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🌟 Introducing: The Human Experience Podcast 🌟 A space where soul meets story, and presence meets practice. Hosted by Dr. Carlos Garcia & Supna Doshi, this podcast is an invitation to explore the depth, magic, and messiness of being human. Through heartfelt conversations, spiritual reflections, and real stories from our community—you’re not just listening… you’re remembering. 🎧 Episodes are live now! 💬 Got a question, a story, or a reflection? Leave us a voicemail at (800) 791-3884—we just might share it in a future episode. Let’s walk this path together. #TheHumanExperiencePodcast #SpiritualGrowth #SelfDiscovery #AwakenedLiving #PodcastLaunch
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The Spirituality of Relationships
05/09/2025
The Spirituality of Relationships
🎧 EPISODE 4: The Spirituality of Relationships What if your relationships—every one of them—were part of your spiritual path? In this powerful episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore how romantic, familial, and even fleeting connections are not random... they’re mirrors. The people in our lives reflect back to us the places we’re still growing, still healing, still awakening. 💬 “What’s showing up in this relationship is the work I probably need to do on myself.” 🧘🏽♀️ “You can run, or you can use it. That’s the choice.” Whether it's a difficult parent, a triggering partner, or an unexpected friendship, this conversation reframes relationships as sacred ground for self-discovery. Inspired by Ram Dass, Karma Yoga, and lived experience—this episode invites us to stop asking, Why is this happening to me? and instead ask, What is this teaching me? 🎙️ Available now on all platforms. #TheHumanExperiencePodcast #SpiritualityAndRelationships #KarmaYoga #SelfGrowth #RamDass #ConsciousRelationships #EmotionalHealing #HumanExperience #PodcastClip #InnerWork #SpiritualAwakening The Spirituality of Relationships Transcript: [00:00:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia. [00:00:11] Supna Doshi: And I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers from Eckhart Toi to Ramdas Wayne Dyer, Michael Singer. [00:00:23] Supna Doshi: Together we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. [00:00:30] [00:00:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode will feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepened our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful experience. [00:00:47] Supna Doshi: So take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast. [00:01:00] The universe puts relationships in our lives that really are meant to teach us something. I go into something thinking one thing, and then it's it's usually hindsight, but now like I've caught up and now I can say, oh, today my lesson was this. [00:01:17] Supna Doshi: Today, this person taught me this and I learned this about myself and this is where, I have whatever stuck energy or growth opportunity or whatever it's, but because you've lived, I mean you've lived [00:01:30] right through the Marine Corps, through the fire department, through. Like you've lived and had a lot of romantic and non-romantic relationships like that come in, friendships and then now having a partner and a child, like those relationships teach us so much. [00:01:48] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like understanding, right? Like the understanding of these things are always critical and important. Like culturally. [00:01:55] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like there, there's a shift cognitively that had to happen for me to [00:02:00] even know or understand or, sit with the idea that relationships come into our lives for a reason. [00:02:07] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So oftentimes when I'm doing work as a psychotherapist, people come in and they're like what do I, what do I do with this relationship? And what I offer them is you have. Two options. One of those options is anytime anything feels uncomfortable in your relationship, set boundaries or move away from it, or you use it. [00:02:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I think we [00:02:30] have traditionally or in some cultures, it's just easier to move away from the relationships, especially in today's day and age, where like you can go on an app and with, within a couple of hours, have a date later on that evening. It's easy to move out of relationships. [00:02:44] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It's easier to not do the hard thing. I think culturally we're set up that way. It's easier. Look at the divorce rate, right? But when I shifted my mindset to, oh, what's showing up in this relationship is like the [00:03:00] work that I could probably use or need to look at myself, right? This person is mirroring back to me where I potentially have some work to do. [00:03:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That was a big shift. [00:03:12] Supna Doshi: What prompted that shift for you? [00:03:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Probably my delving into spirituality. It just started, as a psychotherapist it was like, oh yeah, great. Just set boundaries here. Or and sometimes that's necessary, right? We, I would never condone an abusive or threatening relationship in any [00:03:30] way. [00:03:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But there's these different shades of it, right? So as a psychotherapist, before it was just like, oh, what do you need to do to get out of this relationship? Or what do you need to do to, fix the situation? And yes, maybe that is required at times, but yeah, through spirituality and understanding, like I think what you started to say oh, there's a purpose for these relationships in our lives. [00:03:52] Dr. Carlos Garcia: A big, where I can pinpoint that is, is when I learned about the sort of idea of karma yoga. That, that you use the [00:04:00] things of your life as your work on yourself for spiritual growth. That was the big sort of pivot point for me. [00:04:08] Supna Doshi: We do have a tendency to move out of relationships, but then there are the relationships with parents and children that I feel like we're not so easy to move out of those relationships, but that we struggle so much in them because maybe that mind shift hasn't happened of oh, I don't have to be right and somebody else be wrong. [00:04:30] Like I can just, I can try to sit back and see what I need to learn. [00:04:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, those relationships that we can't easily move away from and those, those relationships often when we're talking about family. They can be the most triggering, right? [00:04:44] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like the, those are the ones that get us. [00:04:46] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I love I heard a talk by Ramdas and he said he went to India and he was on the spiritual path and he was on cloud nine, and he'd go home and his father would say to him, do you have a job? And back he would just [00:05:00] himself. [00:05:04] Ram Dass: It's hard to appreciate how deep in it we are. [00:05:07] Ram Dass: How deep in the do-do of personality, how real it all is. You all think you have needs that must be met. You all think you have personality identities that must be honored. And even as I say that, I can feel you get tight defending your right to have those things. Isn't that true? I can [00:05:30] feel it in myself too. [00:05:31] Ram Dass: I have a right to be angry. Damn I do. We'll wait, there's no rush. When you finish that trip, we'll still be here [00:05:43] Ram Dass: because awareness isn't in time. It's just here. You want to enjoy your neurosis enjoy, have more, have another helping really climb in. We have gotten so thick in it and so you are either getting into it through abuse of this or [00:06:00] that, or you spend the rest of your life to getting out of it, which is all giving it that plane of reality. [00:06:05] Ram Dass: So much juice, and you look at your relationships from the point of view of your separateness. How will you fulfill my needs? I'll be who you need me to be if you'll be who I need you to be. Now that kind of symbiosis is, that's all fine if you don't get trapped in it. But if you get trapped in it, it's a nightmare. [00:06:27] Ram Dass: It's a nightmare rooted in your sense of [00:06:30] separateness. It's like feeding the illusion of the separateness, which is the root cause of the pain. So if the game is to be happy, the question is whether fulfilling your needs makes you happy, and whether fulfilling your needs makes you any happier than not fulfilling your needs. [00:06:51] Ram Dass: It's an interesting life. It does for the moment, there's no doubt about it, but if you notice that when you live on the realm of needs, the minute one is done, [00:07:00] another one appears you have a hierarchy of needs. So like a motivational hierarchy. I need food now. I need ice cream. Now I need television. Now I need a cold drink. [00:07:15] Ram Dass: Now I need some popcorn. Now I need to go to bed. If you notice that, you just go from one need to another and each one is and then ugh. And then ugh, and then, [00:07:28] oh. [00:07:29] Ram Dass: Ugh. [00:07:30] It's extraordinary. [00:07:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It's extraordinary. If we can continue to come back to this idea of, what is this person showing me? [00:07:40] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What is this person reflecting back to me that's in me that I can use this opportunity to take a look at to soften, to just observe. Yeah. Because the again, I'll come back to my mother. This was probably a couple months back, but I remember getting off the phone with her and just feeling so frustrated and [00:08:00] observing that frustration and then getting really sad because it's I don't hold anyone else to this standard in my life. [00:08:07] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Not my clients, not my spouse, not my friends, I show up with so much love and just allowing space for them. It's oh my God, like what is this in me that I need to soften and take a look at? I don't want to treat her like that. I don't want to have her feel that way towards me. [00:08:26] Supna Doshi: Did you answer the question? What is it? [00:08:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I don't know. [00:08:30] I'm probably still working on it. The sort of psychological