THE Podcast - Attachment

🎧 EPISODE 2: Attachment
What happens when we get attached—to joy, to peace, to the idea that we should always feel good?

In this episode of The Human Experience Podcast, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore the hidden ways attachment shows up on the spiritual path. From plant medicine journeys to emotional highs and lows, they reflect on the illusion of control and the deep wisdom found in surrender.

🌑 “If you’re going to have the light, you must also welcome the dark. They are one and the same.”

Expect honest insights, personal stories, and teachings inspired by Ram Dass, Eckhart Tolle, and Michael Singer. This conversation is a reminder: our healing begins when we stop resisting what is.

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Attachment Transcript:

[00:00:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia. 

[00:00:11] Supna Doshi: And I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers from Eckhart ToLLE to Ramdas Wayne Dyer, Michael Singer.

[00:00:23] Supna Doshi: Together we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. [00:00:30] 

[00:00:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode will feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepened our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful experience.

[00:00:47] Supna Doshi: So take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience [00:01:00] Podcast. 

[00:01:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: One of the other episodes I talked a little bit about my experience with Ayahuasca and two of the most powerful ceremonies. It was really interesting.

[00:01:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: 'cause one was, if I can describe it as such, it was just like pure light. It was pure love. It was pure just bliss. It was like this ultimate experience of just connection and purity. Then the very next night, all of the opposite. It was darkness. It was [00:01:30] evil. It was I say at times like, like going to battle with my mind and like shame and the evil of humanity and the ways that we often have treated each other through time and just like a darkness that I didn't know my mind was capable of.

[00:01:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But having come out of that hell the first sort of notion that arrived is oh, that too, right? If you're gonna have the other one, [00:02:00] this one's a part of it too. We are all of it. And although it often feels like there's a distance or that they're different I think the sort of resounding truth that arrived for me is like they're one and the same.

[00:02:13] Supna Doshi: How are they one and the same? Because they don't feel one and the same. 

[00:02:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: When we bring it into the human experience the part of the human experience that, like where emotions are involved. Again, I'm [00:02:30] using challenges and joys or the ups and downs or the good and the bad, right?

[00:02:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like that's the duality is that we're framing these things as one or the other. And I think in that is where we get lost. Like the experience that has been consistent for my clients this week is I just can't understand Carlos. I was just feeling great last week. Why am I here? I don't want to be here.

[00:02:53] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And this is confusing and this feels horrible. And it feels sad and it feels. 

[00:02:59] Ram Dass: I [00:03:00] work with dying and I say, what should I tell people about dying? And he said, Ram Dass, tell them, tell people that dying is absolutely safe. Which is a just a wonderful one-liner. I think it's a, he said it's like taking off a tight shoe.

[00:03:16] Ram Dass: So who would not trust somebody with likeness like that? So I asked Emmanuel, what am I doing here on Earth? Who made this error? And what am I? Why am I here? And he said, Ram Dass. He said you're [00:03:30] in school. Why don't you try taking the curriculum? Why don't you try being human? I never thought of that.

[00:03:35] Ram Dass: Understand, because I was busy trying to be divine. And I thought that if somehow I did it all perfectly enough, I fasted long enough. I prayed hard enough that sort of era of my humanity would disappear and I would be divine. And what he said was, your freedom lies. Through your humanity, not in spite of it.[00:04:00] 

[00:04:00] Supna Doshi: I think when you described ayahuasca, like that was my juxtaposition was my pregnancy and then the postpartum, like that was my light and dark. And it was it was exactly how you describe it, like polar opposites, like you can't understand. But I think, like I find myself with my kids. A lot of times, like they'll say something oh, this was good or [00:04:30] this was bad.

