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🌿 NEW EPISODE: Awakening 🌿 🎙️ Ep. 01 of The Human Experience Podcast is here! In this deeply reflective episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi invite you into a conversation about surrender, spiritual remembering, and the cycles of awakening and forgetting. ✨ “The forgetting is the remembering.” 🌀 Meditation, music, and presence become anchors in the human experience. 📞 Plus — we’re opening up our voicemail line! Call (800) 791-3884 to share your story, question, or insight with us. Your voice could be part of a future episode. #HumanExperiencePodcast...
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🎙️ Ep. 01 of The Human Experience Podcast is here!
In this deeply reflective episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi invite you into a conversation about surrender, spiritual remembering, and the cycles of awakening and forgetting.
✨ “The forgetting is the remembering.”
🌀 Meditation, music, and presence become anchors in the human experience.
📞 Plus — we’re opening up our voicemail line! Call (800) 791-3884 to share your story, question, or insight with us. Your voice could be part of a future episode.
#HumanExperiencePodcast #SpiritualAwakening #MindfulnessJourney #PodcastLaunch #ConsciousLiving
Awakening Transcript:
Dr. Carlos Garcia:
Welcome to THE Podcast – The Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I’m Dr. Carlos Garcia…
Supna Doshi:
…and I’m Supna Doshi. In this space, we’ll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers, from Eckhart Tolle to Ram Dass, Wayne Dyer, and Michael Singer. Together, we’ll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery.
Dr. Carlos Garcia:
Each episode, we’ll feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepen our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful existence.
Supna Doshi:
So, take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to THE Podcast – The Human Experience Podcast.
[00:00:41] Supna Doshi: I think that's the power of surrender that is in the, in essence, when we can let go of our beliefs and our, uh, everything we've been taught and everything we've been told and everything we believe. Mm-hmm. Just the most miraculous things [00:01:00] happen they're noticing. And the funny thing to me, the funniest part is how easy it is to forget how quickly I can forget the magic of this and go straight back into my human, or, you know, there's so many different words for it being asleep or being human, or the ego voice or whatever it is where you.
[00:01:24] Supna Doshi: I forget for a little while that, you know, like I lose my, [00:01:30] my, um, my balance isn't even the right word. Like, I just lose my sense of spirit for a while.
[00:01:37] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I mean, I, I I really love what you said there. You like, fall back asleep. You just, you, you, you know, with some clients I describe it as like the, the system that.
[00:01:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Pulls us away from remembering is so strong, right? Like it's just, maybe, maybe it's meant to be that way, but it's so strong, right? [00:02:00] Culturally, the messages, the, the, the desires that we're sort of right are just naturally built into us, right? Like just pulling our attention away constantly. Mm. You know, to the point where, you know, I'll say to clients like, this is my remembering.
[00:02:17] Dr. Carlos Garcia: This is my remembering. The music is the remembering. The meditation is the remembering. The pictures I keep around me are the, remember, like, like you just, or at least my experience has been, you build [00:02:30] more and more frequent and, um, and, and just more in terms of you just more remembering, right? You just gotta, you just gotta keep.
[00:02:42] Supna Doshi: Yeah, because it
[00:02:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: so easy,
[00:02:43] Supna Doshi: but it's so easy to forget. It's also so hard to stay in that space.
[00:02:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Oh, so hard. Yeah. I mean, I, I, you know, I see why yogis go off and meditate for 20, 18 hours a day. Right? Like,
[00:02:55] Supna Doshi: yeah,
[00:02:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I get it.
[00:02:57] Supna Doshi: And it was interesting 'cause I was listening to a [00:03:00] podcast by, uh, uh, Randolph the other day, and there was, it was like a q and a session, and the question was.
[00:03:08] Supna Doshi: You know, how do you like how, why do we fall asleep and awaken and fall asleep and awaken? And his answer was that it is actually all part of the awakening process.
[00:03:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The forgetting. The forgetting is the remembering.
[00:03:25] Ram Daas: To the extent that you attempt to push away, falling back asleep, that is [00:03:30] already another asleep mechanism.
[00:03:32] Ram Daas: But in a funny way to say, there's really nothing you can do about it because even your attempts to get out of it are all a certain kind of sleepwalking, but in the same moment, you can't not do something about it. So you do. You climb a mountain, you follow a path, you do any of the methods that you are attracted to, for example, quieting your mind.
[00:03:54] Ram Daas: Or, um, opening your heart, uh, like [00:04:00] meditating or singing or going to church or service or whatever, or pitting the mind against the mind through Zen and Koans or whatever. All of it will push you and push you, but sooner or later you're gonna have to, you get trapped by your methods and they'll keep you asleep and you'll become a good meditator or, uh, you know, uh, I love Christ, but it'll be a sleep kind of statement.