and familial dynamics that start to occur early on in life, right? It's my understanding of the way that my mother is from her own upbringing that oftentimes she doesn't, her tone or the things that she says or the attitude. [00:08:49] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Is often not even in her control, but a pro, a byproduct, right? Of, of her own upbringing and her own traumas and her own stuff and her own life experiences. [00:09:00] And that allows me to create a little space where I can give her forgiveness. So it's a deeper understanding of who she is as a human being and what her work is on this earth that allows me to move out of a place of feeling triggered or reacting to her. [00:09:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: To a place of pausing, taking a moment and responding to her from a place of love and compassion and patience and not always right. Like it just, those are moments, yeah. [00:09:26] Supna Doshi: I think that's what it is. It's like there are moments when we're human and there [00:09:30] are moments when we can step away from it and find our center and be very grounded and compassionate and. [00:09:39] Supna Doshi: That's the E, that's the ebb and flow of it at all. I think with children. It's just been so eyeopening for me to see how much of my parents stuff was put onto me and how hard I try not to put any of my stuff on my [00:10:00] own children and to shield them from everybody else's stuff because they've got their own stuff. [00:10:06] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It. Yeah. I find it's so much easier to give kids compassion and patience, right? 'cause we have this site, like they don't know any better. I thought I would not be anything like my parents. And then I had my son and I was like, okay, the both of them are coming through loud and clear the ways I can, for example. [00:10:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Feels like something silly, but it's there. [00:10:30] My son will be eating and I just if he's making a big mess, I'm like getting all uptight and anxious, or I have to wipe his face 'cause his face is all, and I'm like, oh, this is my mother. People make fun of me. Like I always have to have like shoes on or sandals on, like wherever I go. [00:10:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And that's my mother. My mother screaming at me of always having shoes on. Your feet are gonna get dirty. You're gonna get sick. Something bad's gonna happen. Yes. And then now I see it showing, we just, [00:11:00] anytime, with my son it's there or the impatience that, that often I, I experienced with my father with my son who doesn't, just doesn't understand or knows any better. [00:11:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But I'm I, I see it arising. And I, I think that I need to give myself some love and compassion there and realizing. How deeply we can be wired and conditioned by those environments that we spent so much time in, especially during those, early [00:11:30] formative developmental years where our brain and behaviors are taking root. [00:11:34] Supna Doshi: What are in the relationships that you've had, what are some things that maybe you remember where you learned something about yourself? You just talked about the shoes in your mom like that. Totally. It's oh, that's why I do what I do. But can you think of like any relationships where you've had people like have revealed to you that, oh, like this is something new about my, about me that I didn't know. [00:11:59] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I [00:12:00] remember when I first met my current partner, Christina, and we were six months into the relationship, seven months, and we had moved in. Together and our, it was our first argument, which I can't even recall what it was about, but I remember she said something that, upset me and I got up. [00:12:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I just to get up and walk away from the conversation, leave the room. And the [00:12:30] thought that arose after I got up was like, you know what? I don't need this shit. I'm out of here. I just need to pack my shit and leave. And the next thought and this this is what, where the shift was. [00:12:39] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The next thought was like, wow, Carlos, why is that your response? It was my response because, I, I. If we go into the psychodynamics of it I grew up in a home where I didn't feel seen or heard or validated, and I learned to put up walls and push people away. Shut down. So like, when [00:13:00] I'm not feeling seen or heard or validated I shut down. And but here was this beautiful moment because she didn't say she didn't threaten me. She didn't say anything nasty. She didn't even raise her voice. She, we were just trying to have a loving conversation. [00:13:13] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So what I learned in that moment was like, oh, love and patience are the greatest mirrors to reflect back to us what's going on for us internally. This is someone that like for as long as I've known her, has the capacity to do that, right? To just [00:13:30] allow the stuff that is mine to spill out and then just hold it with like love and compassion. [00:13:36] Dr. Carlos Garcia: You can't help but have to look inward and almost from this place of just like love, be like, I need to work on this, on myself. I need to look at this. That was a big moment for me. [00:13:49] Supna Doshi: I think mine has definitely been more recent. It's just been, and the relationships that I. The people coming in and outta my life, like [00:14:00] just everything about the experience has been chipping away at everything that I thought was true. [00:14:10] Supna Doshi: And while the first few times it was very unnerving and I was very scared and it was very fearful because I was so grounded in that foundation. This. I feel like I have enough balance to be able to [00:14:30] sit back and say, oh, look at me to see that, oh, I'm not, any of the things that I thought, I'm not any of the things that people have told me. [00:14:39] Supna Doshi: I'm, I don't have to fit in anybody else's box. I don't have to be a certain way or do certain things or. Whether it's culturally or because I'm a woman or because I'm in a role, like I can just take each situation and [00:15:00] choose how I wanna be in that moment, and it doesn't have. Just being able to a step back and say, okay what can I learn about myself from this experience? [00:15:11] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I'm not 20, I'm 47 now, so it has a different, it's completely different. But that those relationships and those experiences can just be what they are to reveal more about me that I didn't know. And that they can [00:15:30] really just be a learning and an exploration and just being curious about things in the moment and not have all of these attachments to them and judgements to them. [00:15:43] Supna Doshi: And yes, while very liberating to be in that space when you move out of that space. It's very earth shattering because you're really breaking the mold of what you have been for 40 years. [00:15:59] Dr. Carlos Garcia: [00:16:00] You said such a key word there. Attachment. I have found in my experience as I work with my attachments, like relationships is one of those like really sticky places where attachments can show up, in a pretty strong way, yeah. Wired from our earliest years for connection and, attachment styles, one of the things I've been working on lately is that idea of like, when people are not showing up for me, one that oftentimes that's my [00:16:30] perception that I'm projecting on into the world. [00:16:32] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But two, that when they don't, instead of me having some. And usually a negative one, right? Either pride or, anger or resent that maybe that's God or the universe's way of teaching me how to show up for myself, how to be okay with not, with being alone or with [00:17:00] not having everyone support how I'm feeling or what I'm thinking or right, like walking alone in the world. [00:17:06] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And it, when I shifted that and started to experience it that way it's been this beautiful sort of letting go of oh, I can stand within myself not needing anyone. Not from this defensive. I don't need anyone ego, stuff, but from this inner groundedness of if I needed to walk alone in [00:17:30] this world, I can do so beautifully with courage, with bravery and like fully honoring, who [00:17:36] Supna Doshi: I'm curious how you separate that from loneliness. [00:17:41] Supna Doshi: That's where I get stuck. Yes, I can show up beautifully for myself and yes, like when I show up for others, I'm all in from day one. Like I am a hundred percent there. All of me, I, you get all of me. But when people don't mirror that, [00:18:00] which it is so hard to do, it's impo, it's an impossible expectation to have of anybody that when I can settle in the place that yes, I can be alone, and I love being alone and doing things alone, but then I find that line of loneliness that I can't seem to place it. [00:18:19] Supna Doshi: And maybe it's [00:18:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: this idea of loneliness. It is something I've had to navigate throughout my life just because of, for lots of different reasons. [00:18:30] Again, I felt my perception coming out of my childhood was that I was very alone. My parents were there physically, but they didn't get me. They didn't understand my sensitivity, right? [00:18:41] Dr. Carlos Garcia: There wasn't space for my emotions, my thoughts, my feelings, and so I often felt very alone. As an adult, I often, whether it was for work or for any number of reasons, was always moving to a new city by myself. It was this ex, person I just loved to [00:19:00] explore and move places and, in the service of, finding myself or finding my career, whatever I was doing at that time, there was just lots of moments where I spent alone. [00:19:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So it's something that I. Now can reflect back like, oh, I had lots of opportunities to work on that. I think part of what helps me digest it now, one is just a deeper understanding that like my truth is that we are all at our core, very compassionate and loving human beings. And [00:19:30] that if we act in ways opposed to that, it's often because of. [00:19:35]...