[00:04:31] Supna Doshi: And I'll say, it wasn't good or bad. It just was like, it's not good or bad, it just is. And that logical explanation Nation is so far removed from the feeling that it evokes. In us as humans that I think, like it's almost, we have to either be, we just have to be in our heart because our head doesn't get us there.[00:05:00] 

[00:05:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I, one of the clients I worked with this week had just experienced a psychedelic journey with mushrooms. One of the pig sort of moments of insight and awareness for him. It, it was this idea of the sort of evil in the world. But that's part of my humanity too.

[00:05:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm capable of that evil too, that that lives inside of me too. But so does the beauty in all of the joy and like the love and the [00:05:30] compassion like that also. Yeah I mean I know that like for me. To make it a little bit more concrete For years I can see the ways that I pushed away, sadness, shame again these negative emotions.

[00:05:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And it's, and that. Oftentimes in the pushing away, in the resistance that I created of not allowing that in, I created more suffering for myself. And that as I started to open [00:06:00] myself up to feel more of that when it arises. The most amazing part is that when joy comes and when gratitude comes and when like joyous things happen in life.

[00:06:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My heart is able to experience it at a much greater degree. It's a reminder for me that I can't shut myself off to any of it. And that if if I rationally and logically, if I go into my mind and remind myself when [00:06:30] moments are really hard oh, let you know. So easier said than done, but this too, right? This is just another one. This is just another emotion. This is just another passing phenomenon. Just another thing that's gonna pass like this too, will go, this too is not here to stay. The trick is to then do that when things are going really well, right? Yeah. 

[00:06:53] Supna Doshi: To not attach to that.

[00:06:54] Supna Doshi: The hi. Yeah. And to say this too will pass. 

[00:06:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Not so easy. Hopefully. [00:07:00] 

[00:07:00] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Not so easy. I think that's the human experience, right? We as humans, like I, sometimes I struggle with the conversation about the universe, and then I do believe in free will and choice. And so I think for me, that human experience of, and I've seen it in myself very recently, is I create my own suffering 

[00:07:23] Supna Doshi: and I create my own feelings that don't feel as good as the high, and that I [00:07:30] have a choice in that, and that it's my choice that I am making and that I can something different if I want to and if I wanna suffer for what's.

[00:07:42] Supna Doshi: That thorn in your side where you know you, it hits you and then you don't let it pass through, and then it just stays there and it gets stuck and it grows. And there's also like the conversation about [00:08:00] the psyche and why is it that those. Quote unquote negative experiences are the ones that we will be playing in our head over and over again and continue to experience that suffering.

[00:08:11] Supna Doshi: We don't do it with the good stuff. 

[00:08:14] Supna Doshi: Our brains just don't do it with the good stuff. 

[00:08:17] Michael Singer: This is the artwork of God. All of it. Everything. Do people, can you go into museums where the artwork is really dark? Somebody very depressed. Painted this stuff and they [00:08:30] sell for millions of dollars. What was called scream was that famous painting, right?

[00:08:35] Michael Singer: You can't buy that thing for millions and millions of dollars. You understand that all of it is art. All of it. A rainy day is art. The sunny day is art. The hurricane is art. The tornadoes art is all expression. It's unbelievable. There are people really get off on chasing tornadoes. God is everything.

[00:08:56] Michael Singer: Everything is God. It is the expression of the [00:09:00] divine force that is infinite. It doesn't have morality. What is morality? Something you made up in your mind? Oh, Mickey said we should be immoral. He did not do different cultures, have different morality, do different religion of different beliefs. Who's right?

[00:09:14] Michael Singer: Nobody. It's not of the mind. 

[00:09:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I wonder how much of this plays a role. I think, at least for me, when I. In a moment or moments of suffering. It's almost like my mind [00:09:30] races to try and understand what's happening as much as possible. Almost like I imagine, 'cause a part of me wants to avoid it in the future if I can.

[00:09:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What are all the things that culminated that happen that might be under my control so that this never happens again? 

[00:09:44] Supna Doshi: And just that from some of the reading that I did is evolution. Like it's that need to survive, so the survival instinct kicks in. And so how do I keep myself from [00:10:00] dying, right?

