm before deciding on the level of polish. The podcast is intended for people interested in intentional living and personal growth. Future Plans: Plans to invite friends (not formal guests) to share their stories and insights. Encouragement for listeners to interact with them through LinkedIn and suggest topics for future episodes. Favorite New Word: Emily shares her excitement about discovering the word "Coddiwomple," which means to travel purposefully toward an unknown destination, encapsulating their podcast journey. Notable Quotes: "We can make a perfect mess of things and discover things in the mess." – Emily "It's in the mess that the magic happens." – Marc Timestamps: [00:00] - Introduction and Welcome [02:30] - Marc and Emily's Background [05:00] - Podcast Philosophy: Embracing Messiness [08:00] - Personal Stories and Professional Backgrounds [12:00] - Goals for the Podcast [15:30] - Future Plans and Listener Engagement [18:00] - Closing Remarks Connect with Marc and Emily: LinkedIn: That Music!: Thank you to Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass Next Episode Teaser: In the next episode, Marc and Emily will dive into the story of how they met and the adventures that have shaped their journey together. They promise more unscripted fun and insights into living a purposeful life. Don't miss it! 🎙️ Thank you for joining us on this journey! If you enjoyed the episode, please subscribe, rate, and leave a review. We appreciate your support! 🎙️ /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35371150

1.11 - Values and Budgets 01/01/2024

1.11 - Values and Budgets Hosts: 🎤 Marc A. Pitman, CSP – Speaker, coach, and visionary wall demolisher 🎤 Emily Pitman – Systems and spaces designer, master planner Episode Summary In this episode of Still Figuring It Out, Emily and Marc Pitman take a deep dive into how budgeting can reflect personal values rather than just being a rigid financial framework. They share insights on shifting perspectives on money, the importance of intentionally categorizing expenses, and how small changes—like renaming budget lines—can make a big impact on financial mindset and family priorities. Emily also reflects on her experiences post-brain surgery, discussing how it has influenced communication, memory, and even financial decision-making. Meanwhile, Marc explores the deeper emotional layers of budgeting, including the shame often associated with money and the power of reframing finances as a tool to serve life, rather than the other way around. ✨ Whether you love numbers or avoid them at all costs, this episode offers a fresh take on budgeting that prioritizes values over spreadsheets. ⏳ Timestamps & Key Topics: [00:00:15] 🏊‍♂️ A leap into the episode (and a nostalgic memory of kids jumping in the pool) [00:00:34] 🎙️ Welcome to Still Figuring It Out! [00:01:09] 🤔 Brain freezes & word retrieval struggles post-brain surgery [00:02:15] 📌 Defining values in finances: a budget should reflect what matters [00:03:34] 💸 Shifting from traditional budget categories to values-based spending [00:06:00] 🍽️ Making room for "date nights" as a separate budget category [00:07:43] 🎭 The importance of hobbies and leisure in financial planning [00:09:01] 🏡 From “housing” to “home” – why renaming categories matters [00:14:55] 💰 Addressing shame around money and learning to see it as a tool [00:20:06] 🎤 Closing reflections: how budgeting serves our values, not vice versa 🔥 Key Takeaways: ✅ Words Matter – Naming budget categories intentionally (e.g., "Health & Fitness" vs. "Medical Expenses") helps shape a positive financial mindset. ✅ Budgeting = Prioritizing What Matters – If coffee outings or hobbies bring joy, they should have a dedicated place in your finances. ✅ Money Should Serve You – Marc reflects on how his father taught him that money should serve us, not the other way around. ✅ Family & Finances Evolve – Just like life, budgets should be adjusted to reflect current values, goals, and realities. 📢 Notable Quotes: 💬 "Budgeting isn’t just about setting limits; it’s about making space for what matters most." – Emily 💬 "Our budget categories should be a reflection of our family’s identity, not just financial obligations." – Marc 💬 "You can see what a person values by looking at their calendar and checkbook." – Marc 💬 Join the Conversation! What budget categories reflect your values? Let us know! 🌟 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review to support the show! 🚀 Thank you Lexi Moreno and Caleb Pitman composing / mixing / mastering / guitar / trumpet; Zoe bass /episode/index/show/35d59fa5-fffe-4892-9f2e-24382bb92ee3/id/35462985

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