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Spiritual Tools that Actually Work
05/09/2025
Spiritual Tools that Actually Work
🎧 EPISODE 3: Spiritual Tools That Actually Work How do you reconnect with your spirit when your mind just won’t quiet down? In this episode of The Human Experience (THE) Podcast, Supna Doshi and Dr. Carlos Garcia get real about the messy middle of spiritual growth—when you know the tools, but still feel stuck. Together, they explore what it actually takes to stay aligned, grounded, and connected when life feels overwhelming or uncertain. From the power of breath and presence to the role of spiritual community and sacred teachers, this conversation offers real, relatable practices that bridge the gap between who we are and who we’re becoming. 🛠️ “You can’t force your way into alignment—you have to surrender to it.” 💡 “Even spiritual tools need spiritual patience.” Whether you’re deep on your path or just starting to question the noise of your mind, this episode is a heartfelt reminder: You’re not broken. You’re becoming. And there are tools that can help. #TheHumanExperiencePodcast #SpiritualTools #Integration #MindAndSpirit #Remembering #SpiritualGrowth #PodcastEpisode #HealingJourney #RamDass #WayneDyer #CommunityHealing Tools for Bridging the Mind & Spirit Transcript: [00:00:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia. [00:00:11] Supna Doshi: And I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers from Eckhart Toi to Ramdas Wayne Dyer, Michael Singer. [00:00:23] Supna Doshi: Together we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. [00:00:30] [00:00:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode will feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepened our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful experience. [00:00:47] Supna Doshi: So take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast. [00:01:00] Thank God for tools. Yeah. 'cause it's the only way that I can bridge the gap for myself between that spirit and the mind. They call it so many different things like mindfulness and meditation and all of the, all of these different terms. [00:01:17] Supna Doshi: But for me, if it, it's a practice, like it's a way of life, but the same ones don't work all the time. It depends on, what I'm going through, where I am, and then [00:01:30] sometimes none of them work. And then I call Carlos and I'm like, okay, Carlos, let me some of your tool bag, two tool bags, because none of mine are working. [00:01:39] Supna Doshi: Like I'm just in my head and I can't get out and I can observe it and be aware of it. But stopping that, from thinking it to action, like stopping that piece can be, has been very challenging recently for me. [00:01:54] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I wonder if it would be helpful for [00:02:00] listeners to like, have this sort of contextual framework for what is happening in that space in between. [00:02:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Where again, where we can say we're getting lost or where we're forgetting. [00:02:13] Wayne Dyer: If you took the tiny little spark that began you and tried to find its origination point and reduced it down to its smallest, tiniest fragment, and ultimately put it into a, what we call a particle accelerator and revved it up as fast as you can, rev it up and collided it and tried [00:02:30] to find out what was the basis, what is the spark that began you, what did it look like? [00:02:34] Wayne Dyer: You open up that particle accelerator, you look inside and there's nothing there. You came from energy. Then you were, you were in your parents' womb, your mother's womb for this nine months, and in the nine months of being inside of your mother's womb, everything that you needed for the physical journey and for the entire journey was taken care of. [00:02:59] Wayne Dyer: It was [00:03:00] all handled for you. There was nothing for you to do. In the D it says you are doing nothing. You're just being done. Have you ever had that awareness? You ever look in the mirror and realize that this has nothing to do with anything that you're doing, you're just being done. Things that start happening, [00:03:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That, that distance, yeah, that, that feels like very like my daily work, [00:03:30] right? Ev ever since having this sort of profound awakening moment. I've heard it also described as integration. [00:03:39] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like how do you come back into daily life and all of the ways that you've been wired with and integrate this thing that you've now experienced within your being. [00:03:50] Supna Doshi: There's such a great, segment I heard from Ramdas where he talks, talked about how he was in India and on that spiritual journey. And then he came [00:04:00] home and his dad just asked him, do you have a job? And like that he was back. [00:04:06] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. If you think you're enlightened, go home and spend a week with your parents. [00:04:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Two, two really powerful things that happened this week that I feel are relevant and can maybe give, an understanding. So one is this. Man that I work with, and he's, not even 20 yet, but has a father that's introduced the da de ching to him very early on in his life. [00:04:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And so he's like very [00:04:30] aware. He's very, he's a very conscious, 19-year-old. And, part of our work together is sharing of how frustrating it is the path, right? We don't call it that, but we'll jump on a call and I'm just so frustrated, and why do I feel this way? [00:04:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I'm feeling depressed and I'm feeling disconnected. And then you could just tell over the course of our hour together, some of that starts to just come off. Fade away. And we arrive back at that place of oh, how it all [00:05:00] is. And then there's a shift in mood. [00:05:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: There's a shift in, in his energy and it's oh, yeah. We just keep forgetting. [00:05:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And by the end of the call, he's I got it. And I was like, okay. So I'll see you next week when you've forgotten again and you're kicking and screaming. Like, why does it have to be this way? [00:05:18] Supna Doshi: And I feel like to a degree, like as communities, I have this sense that we used to do that before with each other. [00:05:28] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I have this sense [00:05:30] that our community. Was where we turned to when we forgot and they were there to remind us. And I feel, personally, I feel completely isolated and don't, besides my therapist on speed dial, those are the people that I go to be reminded now. And so it just made me think like the more we can have these.[00:06:00] [00:06:00] Supna Doshi: Conversations with each other on an, normalizing these conversations with each other on a society basis, on a community basis. I think the less intense it would be when we can remind each other. [00:06:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And it speaks to the sort of second incident or event that I wanted to share was having lunch. [00:06:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Somebody I just met at a gathering recently and can tell, right? Very hard centered, spiritual but we didn't, we didn't get to [00:06:30] meet, know each other very well. And then over lunch. It was so interesting, like we started this conversation around like business owners and like the challenges and the challenges of life, and then the conversation just organically moved into like this understanding that we are both souls loving beings, navigating this like human existence and. [00:06:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Again if you were witnessing this [00:07:00] conversation, you would see it go from this amplified, like anxiety and oh my God, all the things we struggle with to this moment where I just glared right through her eyeballs into her soul and be like, yeah you get what we're doing here, right? [00:07:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like you are a part of it all. You are like this. This is what we, this is what we're doing, right? And then this is like moment of like connection and ease. And in some cultures it's called Satan, or it's called the Sangha, right? [00:07:30] I had this really powerful meditation session recently where those words became like really relevant. [00:07:40] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like I understood them on a soul level because I was like, oh my God, I have so many people in my life that like, we haven't communicated to each other that's what we are. That's exactly the purpose that they fulfill in my life. Like you and like other people that are a constant reminder for [00:08:00] me, one of how easy it is to get lost in our humanness, but two of how it feels to then be connected again and remind each other. [00:08:09] Supna Doshi: And I think that's speak. Speaking of kind of a framework or a structure, that's probably like the biggest one. It wasn't even on my. Radar, but I think that is the biggest one. It's like building a community around us where we can have these conversations, where we can remind each other, where how are you, is not, I'm [00:08:30] fine. [00:08:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I think too like the question this young man asked me is like, why do we forget? Why do we keep forgetting and why so often, my understanding. It's probably somewhat primitive understanding, I'm sure of it all. It's just like there are so many. Like just pulls from the system, I call it, right? [00:08:54] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The day to day. The mind is wired to problem solve and seek solutions and [00:09:00] Right. The constant exposure to society and its messaging and social media and and. The ways our personalities and roles have been enforced, and even in our own minds, right? Like who I am. [00:09:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm a psychologist, I am Carlos, I am a husband. I am right? And just the ways that sometimes unconsciously we continue to reinforce. Other roles in our human roles and our human labels. And I think that that is the work, right? That's why these tools are necessary because [00:09:30] there's such a strong force pulling us in the other direction. [00:09:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My understanding is that's kind of part of it, right? That's the way it's supposed to be. That is part of the process of becoming an enlightened being and evolving is. Continually finding and using those tools so that you're less and less yanked or pulled or being driven by desires and attachments and some of that stuff [00:09:58] Supna Doshi: to other spiritualists, so [00:10:00] like Wayne Dyer and Michael Singer and Eckhart, and, but what you're talking about that. [00:10:09] Supna Doshi: Stop forgetting. They all say in different words. It's part that is part of the journey that is part of the awakening. The forgetting is part of the awakening because it's a continuous, like we tend to think linearly and the spiritual path is not linear. And so that forgetting is part of the remembering. [00:10:29] Supna Doshi: Yeah. [00:10:30] Like we talked about, you can't have the light without the dark and the joy without the. Sadness, even though we put those labels on it, you can't have the remembrance without the forget. [00:10:40] Wayne Dyer: Like the first moment of your conception, that moment that you went from non being to being, you think that it was your parents who did this, you know that you came from your parents, but I'm speaking on a quantum level here. [00:10:55] Wayne Dyer: It didn't come from your parents. [00:10:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The listening to other spiritual [00:11:00] teachers, the communities, that, we associate ourselves with, here as we're talking, I'm I have beads in my hand, right? Mantras, right? Meditation, mindfulness so many practices. [00:11:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That. And for me it's oh, now I understand why, you said it earlier they don't always work, but like, why? We need to just have in our toolbox so many of these tools because the forgetting is so easy. Like the more of these tools that we have, [00:11:30] we can, try to stay more centered in that space whenever possible. [00:11:35] Supna Doshi: I think movement is also a big one for me. Recently I started running. Yeah. Because it was so bad for me because the forgetting was I had forgotten to such an extreme. I was like, okay, walking is not gonna cut it anymore. But I think movement is a good one. Why? Things like yoga and sports, and again, it's community activity so that you start to build that community. [00:11:59] Supna Doshi: But [00:12:00] those those activities of movement. Are really powerful and shifting energy within you and take the edge off so that it's not so intense. [00:12:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, and nature is a big one for me. [00:12:14] Supna Doshi: Nature is huge and we're blessed to live in, the sunny state of Florida where we can really relish the nature around us almost every day of the year. [00:12:25] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I think at times, for me, feels, I. And really what I mean, [00:12:30] what I'm sharing here is right, like the process of this path, which is I was gonna say, like it feels so frustrating for me. It's like I get how this kid feels, right? Like he's speaking our story, right? But like, how frustrating it feels sometimes that you can be at times in a place of such deep, like clarity, right? [00:12:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Or just knowing and that other moments. It just feels so darn hard and sticky [00:13:00] and frustrating and I, like I can see in me the part where part of the suffering is like my desire and yearning for continued clarity. For me to be in that space continually. But that's not where the learning is. [00:13:19] Supna Doshi: Yeah. And that's attachment too. [00:13:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Totally [00:13:22] Supna Doshi: being attached to that. I am totally attached to that feeling of bliss all the time. But there's no growth in that. Yeah, [00:13:30] I think another one obviously I can label healthy and unhealthy, but distractions sometimes for me when it gets super intense sometimes the distraction is just, it also helps to take the edge off if I can't. [00:13:44] Supna Doshi: The movement's not working or it's not helping or, the conversations, but I just slip back into that place. Sometimes they're just distractions for me. Like a really good book, like a really good saucy book. Sometimes it's [00:14:00] mindlessly scrolling. [00:14:02] Supna Doshi: Sure. Just to get my brain to stop for a little while. I think obviously there are some other ones that aren't great. Like the alcohol or the, it it depends on the use, but and no judgment, just for me they're not effective distraction. But yeah, distractions sometimes are good. [00:14:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I, yeah. I totally agree. There's so much in the world pulling for our attention on a, just like minute to minute [00:14:30] level, right? Our jobs and our families and, the things that we're trying to accomplish in the world can often feel like distractions. [00:14:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And again, I just often speak to like, how. The path of least resistance, right? Like the mind is gonna go to what feels easier, right? Like it, it just is we're just wired that way. [00:14:53] Supna Doshi: Yeah. [00:14:54] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And so why some of these practices can feel challenging or [00:15:00] hard, especially at the beginning, like just meditation, right? [00:15:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Anytime I'm trying to teach somebody some skills around meditation, it's but it's so hard. Yeah. It's supposed to be. And we do, we have this general aversion to hard, right? Like we do have, yeah, [00:15:15] Supna Doshi: I want it to be easy, [00:15:16] Dr. Carlos Garcia: right? Like we have a preference for, the good emotions and when things are easy and pleasant and I totally get that, [00:15:23] Supna Doshi: and I think the heart is just our own suffer. Like it's our own [00:15:30] creation, because. I want things easy, but if I can honestly, like objectively sit down I'm just making it hard on myself and that's why it's hard. Yeah. And if I can let go of that, then it would be easy, but that's too hard to do. [00:15:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Share with me your version of how you make it hard on yourself, because I know that I do that as well and I'm like really curious, like how that shows up for you. [00:15:57] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I think when we were talking about [00:16:00] role. I think I can really be self-deprecating. When it comes to my attachment to my role, then, oh, but if you don't do this, you're not a good daughter. [00:16:11] Supna Doshi: And, and it's not so much judgment from the outside. I'm not, I never have been somebody who's super attached to how other people see me, but how maybe my parents see me. Is probably the most attachment that I have is, oh, I always want to make them proud with my actions. [00:16:30] And so I get really grounded in that role. [00:16:34] Supna Doshi: And so when I'm trying to do something that maybe, for me that sneaks in and makes it hard. [00:16:41] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Beautiful. What [00:16:42] Supna Doshi: about for you? [00:16:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Two? Two, I think two big things that I've been able to notice. One is very similar to yours, right? My idea of my identity of who I'm supposed to be. I mean that in and of itself. [00:16:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then the piece is who I'm supposed to be [00:17:00] is, this human who is loving and caring all the time. And always offering of myself and leading with kindness and compassion and doing for others, which great, all great things. And part of what creates a lot of, I. Stress and challenges in my life. [00:17:19] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The other day I was reflecting on this and a series of questions came up that like I'm working through, but that like stopped me [00:17:30] in my tracks because to explore these fields, like really challenging to my ego. And so the questions were like, what if you can let go? Of the need to be of service to others. [00:17:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What if you can let go of the need to be relevant in the world and there's a part of me that like, doesn't even wanna explore [00:18:00] that. I'm just getting emotional, just like thinking about it. What do you mean? That's the identity I've been. Creating for myself my whole entire life. That is how people view me. [00:18:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That is what people expect of me. That is who I am as a husband and father and a psychologist. And like what, and the second one I think you're familiar with in Me, which is this storyline that I have had such a hard time breaking with over the years of my [00:18:30] life that things are supposed to be hard, that. [00:18:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: If I'm intended to grow or become less, more of anything, there needs to be a massive amount of friction for that to happen. And like that compel, that was the, that's what compelled me to choose the Marine Corps over any of the other military branches. 'cause I knew it was the hardest one. [00:18:53] Supna Doshi: Yeah. [00:18:53] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Why I chose the fire academy I went to why? I do a lot of things in my life because it's hard. Like I'm [00:19:00] intentionally like I know RDAs talks about putting yourself in the hottest flyers. Like sometimes I don't want to, right? Like I don't but because this is so attached to my identity, I remember taking a walk with you once and I was talking about going on a...