[00:10:01] Supna Doshi: If I'm out in the Serengeti and oh, that's a lion and it's going to eat me if I don't do these things like over the course of evolution, maybe that's how our brain is evolved, and that's just what we continue to do until we choose a different path. Totally. 

[00:10:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. We spoke briefly about this earlier but it was just fascinating to watch even in the last, like 15 hours, so for about four days [00:10:30] leading up to Tuesday night, I was, I hadn't recognized it until I had a really good night of sleep on Tuesday night.

[00:10:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I went to bed at seven 30 and got had dreams and every, like a really restful sleep. The clarity that I awoke with was like, oh, the last four days I've been feeling really tired, down. My thoughts have been negative. I've been feeling somewhat hopeless and seeing this pattern like really [00:11:00] clearly, but only from the clarity of that day with more rest oh, there's been a dark cloud just looming over me.

[00:11:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That's not my norm. So then I spent all of yesterday like, oh this is amazing. As long as I get a good night's sleep most days and this is great. And just like feeling amazing all day, like on a high, like feeling hopeful and oh my God, all the things I'm gonna do in the next year. And [00:11:30] planning and just like feeling great.

[00:11:32] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I had the best sessions with my, I was just on it. So I get home and I'm like, I tell my wife. I'm sleeping upstairs. I'm gonna get another good night's sleep. And the rest of the night was just one thing after another, right? Like I didn't get much sleep last night. And at one point it was like, the struggle, the mental struggle.

[00:11:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Why is this happening? Why am I not falling asleep? I got my [00:12:00] earplugs in, I'm doing the thing I meditated. I, and then at one point I just started laughing and I'm like, oh, I see what's happening here. Brilliant until I was just like, okay I give in, right? I'm not in charge. I'm not gonna control this.

[00:12:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Let me just and I ended up falling asleep to the mantra of just let go and surrender. 

[00:12:21] Supna Doshi: I think that for me like it is that just acceptance of what is and not trying to change what is, [00:12:30] and not trying to move out of the uncomfortable, but. I actually get excited about it because it means there's growth coming and it's that shift.

[00:12:40] Supna Doshi: And I I do feel like from the human experience, those differences of yeah, if we can't appreciate the light, if there isn't darkness, we can't appreciate the joy if there isn't sorrow. But for me, I feel like maybe part of the journey [00:13:00] is. To remove all those labels and to just accept what is, no matter what it is.

[00:13:06] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. There's this really interesting thing about that. I hear that right here and now I hear that it makes sense. It's brilliant. I preach this, I talk to my, all of my clients about this, and then we're in it. 

[00:13:20] Supna Doshi: Don't ask me, do it. 

[00:13:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And then we're in it and. Like from here from where I'm sitting listening to this yeah, I can totally [00:13:30] resonate with that.

[00:13:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then sometimes we're just so deep in it and I think one of the things that I try to do not only when I work with others but I'm trying to do it more and more with myself, is when I'm in that space, right? That, again, negative or space of suffering. It's just a simple like acknowledgement.

[00:13:52] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Of here we are. Like, it doesn't even have to be an acceptance of it or an appreciation of it, but just an awareness of, oh, like here it [00:14:00] is. I jumped on a call with a client yesterday that he was just going through it and I was like, how are you? And she was like the good thing is, and I was like, can let, I said, let me, let's stop.

[00:14:12] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I said in my question of asking you how you are, I just asked you to be different. I just asked you to be somewhere different than where you were like, the programming in us was like, oh, you have to tell me how things are getting better or that this is in service of you healing or getting better, or whatever.

[00:14:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I was like, what if we just [00:14:30] did not do that right now? What if we just are with what it's, and it was just like this sigh of relief yeah, that this doesn't need to be in the service of another thing. My sadness doesn't have to be, for me to heal my sadness, doesn't have to be so that I learn to be happier.