[00:04:24] Ram Daas: And then you'll have to let go of that one too. But all of these are useful techniques to [00:04:30] keep working and you've gotta hear what your own technique is. Uh, the first thing is not to be bugged about going back to sleep. Just experience that it was grace that, that that death allowed you to awaken for a moment because the minute you try to grab onto the memory of what it was, you're just holding onto an old dead butterfly.
[00:04:51] Ram Daas: So you go back to sleep and then you wake up again. The fact that you're even asking that question is the awakening process at work. You have to stand [00:05:00] back one step further and see your whole life, the awakening and the going to sleep, all as awakening. Just get into a bigger time span and you'll be able to allow the dance to go on up and down and up and down, okay?
[00:05:13] Ram Daas: But you have to listen for your own method, and people have unique methods that they will be attractive to them.
[00:05:19] Supna Doshi: It's mind blowing.
[00:05:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah,
[00:05:21] Supna Doshi: because I wanna know how it happened for you guys.
[00:05:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:24] Supna Doshi: How'd you get on this path? I remember, I remember like it was yesterday when we were [00:05:30] sitting in whatever cafe that was
[00:05:32] Dr. Carlos Garcia: the broken yolk cafe.
[00:05:34] Supna Doshi: The Broken Yolk cafe that I remember.
[00:05:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, yeah. And, and we were sitting there and I must have just been in my tirade, right? Like, like I can, I can, I can familiar, I'm very familiar with this aspect of myself. I, I mean, 'cause I still experience it at times, just probably not to the same degree, but I think I was just spouting out like where I'm not yet, [00:06:00] like all of my frustrations about professionally and.
[00:06:03] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like, what am I supposed to be doing? And probably something about financially not being somewhere and just, yeah. This like anxious, attaching, desiring energy, just kind of spilling all over the eggs, right? Like yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday. And you, um, during that conversation, um, suggested Mickey singer's the surrender experiment.
[00:06:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um, in a couple of days or maybe some [00:06:30] weeks later, I, I, I bought it and started to read it. I, I wanna go back and read that book because I, I, I know that that was the beginning of the process for me of understanding that there was a world I can live in that wasn't driven from this angst. That wasn't driven from, from, from all of the messages I had received up till that point in my life about how you live a, a, a successful or fulfilled [00:07:00] or happy life, whatever, you know, whatever that thing is.
[00:07:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um, and, and yeah, that, that book that sort of was, was that first. Sort of opening, right? That first sort of message that through letting go, we can arrive at a place of, of just greater peace, greater happiness, greater joy for our lives. And I think part of, you know. That spoke to me was how successful he became by letting go.
[00:07:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I was like, oh yeah, this 'cause
[00:07:29] Supna Doshi: [00:07:30] that's what I want.
[00:07:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, that's what I want. So, of course, right. So yeah, it was the first step. That was the first step. Um, and then the, I think the thing for me that really just pushed it, uh, yeah, that, that just really, uh, where I went from knowing in my mind to knowing in my soul.
[00:07:51] Michael Singer: I, I think the right place to start is not with what happened, but with the inner awakening that happened, and that is back in my twenties. I was [00:08:00] in graduate school finishing a doctorate in economics, and I woke up and I can't explain why or anything like that. I just started to see that. I was in here and that my mind was talking all the time, and that my heart was emoting these emotions and that I used to listen to all that.
[00:08:19] Michael Singer: It used to be every reaction, every reactionary thing the mind did and the heart did. I would just be in there jumping, frail around, trying to be okay, and [00:08:30] I woke up one day. Alright. And started to watch that instead of be that while I'm taking my shower, I have entertainment going on inside my head. You know, somebody sitting there talking to me and then it didn't take very long for me to realize it really wasn't that entertaining.
[00:08:45] Michael Singer: It was like pretty negative. It was mostly. The psychological mumbo jumbo, you know, insecurities and fear and defensiveness and, you know, finishing arguments that happened seven years ago are still going on in my head. You know, it was like, it was quite an [00:09:00] awakening and I realized that was always going on in there.
[00:09:03] Michael Singer: I wasn't aware of it. I was too protective, too involved in it. Okay. And now I had woken up to a certain degree and so I looked at it and it didn't take me long when intelligent guy to realize, I don't think so. This is not a healthy thing to have going on inside. That's my inner environment. This is my sanctuary.
[00:09:22] Michael Singer: I live in here, guys. Mm-hmm. Right. I don't want that going on inside of me.