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THE Podcast - Attachment
05/06/2025
THE Podcast - Attachment
🎧 EPISODE 2: Attachment What happens when we get attached—to joy, to peace, to the idea that we should always feel good? In this episode of The Human Experience Podcast, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore the hidden ways attachment shows up on the spiritual path. From plant medicine journeys to emotional highs and lows, they reflect on the illusion of control and the deep wisdom found in surrender. 🌑 “If you’re going to have the light, you must also welcome the dark. They are one and the same.” Expect honest insights, personal stories, and teachings inspired by Ram Dass, Eckhart Tolle, and Michael Singer. This conversation is a reminder: our healing begins when we stop resisting what is. 💬 New episodes weekly. Your story matters here. #TheHumanExperiencePodcast #Attachment #SpiritualAwakening #ShadowWork #HealingJourney #Mindfulness #LettingGo #PodcastWisdom Attachment Transcript: [00:00:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia. [00:00:11] Supna Doshi: And I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers from Eckhart ToLLE to Ramdas Wayne Dyer, Michael Singer. [00:00:23] Supna Doshi: Together we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. [00:00:30] [00:00:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode will feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepened our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful experience. [00:00:47] Supna Doshi: So take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience [00:01:00] Podcast. [00:01:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: One of the other episodes I talked a little bit about my experience with Ayahuasca and two of the most powerful ceremonies. It was really interesting. [00:01:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: 'cause one was, if I can describe it as such, it was just like pure light. It was pure love. It was pure just bliss. It was like this ultimate experience of just connection and purity. Then the very next night, all of the opposite. It was darkness. It was [00:01:30] evil. It was I say at times like, like going to battle with my mind and like shame and the evil of humanity and the ways that we often have treated each other through time and just like a darkness that I didn't know my mind was capable of. [00:01:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But having come out of that hell the first sort of notion that arrived is oh, that too, right? If you're gonna have the other one, [00:02:00] this one's a part of it too. We are all of it. And although it often feels like there's a distance or that they're different I think the sort of resounding truth that arrived for me is like they're one and the same. [00:02:13] Supna Doshi: How are they one and the same? Because they don't feel one and the same. [00:02:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: When we bring it into the human experience the part of the human experience that, like where emotions are involved. Again, I'm [00:02:30] using challenges and joys or the ups and downs or the good and the bad, right? [00:02:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like that's the duality is that we're framing these things as one or the other. And I think in that is where we get lost. Like the experience that has been consistent for my clients this week is I just can't understand Carlos. I was just feeling great last week. Why am I here? I don't want to be here. [00:02:53] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And this is confusing and this feels horrible. And it feels sad and it feels. [00:02:59] Ram Dass: I [00:03:00] work with dying and I say, what should I tell people about dying? And he said, Ram Dass, tell them, tell people that dying is absolutely safe. Which is a just a wonderful one-liner. I think it's a, he said it's like taking off a tight shoe. [00:03:16] Ram Dass: So who would not trust somebody with likeness like that? So I asked Emmanuel, what am I doing here on Earth? Who made this error? And what am I? Why am I here? And he said, Ram Dass. He said you're [00:03:30] in school. Why don't you try taking the curriculum? Why don't you try being human? I never thought of that. [00:03:35] Ram Dass: Understand, because I was busy trying to be divine. And I thought that if somehow I did it all perfectly enough, I fasted long enough. I prayed hard enough that sort of era of my humanity would disappear and I would be divine. And what he said was, your freedom lies. Through your humanity, not in spite of it.[00:04:00] [00:04:00] Supna Doshi: I think when you described ayahuasca, like that was my juxtaposition was my pregnancy and then the postpartum, like that was my light and dark. And it was it was exactly how you describe it, like polar opposites, like you can't understand. But I think, like I find myself with my kids. A lot of times, like they'll say something oh, this was good or [00:04:30] this was bad. [00:04:31] Supna Doshi: And I'll say, it wasn't good or bad. It just was like, it's not good or bad, it just is. And that logical explanation Nation is so far removed from the feeling that it evokes. In us as humans that I think, like it's almost, we have to either be, we just have to be in our heart because our head doesn't get us there.[00:05:00] [00:05:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I, one of the clients I worked with this week had just experienced a psychedelic journey with mushrooms. One of the pig sort of moments of insight and awareness for him. It, it was this idea of the sort of evil in the world. But that's part of my humanity too. [00:05:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm capable of that evil too, that that lives inside of me too. But so does the beauty in all of the joy and like the love and the [00:05:30] compassion like that also. Yeah I mean I know that like for me. To make it a little bit more concrete For years I can see the ways that I pushed away, sadness, shame again these negative emotions. [00:05:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And it's, and that. Oftentimes in the pushing away, in the resistance that I created of not allowing that in, I created more suffering for myself. And that as I started to open [00:06:00] myself up to feel more of that when it arises. The most amazing part is that when joy comes and when gratitude comes and when like joyous things happen in life. [00:06:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My heart is able to experience it at a much greater degree. It's a reminder for me that I can't shut myself off to any of it. And that if if I rationally and logically, if I go into my mind and remind myself when [00:06:30] moments are really hard oh, let you know. So easier said than done, but this too, right? This is just another one. This is just another emotion. This is just another passing phenomenon. Just another thing that's gonna pass like this too, will go, this too is not here to stay. The trick is to then do that when things are going really well, right? Yeah. [00:06:53] Supna Doshi: To not attach to that. [00:06:54] Supna Doshi: The hi. Yeah. And to say this too will pass. [00:06:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Not so easy. Hopefully. [00:07:00] [00:07:00] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Not so easy. I think that's the human experience, right? We as humans, like I, sometimes I struggle with the conversation about the universe, and then I do believe in free will and choice. And so I think for me, that human experience of, and I've seen it in myself very recently, is I create my own suffering [00:07:23] Supna Doshi: and I create my own feelings that don't feel as good as the high, and that I [00:07:30] have a choice in that, and that it's my choice that I am making and that I can something different if I want to and if I wanna suffer for what's. [00:07:42] Supna Doshi: That thorn in your side where you know you, it hits you and then you don't let it pass through, and then it just stays there and it gets stuck and it grows. And there's also like the conversation about [00:08:00] the psyche and why is it that those. Quote unquote negative experiences are the ones that we will be playing in our head over and over again and continue to experience that suffering. [00:08:11] Supna Doshi: We don't do it with the good stuff. [00:08:14] Supna Doshi: Our brains just don't do it with the good stuff. [00:08:17] Michael Singer: This is the artwork of God. All of it. Everything. Do people, can you go into museums where the artwork is really dark? Somebody very depressed. Painted this stuff and they [00:08:30] sell for millions of dollars. What was called scream was that famous painting, right? [00:08:35] Michael Singer: You can't buy that thing for millions and millions of dollars. You understand that all of it is art. All of it. A rainy day is art. The sunny day is art. The hurricane is art. The tornadoes art is all expression. It's unbelievable. There are people really get off on chasing tornadoes. God is everything. [00:08:56] Michael Singer: Everything is God. It is the expression of the [00:09:00] divine force that is infinite. It doesn't have morality. What is morality? Something you made up in your mind? Oh, Mickey said we should be immoral. He did not do different cultures, have different morality, do different religion of different beliefs. Who's right? [00:09:14] Michael Singer: Nobody. It's not of the mind. [00:09:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I wonder how much of this plays a role. I think, at least for me, when I. In a moment or moments of suffering. It's almost like my mind [00:09:30] races to try and understand what's happening as much as possible. Almost like I imagine, 'cause a part of me wants to avoid it in the future if I can. [00:09:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What are all the things that culminated that happen that might be under my control so that this never happens again? [00:09:44] Supna Doshi: And just that from some of the reading that I did is evolution. Like it's that need to survive, so the survival instinct kicks in. And so how do I keep myself from [00:10:00] dying, right? [00:10:01] Supna Doshi: If I'm out in the Serengeti and oh, that's a lion and it's going to eat me if I don't do these things like over the course of evolution, maybe that's how our brain is evolved, and that's just what we continue to do until we choose a different path. Totally. [00:10:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. We spoke briefly about this earlier but it was just fascinating to watch even in the last, like 15 hours, so for about four days [00:10:30] leading up to Tuesday night, I was, I hadn't recognized it until I had a really good night of sleep on Tuesday night. [00:10:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I went to bed at seven 30 and got had dreams and every, like a really restful sleep. The clarity that I awoke with was like, oh, the last four days I've been feeling really tired, down. My thoughts have been negative. I've been feeling somewhat hopeless and seeing this pattern like really [00:11:00] clearly, but only from the clarity of that day with more rest oh, there's been a dark cloud just looming over me. [00:11:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That's not my norm. So then I spent all of yesterday like, oh this is amazing. As long as I get a good night's sleep most days and this is great. And just like feeling amazing all day, like on a high, like feeling hopeful and oh my God, all the things I'm gonna do in the next year. And [00:11:30] planning and just like feeling great. [00:11:32] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I had the best sessions with my, I was just on it. So I get home and I'm like, I tell my wife. I'm sleeping upstairs. I'm gonna get another good night's sleep. And the rest of the night was just one thing after another, right? Like I didn't get much sleep last night. And at one point it was like, the struggle, the mental struggle. [00:11:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Why is this happening? Why am I not falling asleep? I got my [00:12:00] earplugs in, I'm doing the thing I meditated. I, and then at one point I just started laughing and I'm like, oh, I see what's happening here. Brilliant until I was just like, okay I give in, right? I'm not in charge. I'm not gonna control this. [00:12:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Let me just and I ended up falling asleep to the mantra of just let go and surrender. [00:12:21] Supna Doshi: I think that for me like it is that just acceptance of what is and not trying to change what is, [00:12:30] and not trying to move out of the uncomfortable, but. I actually get excited about it because it means there's growth coming and it's that shift. [00:12:40] Supna Doshi: And I I do feel like from the human experience, those differences of yeah, if we can't appreciate the light, if there isn't darkness, we can't appreciate the joy if there isn't sorrow. But for me, I feel like maybe part of the journey [00:13:00] is. To remove all those labels and to just accept what is, no matter what it is. [00:13:06] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. There's this really interesting thing about that. I hear that right here and now I hear that it makes sense. It's brilliant. I preach this, I talk to my, all of my clients about this, and then we're in it. [00:13:20] Supna Doshi: Don't ask me, do it. [00:13:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And then we're in it and. Like from here from where I'm sitting listening to this yeah, I can totally [00:13:30] resonate with that. [00:13:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then sometimes we're just so deep in it and I think one of the things that I try to do not only when I work with others but I'm trying to do it more and more with myself, is when I'm in that space, right? That, again, negative or space of suffering. It's just a simple like acknowledgement. [00:13:52] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Of here we are. Like, it doesn't even have to be an acceptance of it or an appreciation of it, but just an awareness of, oh, like here it [00:14:00] is. I jumped on a call with a client yesterday that he was just going through it and I was like, how are you? And she was like the good thing is, and I was like, can let, I said, let me, let's stop. [00:14:12] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I said in my question of asking you how you are, I just asked you to be different. I just asked you to be somewhere different than where you were like, the programming in us was like, oh, you have to tell me how things are getting better or that this is in service of you healing or getting better, or whatever. [00:14:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I was like, what if we just [00:14:30] did not do that right now? What if we just are with what it's, and it was just like this sigh of relief yeah, that this doesn't need to be in the service of another thing. My sadness doesn't have to be, for me to heal my sadness, doesn't have to be so that I learn to be happier. [00:14:48] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My sadness. It doesn't have to be for anything, but I think we're so wired that way, a as society like to do, to achieve, to overcome, to, to figure out a way around, [00:15:00] over through. [00:15:01] Supna Doshi: And when it comes to other people, it's easy for us to do. It's the self-compassion that is hard. It is the, I actually. I was in an awful experience. [00:15:13] Supna Doshi: Again, for me it was an awful experience. It was awful. Yeah. And I found like I literally had to take myself out and pretend I was talking to somebody else who was going through that. [00:15:25] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. [00:15:27] Supna Doshi: And saying, Hey, your [00:15:30] thinking is not quite on point about this. You are.like you like it, it's. [00:15:38] Supna Doshi: Different when it's somebody else versus yourself. And and that self-compassion is really, it's brutal. But like, when you talk about like a therapist relationship or that's what my therapist does for me. She's there to say, because I do exactly the same thing. Oh yeah, I'm fine. And the good thing is and [00:16:00] I'm so grateful for, and she's like, all right. [00:16:03] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Okay. But now what, where are you actually right now? And I'm like, oh yeah, it's shitty right now. It's shitty. [00:16:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. [00:16:10] Supna Doshi: And that's okay. [00:16:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Just in my resp, like I, I'm catching myself right now as I was going to respond to what you just said and reinforcing further the message there. And I was like, oh, yeah. [00:16:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And for me the more I allow myself to do that, the quicker, which is a reality for me, the quicker [00:16:30] the emotion, whatever it is, moves through. But that shouldn't be the objective. [00:16:35] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I think that's it. I think that the attachment to the changing what is separate from what is actually the experience and how are we gonna let it pass through us. [00:16:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I like that. I love that. [00:16:48] Supna Doshi: So I think that, that's the difference [00:16:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: is yeah, [00:16:51] Supna Doshi: okay, yes, this is the experience and what do we need to do for ourselves to let it pass through us without being attached to the. To the feeling that I [00:17:00] don't want to feel this way. [00:17:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I think something I'm not good at reminding myself of, but again, in my work can preach this all day. [00:17:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I. And I think it's in the service of giving people a greater understanding because I know I can be hard on myself when I'm not pulling myself out of those spaces, those dark spaces. And I know that the thing I need most in that space is more love, not less, more compassion, more acceptance. [00:17:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But one of the things I'll often [00:17:30] share is like the strong pull. From society, from the day that we come into the world, right? To not ex to feel ashamed of negative emotions, to not experience them. Depending culturally the kind of home that we grew up in the places we were raised the messaging that was there that in a lot of ways has created this. [00:17:56] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I used the word shame, but like a shame around feeling [00:18:00] negative feelings. And so for a lot of us, if we grew up in a house where we were told not to feel or made to feel shameful about not feeling, then in a lot of unconscious ways, we started to hide those parts of us to put on a mask to, to, I say we created this monster in the closet. [00:18:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Emotion. So like the second a glimpse of it starts to arise, we panic [00:18:30] and all we want to do is just move quickly, run in the other direction. Because we haven't had the exposure, we haven't had the modeling. We haven't had the opportunities, the training, if you will, to be with those states. [00:18:46] Supna Doshi: I'm smiling because. [00:18:49] Supna Doshi: The other morning I took the triplets and my parents to breakfast, and one of the boys wasn't feeling great and he was getting more attention than the other [00:19:00] two. And at the breakfast table, the other two very vocally expressed how both grandparents and mom were playing favorites. Were giving attention to one child and not all three. [00:19:17] Supna Doshi: Were, they were expressing how they felt. And the look on my mother's face ly got defensive and I started laughing because that [00:19:30] is what I grew up in. [00:19:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. [00:19:34] Supna Doshi: And I said to her later, I said, it's not about you. They must have the freedom. And the confidence to express how they feel at any point in time because it's about them. [00:19:49] Supna Doshi: They are learning this tool of how to talk...