[00:14:48] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My sadness. It doesn't have to be for anything, but I think we're so wired that way, a as society like to do, to achieve, to overcome, to, to figure out a way around, [00:15:00] over through. 

[00:15:01] Supna Doshi: And when it comes to other people, it's easy for us to do. It's the self-compassion that is hard. It is the, I actually. I was in an awful experience.

[00:15:13] Supna Doshi: Again, for me it was an awful experience. It was awful. Yeah. And I found like I literally had to take myself out and pretend I was talking to somebody else who was going through that. 

[00:15:25] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:15:27] Supna Doshi: And saying, Hey, your [00:15:30] thinking is not quite on point about this. You are.like you like it, it's.

[00:15:38] Supna Doshi: Different when it's somebody else versus yourself. And and that self-compassion is really, it's brutal. But like, when you talk about like a therapist relationship or that's what my therapist does for me. She's there to say, because I do exactly the same thing. Oh yeah, I'm fine. And the good thing is and [00:16:00] I'm so grateful for, and she's like, all right.

[00:16:03] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Okay. But now what, where are you actually right now? And I'm like, oh yeah, it's shitty right now. It's shitty. 

[00:16:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:16:10] Supna Doshi: And that's okay. 

[00:16:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Just in my resp, like I, I'm catching myself right now as I was going to respond to what you just said and reinforcing further the message there. And I was like, oh, yeah.

[00:16:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And for me the more I allow myself to do that, the quicker, which is a reality for me, the quicker [00:16:30] the emotion, whatever it is, moves through. But that shouldn't be the objective. 

[00:16:35] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I think that's it. I think that the attachment to the changing what is separate from what is actually the experience and how are we gonna let it pass through us.

[00:16:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I like that. I love that. 

[00:16:48] Supna Doshi: So I think that, that's the difference 

[00:16:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: is yeah, 

[00:16:51] Supna Doshi: okay, yes, this is the experience and what do we need to do for ourselves to let it pass through us without being attached to the. To the feeling that I [00:17:00] don't want to feel this way.

[00:17:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I think something I'm not good at reminding myself of, but again, in my work can preach this all day.

[00:17:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I. And I think it's in the service of giving people a greater understanding because I know I can be hard on myself when I'm not pulling myself out of those spaces, those dark spaces. And I know that the thing I need most in that space is more love, not less, more compassion, more acceptance.

[00:17:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But one of the things I'll often [00:17:30] share is like the strong pull. From society, from the day that we come into the world, right? To not ex to feel ashamed of negative emotions, to not experience them. Depending culturally the kind of home that we grew up in the places we were raised the messaging that was there that in a lot of ways has created this.

[00:17:56] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I used the word shame, but like a shame around feeling [00:18:00] negative feelings. And so for a lot of us, if we grew up in a house where we were told not to feel or made to feel shameful about not feeling, then in a lot of unconscious ways, we started to hide those parts of us to put on a mask to, to, I say we created this monster in the closet.

[00:18:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Emotion. So like the second a glimpse of it starts to arise, we panic [00:18:30] and all we want to do is just move quickly, run in the other direction. Because we haven't had the exposure, we haven't had the modeling. We haven't had the opportunities, the training, if you will, to be with those states. 

[00:18:46] Supna Doshi: I'm smiling because.

[00:18:49] Supna Doshi: The other morning I took the triplets and my parents to breakfast, and one of the boys wasn't feeling great and he was getting more attention than the other [00:19:00] two. And at the breakfast table, the other two very vocally expressed how both grandparents and mom were playing favorites. Were giving attention to one child and not all three.

[00:19:17] Supna Doshi: Were, they were expressing how they felt. And the look on my mother's face ly got defensive and I started laughing because that [00:19:30] is what I grew up in. 

[00:19:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:19:34] Supna Doshi: And I said to her later, I said, it's not about you. They must have the freedom. And the confidence to express how they feel at any point in time because it's about them.