[00:09:26] Dr. Carlos Garcia: When I went to Costa Rica in [00:09:30] 2021, um, and spent a, a week at a, at a retreat center and practiced and, and, you know, did some, uh, ayahuasca, um, I talk about my ayahuasca experience. Well, the, the first thing I say is right, like, no, no words that I could ever.
[00:09:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Use can really describe to any other human right, like there, there are no words and no languages, and there won't be for a very long time. That will describe what my experience was, um, [00:10:00] during those ceremonies. But, um, I describe it as it pulled me so far out of my reality, out of my, what I thought was knowing that I couldn't, like, it just, it, it, I couldn't help but understand that there was something different out there.
[00:10:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Right. Something different energetically, something different spiritually. Um, yeah. And, and just like, oh, but it felt right on, right. Whatever it is, that thing that I was looking for, I found, and um, [00:10:30] you know, when something so profound, uh, speaks to you or you experience it in a way that it moves you to your core, that it moves you emotionally for me, um, that's truth.
[00:10:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I equate that to truth and, um. Whatever I experienced during that week was, was just felt like truth. I remember walking away from those ceremonies and being like, oh yeah, this is what I was looking for. Or the beginnings of it. Right. I [00:11:00] remember one night after one of my ceremonies, like, you know, we, we talk about wanting to find peace, and I remember feeling, not thinking, feeling, oh.
[00:11:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: There's nothing else I have to do. There's nothing else I have to plan. There's nothing else I have to organize. There's nothing else I have to become. There is nothing else to do. Like you've arrived, you're there. Just put one step in front of the other and enjoy the ride, and like peace, right? Like, not even like, just like freedom, like a deep sense of freedom.
[00:11:29] Dr. Carlos Garcia: [00:11:30] And so in contrast to how I had been living up to that point, right where it was just. Again, this constant grind and this anxiety, and where are we going and how are we gonna get there? And how long is it gonna take? And what is it gonna be like? And just, you know, all of the things that the brain engages in as a process.
[00:11:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And then, you know, back to what you were saying before, like the remembering, right? Then you come back. Mm-hmm. And you're back in it, [00:12:00] and you're around things that are triggering and you're back in society and you're back around, you know? Unhealthy foods and demands and, you know, that's, that's the integration process that they talk about that has been really, really challenging.
[00:12:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Right. Yeah. To, to not forget that space that you experienced. I had a really, really dear friend that said to me during that week, um, that the biggest challenge I was gonna have is, is. The [00:12:30] furthest distance I was gonna travel was from the knowing here to the knowing here in the mind, to the knowing in the heart.
[00:12:36] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And how would, how, how do we stay centered in the knowing in the heart? That was the beginnings, and I don't, I don't think I would've described it as an awakening, right? I, I think that that term gets used, um, well in a lot of different contexts and in a lot of different ways. Um. So, yeah, I, I think over the last couple years, it's like, was that an awakening?
[00:12:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then while you're in it, [00:13:00] you're like the, there's no doubt, but, but there's the mind again, right. Trying to frame something and wanting to understand it instead of just being it.
[00:13:08] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[00:13:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And
[00:13:10] Supna Doshi: I think for me, like so many things, so number one is I feel like it's the planting of the seeds all along.
[00:13:19] Supna Doshi: Like it was that first conversation and the, you know. Cafe and then it was something else that happened in your life and because something led you to Costa [00:13:30] Rica
[00:13:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah.
[00:13:31] Supna Doshi: For that experience.
[00:13:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah.
[00:13:33] Supna Doshi: And I think like that, uh, those planting of the seeds, they're so significant and insignificant at the same time that you, until you put your awareness to them, you don't understand them.
[00:13:49] Supna Doshi: You don't see them. You. You don't have awareness of them, and yet it plans a seed in your heart that continues to pull you in [00:14:00] a direction where you know you're supposed to go. And so much of what we live is going against our intuition, not listening to our gut, not believing in ourselves, and not having the confidence to know that no, what we feel is right.
[00:14:19] Dr. Carlos Garcia: A right. The, the first ceremony I had, right, the first really powerful experience with this plant medicine, the, the sort of experience was I get pulled, yanked out into the [00:14:30] middle of the universe. And the experience I have is like, oh, this goes in all directions forever. Um, just this like meeting with the idea of how expansive we are.
[00:14:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then the next thing that happened was my entire life, um, like came before me, almost like a reel of a, of an old film, of a movie. It was like, oh, we spoke to you here. That moment where you were depressed and felt a little bit of sense of hope, [00:15:00] we spoke to you here. In this sentence, in that random book that someone suggested, we spoke to you here when we closed that door, that you were so frustrated you couldn't go in.