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THE Podcast - Awakening
05/06/2025
THE Podcast - Awakening
🌿 NEW EPISODE: Awakening 🌿 🎙️ Ep. 01 of The Human Experience Podcast is here! In this deeply reflective episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi invite you into a conversation about surrender, spiritual remembering, and the cycles of awakening and forgetting. ✨ “The forgetting is the remembering.” 🌀 Meditation, music, and presence become anchors in the human experience. 📞 Plus — we’re opening up our voicemail line! Call (800) 791-3884 to share your story, question, or insight with us. Your voice could be part of a future episode. #HumanExperiencePodcast #SpiritualAwakening #MindfulnessJourney #PodcastLaunch #ConsciousLiving Awakening Transcript: Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to THE Podcast – The Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I’m Dr. Carlos Garcia… Supna Doshi: …and I’m Supna Doshi. In this space, we’ll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers, from Eckhart Tolle to Ram Dass, Wayne Dyer, and Michael Singer. Together, we’ll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode, we’ll feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepen our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful existence. Supna Doshi: So, take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to THE Podcast – The Human Experience Podcast. [00:00:41] Supna Doshi: I think that's the power of surrender that is in the, in essence, when we can let go of our beliefs and our, uh, everything we've been taught and everything we've been told and everything we believe. Mm-hmm. Just the most miraculous things [00:01:00] happen they're noticing. And the funny thing to me, the funniest part is how easy it is to forget how quickly I can forget the magic of this and go straight back into my human, or, you know, there's so many different words for it being asleep or being human, or the ego voice or whatever it is where you. [00:01:24] Supna Doshi: I forget for a little while that, you know, like I lose my, [00:01:30] my, um, my balance isn't even the right word. Like, I just lose my sense of spirit for a while. [00:01:37] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I mean, I, I I really love what you said there. You like, fall back asleep. You just, you, you, you know, with some clients I describe it as like the, the system that. [00:01:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Pulls us away from remembering is so strong, right? Like it's just, maybe, maybe it's meant to be that way, but it's so strong, right? [00:02:00] Culturally, the messages, the, the, the desires that we're sort of right are just naturally built into us, right? Like just pulling our attention away constantly. Mm. You know, to the point where, you know, I'll say to clients like, this is my remembering. [00:02:17] Dr. Carlos Garcia: This is my remembering. The music is the remembering. The meditation is the remembering. The pictures I keep around me are the, remember, like, like you just, or at least my experience has been, you build [00:02:30] more and more frequent and, um, and, and just more in terms of you just more remembering, right? You just gotta, you just gotta keep. [00:02:42] Supna Doshi: Yeah, because it [00:02:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: so easy, [00:02:43] Supna Doshi: but it's so easy to forget. It's also so hard to stay in that space. [00:02:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Oh, so hard. Yeah. I mean, I, I, you know, I see why yogis go off and meditate for 20, 18 hours a day. Right? Like, [00:02:55] Supna Doshi: yeah, [00:02:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I get it. [00:02:57] Supna Doshi: And it was interesting 'cause I was listening to a [00:03:00] podcast by, uh, uh, Randolph the other day, and there was, it was like a q and a session, and the question was. [00:03:08] Supna Doshi: You know, how do you like how, why do we fall asleep and awaken and fall asleep and awaken? And his answer was that it is actually all part of the awakening process. [00:03:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The forgetting. The forgetting is the remembering. [00:03:25] Ram Daas: To the extent that you attempt to push away, falling back asleep, that is [00:03:30] already another asleep mechanism. [00:03:32] Ram Daas: But in a funny way to say, there's really nothing you can do about it because even your attempts to get out of it are all a certain kind of sleepwalking, but in the same moment, you can't not do something about it. So you do. You climb a mountain, you follow a path, you do any of the methods that you are attracted to, for example, quieting your mind. [00:03:54] Ram Daas: Or, um, opening your heart, uh, like [00:04:00] meditating or singing or going to church or service or whatever, or pitting the mind against the mind through Zen and Koans or whatever. All of it will push you and push you, but sooner or later you're gonna have to, you get trapped by your methods and they'll keep you asleep and you'll become a good meditator or, uh, you know, uh, I love Christ, but it'll be a sleep kind of statement. [00:04:24] Ram Daas: And then you'll have to let go of that one too. But all of these are useful techniques to [00:04:30] keep working and you've gotta hear what your own technique is. Uh, the first thing is not to be bugged about going back to sleep. Just experience that it was grace that, that that death allowed you to awaken for a moment because the minute you try to grab onto the memory of what it was, you're just holding onto an old dead butterfly. [00:04:51] Ram Daas: So you go back to sleep and then you wake up again. The fact that you're even asking that question is the awakening process at work. You have to stand [00:05:00] back one step further and see your whole life, the awakening and the going to sleep, all as awakening. Just get into a bigger time span and you'll be able to allow the dance to go on up and down and up and down, okay? [00:05:13] Ram Daas: But you have to listen for your own method, and people have unique methods that they will be attractive to them. [00:05:19] Supna Doshi: It's mind blowing. [00:05:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, [00:05:21] Supna Doshi: because I wanna know how it happened for you guys. [00:05:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. [00:05:24] Supna Doshi: How'd you get on this path? I remember, I remember like it was yesterday when we were [00:05:30] sitting in whatever cafe that was [00:05:32] Dr. Carlos Garcia: the broken yolk cafe. [00:05:34] Supna Doshi: The Broken Yolk cafe that I remember. [00:05:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, yeah. And, and we were sitting there and I must have just been in my tirade, right? Like, like I can, I can, I can familiar, I'm very familiar with this aspect of myself. I, I mean, 'cause I still experience it at times, just probably not to the same degree, but I think I was just spouting out like where I'm not yet, [00:06:00] like all of my frustrations about professionally and. [00:06:03] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like, what am I supposed to be doing? And probably something about financially not being somewhere and just, yeah. This like anxious, attaching, desiring energy, just kind of spilling all over the eggs, right? Like yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday. And you, um, during that conversation, um, suggested Mickey singer's the surrender experiment. [00:06:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um, in a couple of days or maybe some [00:06:30] weeks later, I, I, I bought it and started to read it. I, I wanna go back and read that book because I, I, I know that that was the beginning of the process for me of understanding that there was a world I can live in that wasn't driven from this angst. That wasn't driven from, from, from all of the messages I had received up till that point in my life about how you live a, a, a successful or fulfilled [00:07:00] or happy life, whatever, you know, whatever that thing is. [00:07:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um, and, and yeah, that, that book that sort of was, was that first. Sort of opening, right? That first sort of message that through letting go, we can arrive at a place of, of just greater peace, greater happiness, greater joy for our lives. And I think part of, you know. That spoke to me was how successful he became by letting go. [00:07:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I was like, oh yeah, this 'cause [00:07:29] Supna Doshi: [00:07:30] that's what I want. [00:07:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, that's what I want. So, of course, right. So yeah, it was the first step. That was the first step. Um, and then the, I think the thing for me that really just pushed it, uh, yeah, that, that just really, uh, where I went from knowing in my mind to knowing in my soul. [00:07:51] Michael Singer: I, I think the right place to start is not with what happened, but with the inner awakening that happened, and that is back in my twenties. I was [00:08:00] in graduate school finishing a doctorate in economics, and I woke up and I can't explain why or anything like that. I just started to see that. I was in here and that my mind was talking all the time, and that my heart was emoting these emotions and that I used to listen to all that. [00:08:19] Michael Singer: It used to be every reaction, every reactionary thing the mind did and the heart did. I would just be in there jumping, frail around, trying to be okay, and [00:08:30] I woke up one day. Alright. And started to watch that instead of be that while I'm taking my shower, I have entertainment going on inside my head. You know, somebody sitting there talking to me and then it didn't take very long for me to realize it really wasn't that entertaining. [00:08:45] Michael Singer: It was like pretty negative. It was mostly. The psychological mumbo jumbo, you know, insecurities and fear and defensiveness and, you know, finishing arguments that happened seven years ago are still going on in my head. You know, it was like, it was