[00:19:49] Supna Doshi: They are learning this tool of how to talk about their emotions. It's not good or bad. It has nothing to do with us. [00:20:00] Or our parenting or our grandparenting. It's not a reflection on you, it's just how they feel and it's okay. They have to know it's okay. They feel how they feel. There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:20:12] Supna Doshi: And it was such a poignant moment for me. Like she looked at me like first, like I had four heads, and then she got it and she was like, it has nothing to do with me. I'm like, no, I have to teach them this. She said [00:20:30] Okay. It was very powerful and I think we get, when we talk about wanting to get out of the uncomfortable, we are so much in our roles.

[00:20:43] Supna Doshi: I can't be a functional mother if I don't feel good. 

[00:20:48] Supna Doshi: If I don't feel, if I'm having a down day. I'm not such a great mom. Yeah. I may react and not respond. I'm not making, all [00:21:00] the food. I'm not as active or as helpful, and so I think in a way that societal pressure to not express our emotions and not feel the way we feel is because we can't really fulfill our roles.

[00:21:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:21:15] Supna Doshi: When we feel that way in, in its fullest, like I'm not my. I can't do everything that I normally do. Like you said when you were on your high and you're like, I can accomplish all these things. Oh, please. You can fulfill your role, at a [00:21:30] hundred percent and be a really great dad and a partner, and a therapist and a business owner, and a servant to others.

[00:21:37] Supna Doshi: Like we can perform at really high levels when we feel good, but when we don't, we can't do those things. And I think society. And our own egos in a way, want us to move out of those spaces as quickly as possible. Where the irony is that is where the most growth happens is in those spaces. [00:22:00] Yeah.

[00:22:00] Supna Doshi: The most soul growth. 

[00:22:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I think there's also a piece in there of guilt, right? Guilt when we're not showing up in the way we feel we should be, or, I mean there's a big should in there. And that's one, I, that's one I've been working on for some time. Because I don't even know if guilt is maybe the most appropriate label for this thing that we often feel.

[00:22:26] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Sometimes it can look like guilt but sometimes it's, this [00:22:30] just this like force that resides in me. Just nudges me, urges me in a different direction, in a direction of growth, productivity whatever. It's definitely not like I, I've worked with it enough to know, like the times I can recognize, the times that it's driven by a feeling of I'm not enough in the world.

[00:22:52] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm not doing enough. I can recognize when it's coming from some perfectionistic tendency to need to do, because then I feel [00:23:00] worth. But there are other times where I can strip it back far enough to where, again, it's not guilt, but it's oh, there, there's just a drive. There's an internal drive in me to move out of this state.

[00:23:13] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Almost like the drive that a child has to learn how to walk. Yeah. And then, and then I just get lost in my mind, trying to make sense of any of it and realize that that I'm, like you said earlier, I'm creating so much suffering for myself internally [00:23:30] by keeping myself here.

[00:23:33] Supna Doshi: I'm curious if that drive, because I feel it too, like that drive is a fulfillment of purpose, whether it's of the soul or the ego. I think that it depends on the person. Sure. And. Yet those moments are actually the largest soul growth, which while can feel very selfish. 

[00:23:55] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Oh yeah, 

[00:23:55] Supna Doshi: I need time for me is can be [00:24:00] a very selfish can feel very selfish.

[00:24:03] Supna Doshi: Because I'm curious, like you went home and told Christina like. We're gonna do all these things and I'm gonna get a great night's sleep, and I have all of these plans. When you don't feel that way and you need time away from your roles, do you share that to you and ask for support? 

[00:24:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. No, I'm not very good at that.

[00:24:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: As a matter of fact, as I was laying down, the first thought was like, why am I not spending time with my wife [00:24:30] and my child? Why am I being so selfish? That was the first thought, so I'm so glad you said that. And then had to like, okay, we, you're not selfish. Had to work through that one. 

[00:24:39] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Yeah. And as a mom with Yeah.

[00:24:42] Supna Doshi: Three children they call it mom guilt. Yeah. Every moment of every day. It is I'm sitting here doing this podcast. I have a sick kid. I feel like I should be on the sofa sitting with him. Yeah. There's that, that continuous, seesaw that goes on. [00:25:00] But I think, like for me, that has been one of my growth areas recently is just saying to my support system, Hey, I need time.

[00:25:16] Supna Doshi: I need somebody to help with this. Yeah. I need somebody to help with that. And that asking for help is, 

[00:25:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: yeah. 

[00:25:22] Supna Doshi: It's so hard to do. 

[00:25:23] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It's so hard. It's so hard. I was giving a talk recently on compassion fatigue. 

[00:25:29] Michael Singer: Yeah. [00:25:30] And here's 

[00:25:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: my understanding of compassion fatigue. We come into the world wired for empathy.

[00:25:41] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Compassion and you can see that in, in research that's been done with children as, as early as 18 months. Or kids playing in a, in a park and one of 'em falls and the others turn their attention. Or siblings do that often, or right, like they, they show empathy very early on.

[00:25:55] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So I know we're wired, we come into the world with that. We're wired for empathy. We're [00:26:00] wired for compassion. We're wired to want to serve others like that's not a thing about us that we can remove. I often share with people that sometimes if that was manipulated in some way in our homes growing up, then that's where the guilt comes in.

[00:26:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: If it's like, Hey, you're too much. Your dad's gonna get upset, or Look how you're making your brother or sister feel, right? If there was a lot of messaging around you. Your needs, how you're feeling and in collectivistic cultures that, that's [00:26:30] just part of how you grew up. 

[00:26:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That we develop this inner sense of like guilt for taking care of ourselves. Because it goes against the grain of what we're wired for, which is to love others, put others first. And so for me oh, it's an acknowledgement of I came into the world with empathy. Then I grew up in a home where like my needs were put aside because the adults in my home, their needs were bigger and grander and more prevalent in, in, in the [00:27:00] moment.

[00:27:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So the narrative that I. Sort of got indoctrinated into without even knowing it unconsciously was like other people always come first and don't you dare consider yourself because you're selfish. So while part of it is like overcoming the narrative, working through the guilt, like part of what I said in my talk is like the guilt is gonna be there.

[00:27:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It's working through it like that. That's the [00:27:30] work. That's the, what's the new narrative that you need to adopt and just working through that friction of knowing that yeah, when I take care of myself, I can be of better service to others, right? Like that's the way I can really align with it.

[00:27:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I don't know if it's the healthiest way, but oh, if I take care of myself, I can be there more for other people. Yeah. Are really good. So maybe I'll trick myself and do it that way. 

[00:27:56] Supna Doshi: Absolutely. I do that all the time. [00:28:00] Yeah. Yeah. I think it you're right, it is unlearning everything that we've been told.

[00:28:05] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:28:06] Supna Doshi: And Todd, yeah. And then defining for ourselves what our new internal narrative is going to be. And can part of that be a desire not to judge the way we feel. As good or bad. Yeah. But just to be in it and do what we need to allow it to pass through [00:28:30] without being attached to not wanting to feel that way.

[00:28:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Absolutely. There's this thing or this experience at times when either I'm going through it or somebody I'm working with is going through it and we, we remove all the narratives and all of the judgment. For the minute, for the time being and all of the expectations, and just allow ourselves to feel where we are.

[00:28:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I I don't know how you would describe, but for [00:29:00] me, I just feel like there's this just release, there's a letting go. There's a, this theme of returning back home oh, here, right? There's nowhere else to be, I'm in my truth right now.

[00:29:13] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That we can arrive there even in moments of great distress and great sadness, that there's this place this thing where it's just okay, and one of the things that I'm learning, [00:29:30] one that's, that's possible and that there's a method of arriving there. And if I can keep reminding myself more frequently of what those methods are.