quite an [00:09:00] awakening and I realized that was always going on in there. [00:09:03] Michael Singer: I wasn't aware of it. I was too protective, too involved in it. Okay. And now I had woken up to a certain degree and so I looked at it and it didn't take me long when intelligent guy to realize, I don't think so. This is not a healthy thing to have going on inside. That's my inner environment. This is my sanctuary. [00:09:22] Michael Singer: I live in here, guys. Mm-hmm. Right. I don't want that going on inside of me. [00:09:26] Dr. Carlos Garcia: When I went to Costa Rica in [00:09:30] 2021, um, and spent a, a week at a, at a retreat center and practiced and, and, you know, did some, uh, ayahuasca, um, I talk about my ayahuasca experience. Well, the, the first thing I say is right, like, no, no words that I could ever. [00:09:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Use can really describe to any other human right, like there, there are no words and no languages, and there won't be for a very long time. That will describe what my experience was, um, [00:10:00] during those ceremonies. But, um, I describe it as it pulled me so far out of my reality, out of my, what I thought was knowing that I couldn't, like, it just, it, it, I couldn't help but understand that there was something different out there. [00:10:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Right. Something different energetically, something different spiritually. Um, yeah. And, and just like, oh, but it felt right on, right. Whatever it is, that thing that I was looking for, I found, and um, [00:10:30] you know, when something so profound, uh, speaks to you or you experience it in a way that it moves you to your core, that it moves you emotionally for me, um, that's truth. [00:10:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I equate that to truth and, um. Whatever I experienced during that week was, was just felt like truth. I remember walking away from those ceremonies and being like, oh yeah, this is what I was looking for. Or the beginnings of it. Right. I [00:11:00] remember one night after one of my ceremonies, like, you know, we, we talk about wanting to find peace, and I remember feeling, not thinking, feeling, oh. [00:11:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: There's nothing else I have to do. There's nothing else I have to plan. There's nothing else I have to organize. There's nothing else I have to become. There is nothing else to do. Like you've arrived, you're there. Just put one step in front of the other and enjoy the ride, and like peace, right? Like, not even like, just like freedom, like a deep sense of freedom. [00:11:29] Dr. Carlos Garcia: [00:11:30] And so in contrast to how I had been living up to that point, right where it was just. Again, this constant grind and this anxiety, and where are we going and how are we gonna get there? And how long is it gonna take? And what is it gonna be like? And just, you know, all of the things that the brain engages in as a process. [00:11:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And then, you know, back to what you were saying before, like the remembering, right? Then you come back. Mm-hmm. And you're back in it, [00:12:00] and you're around things that are triggering and you're back in society and you're back around, you know? Unhealthy foods and demands and, you know, that's, that's the integration process that they talk about that has been really, really challenging. [00:12:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Right. Yeah. To, to not forget that space that you experienced. I had a really, really dear friend that said to me during that week, um, that the biggest challenge I was gonna have is, is. The [00:12:30] furthest distance I was gonna travel was from the knowing here to the knowing here in the mind, to the knowing in the heart. [00:12:36] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And how would, how, how do we stay centered in the knowing in the heart? That was the beginnings, and I don't, I don't think I would've described it as an awakening, right? I, I think that that term gets used, um, well in a lot of different contexts and in a lot of different ways. Um. So, yeah, I, I think over the last couple years, it's like, was that an awakening? [00:12:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then while you're in it, [00:13:00] you're like the, there's no doubt, but, but there's the mind again, right. Trying to frame something and wanting to understand it instead of just being it. [00:13:08] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. Yeah. [00:13:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And [00:13:10] Supna Doshi: I think for me, like so many things, so number one is I feel like it's the planting of the seeds all along. [00:13:19] Supna Doshi: Like it was that first conversation and the, you know. Cafe and then it was something else that happened in your life and because something led you to Costa [00:13:30] Rica [00:13:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. [00:13:31] Supna Doshi: For that experience. [00:13:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. [00:13:33] Supna Doshi: And I think like that, uh, those planting of the seeds, they're so significant and insignificant at the same time that you, until you put your awareness to them, you don't understand them. [00:13:49] Supna Doshi: You don't see them. You. You don't have awareness of them, and yet it plans a seed in your heart that continues to pull you in [00:14:00] a direction where you know you're supposed to go. And so much of what we live is going against our intuition, not listening to our gut, not believing in ourselves, and not having the confidence to know that no, what we feel is right. [00:14:19] Dr. Carlos Garcia: A right. The, the first ceremony I had, right, the first really powerful experience with this plant medicine, the, the sort of experience was I get pulled, yanked out into the [00:14:30] middle of the universe. And the experience I have is like, oh, this goes in all directions forever. Um, just this like meeting with the idea of how expansive we are. [00:14:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then the next thing that happened was my entire life, um, like came before me, almost like a reel of a, of an old film, of a movie. It was like, oh, we spoke to you here. That moment where you were depressed and felt a little bit of sense of hope, [00:15:00] we spoke to you here. In this sentence, in that random book that someone suggested, we spoke to you here when we closed that door, that you were so frustrated you couldn't go in. [00:15:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: We spoke, right? Like it was just the, all the little threat, like to, to this moment where you are now look at and just like full tears, full weeping in gratitude of how I've been guided, right? But like with distance, with perspective, being able to see it all. [00:15:29] Supna Doshi: Mm. [00:15:30] [00:15:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: All the ways that the universe is speaking to us in every moment in one direction, [00:15:37] Supna Doshi: and it's through everything. [00:15:38] Supna Doshi: It's through others. It's through our experiences, it's through the book that we pick up and the page that we open to. It's to, you know, [00:15:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: a quote, the song [00:15:48] Supna Doshi: that comes on the radio. Yeah. [00:15:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Hearing about someone else's life experience that, you know, sent you in one direction or another. All of it. Yeah. [00:15:58] Supna Doshi: I know Mickey [00:16:00] Singer talks about, I, I call it I guess his awakenings or his, where his awareness of there is him and then there is the observer, and he describes it as just sitting on a sofa and realizing that. [00:16:15] Supna Doshi: Exist. And I think, um, you know, for whatever, whatever we're gonna call it, whatever it is, this, this bringing awareness to, or this awakening or whatever, I think like there's so many degrees of it. I've heard of it happening for a lot of [00:16:30] people through near death experiences. Where they almost die and then they have a spiritual experience and then they have the knowing and then they come back. [00:16:38] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. Anita or Johnny experienced that? [00:16:42] Anita Moorjani: You know, one of the biggest reasons that I'm happy to be here is because I shouldn't be alive today. I should have died on February the second, 2006. That was supposed to be my last day here in this physical life. Because on that [00:17:00] day, the doctors had told my husband and my family that I only had a few more hours to live. [00:17:06] Anita Moorjani: I was dying from end stage lymphoma, which is a form of cancer, of the lymph nodes. And on that morning, on February the second two, 2006, I went into a coma. The doctors had said, these were my final hours, because now my organs had shut down. My organs were failing, so my [00:17:30] family were told that if there was anybody that had to see me before I died, this was the time. [00:17:37] Anita Moorjani: Unbeknownst to everyone around me though, even though it appeared that I was in a coma and my eyes were closed, I was aware of every single thing that was happening. It felt as though I had 360 degree peripheral vision. I could see everything happening all around my body. [00:18:00] One thing that I felt in this amazing, expansive state, I felt I was in like a realm of clarity where I understood everything. [00:18:11] Anita Moorjani: I understood why I had cancer. I understood that I was much greater. In fact, all of us are much greater and more powerful than we realize when we are in our physical bodies. I also felt as if I was connected to [00:18:30] everybody. I felt as though my father was trying to communicate with me that it wasn't my time that I needed to go back into my body. [00:18:42] Anita Moorjani: At first, I didn't wanna go back because I still felt as though I had a choice whether to come...
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