[00:29:42] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Whether it's a thing I need to tell myself, a mantra I need to remind myself of coming back to the heart of sitting and just taking three deep breaths, a five minute meditation, whatever it is, that will just cue me back in to, [00:30:00] Hey, you're lost in the thought again, or You're lost in your pattern again, or You're lost in the right.

[00:30:05] Dr. Carlos Garcia: How do we come back home? It doesn't make it better. Maybe takes the edge off just for a moment, right? And sometimes that is just enough. Just what I need, just a breath. 

[00:30:25] Supna Doshi: And I saw that in reflection when my kids [00:30:30] were complaining at the breakfast table, and I just looked at them and I said. I understand that's how you feel, and thank you for telling me that is how you feel.

[00:30:42] Supna Doshi: And they visually took a deep breath and it was like, oh, I don't have to be anything different. I was heard, and it takes the edge off. [00:31:00] 

[00:31:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It makes me think of. How we can often be a reminder for each other that space exists. Yeah. Like in, in another human being, acknowledging where they are and just being okay with it.

[00:31:19] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That just like even as you were sharing that here a moment ago, I went into the space within myself that was just, it's right. 

[00:31:26] Supna Doshi: Yes. That. [00:31:30] And it's so funny for me, the ER winning, the P me keeps coming up in my mind, of where it's I'm just gonna sit here with you, er Yeah. You feel the way, you feel like there's no judgment around your emotions, and again, it's that reflection on self. Okay, let me not have judgments around my emotions. Let me find that space. 

[00:31:56] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I think that we can, [00:32:00] through our own work on ourselves, whether we know it or not, or can see it or not at times become a permission slip a, a vehicle for others surround us to, to do their work.

[00:32:17] Supna Doshi: And it is so visible in my experience over the last decade, 

[00:32:23] Dr. Carlos Garcia: is 

[00:32:23] Supna Doshi: how much my world is a reflection of my inner self.[00:32:30] 

[00:32:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I think that's probably possible for a lot of us. 

[00:32:38] Wayne Dyer: There was a friend of mine, her name was Portia Nelson. Portia passed away a few years back. She lived up in Seattle. And she was at a seminar and they ask her to, and they ask everyone to write on a five by seven sheet of paper or card the five chapters of their life.

[00:32:58] Wayne Dyer: They only wanted to give them [00:33:00] five by seven cards because they didn't want to get too wor wordy. And Portia Nelson sat down and wrote these words about the five chapters of her life, and I thought I would share them here with you. They're so beautiful. She said, chapter one of my life, I walked down the street.

[00:33:21] Wayne Dyer: There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in, I'm lost. [00:33:30] I'm helpless. It isn't my fault, and it takes forever to find a way out. Chapter two of my life, I walked down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again. I can't believe I'm in the same place. It isn't my fault, and it still [00:34:00] takes a long time to get out.

[00:34:04] Wayne Dyer: Chapter three of my life, I walk down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it there. I still fall in. It's a habit. My eyes are open. I know where I am. It's my own fault, and I get out immediately. [00:34:30] Chapter four of my life, I walked down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk.

[00:34:43] Wayne Dyer: I walk around it, chapter five of my life, I walk down another street. 

[00:34:55] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast, the Human [00:35:00] Experience Podcast. We're so grateful to have shared this time with you. 

[00:35:04] Supna Doshi: As we continue recording new episodes, we'd love to hear from you. Share your thoughts, questions, or topics you'd like us to explore and tell us about your own spiritual journey.

[00:35:15] Supna Doshi: We wanna connect with you. 

[00:35:17] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Give us a call at [phone] and leave us a voicemail. You might just be featured on a future episode of the podcast. 

[00:35:27] Supna Doshi: Thank you for being part of our community. [00:35:30] Until next time, keep walking your path with peace, love, and purpose.

 

 

Wayne Dyer: https://youtu.be/bP8moNSVkCs?si=wu6ZimgScYM4Q4BU

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