[00:15:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: We spoke, right? Like it was just the, all the little threat, like to, to this moment where you are now look at and just like full tears, full weeping in gratitude of how I've been guided, right? But like with distance, with perspective, being able to see it all.
[00:15:29] Supna Doshi: Mm. [00:15:30]
[00:15:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: All the ways that the universe is speaking to us in every moment in one direction,
[00:15:37] Supna Doshi: and it's through everything.
[00:15:38] Supna Doshi: It's through others. It's through our experiences, it's through the book that we pick up and the page that we open to. It's to, you know,
[00:15:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: a quote, the song
[00:15:48] Supna Doshi: that comes on the radio. Yeah.
[00:15:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Hearing about someone else's life experience that, you know, sent you in one direction or another. All of it. Yeah.
[00:15:58] Supna Doshi: I know Mickey [00:16:00] Singer talks about, I, I call it I guess his awakenings or his, where his awareness of there is him and then there is the observer, and he describes it as just sitting on a sofa and realizing that.
[00:16:15] Supna Doshi: Exist. And I think, um, you know, for whatever, whatever we're gonna call it, whatever it is, this, this bringing awareness to, or this awakening or whatever, I think like there's so many degrees of it. I've heard of it happening for a lot of [00:16:30] people through near death experiences. Where they almost die and then they have a spiritual experience and then they have the knowing and then they come back.
[00:16:38] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. Anita or Johnny experienced that?
[00:16:42] Anita Moorjani: You know, one of the biggest reasons that I'm happy to be here is because I shouldn't be alive today. I should have died on February the second, 2006. That was supposed to be my last day here in this physical life. Because on that [00:17:00] day, the doctors had told my husband and my family that I only had a few more hours to live.
[00:17:06] Anita Moorjani: I was dying from end stage lymphoma, which is a form of cancer, of the lymph nodes. And on that morning, on February the second two, 2006, I went into a coma. The doctors had said, these were my final hours, because now my organs had shut down. My organs were failing, so my [00:17:30] family were told that if there was anybody that had to see me before I died, this was the time.
[00:17:37] Anita Moorjani: Unbeknownst to everyone around me though, even though it appeared that I was in a coma and my eyes were closed, I was aware of every single thing that was happening. It felt as though I had 360 degree peripheral vision. I could see everything happening all around my body. [00:18:00] One thing that I felt in this amazing, expansive state, I felt I was in like a realm of clarity where I understood everything.
[00:18:11] Anita Moorjani: I understood why I had cancer. I understood that I was much greater. In fact, all of us are much greater and more powerful than we realize when we are in our physical bodies. I also felt as if I was connected to [00:18:30] everybody. I felt as though my father was trying to communicate with me that it wasn't my time that I needed to go back into my body.
[00:18:42] Anita Moorjani: At first, I didn't wanna go back because I still felt as though I had a choice whether to come back or not. So at first, I absolutely did not wanna go back into my body because I couldn't see a single good reason to go back into this sick and dying body. I was a burden [00:19:00] on my family. I was suffering.
[00:19:02] Anita Moorjani: There was no good reason. So I didn't wanna go back. But in the next instant, it felt as if I completely understood that. Now that I knew what I knew, and because I understood what caused the cancer, I knew that if I chose to go back to my body, my body would heal very, very quickly. And so in that moment. [00:19:30] I made the decision to go back and I heard as though my father and my best friend said to me, now that you know the truth of who you really are, go back and live your life.
[00:19:41] Anita Moorjani: Fearlessly.
[00:19:44] Supna Doshi: Unusual one that I've heard of, Byron Katie, where she just was at such a low and a cockroach crawled across her toe, and that was her moment. Mm-hmm.
[00:19:55] Byron Katie: As I lay on the floor on actually a cockroach crawled [00:20:00] over my foot and I opened my eyes and inplace of all that darkness was a joy. And I, um, I've always had difficulty speaking to that.
[00:20:12] Byron Katie: I think it's better lived.
[00:20:14] Supna Doshi: For me it was, and in hindsight I can see all the seeds, but for me the moment I had a moment and it. After 10 years of trying to get pregnant, when I went into the fertility [00:20:30] center and I had told the nurse, I said, I am not taking a pregnancy test. Like I'm gonna sit here and you are gonna break my heart in front of me and tell me that I'm not having a child, that I'm not pregnant because I'm not gonna do it alone.
[00:20:43] Supna Doshi: And when I went in to get tested and she drew my blood. And she like yelled at the top of her lungs in the room. She was like, you are so pregnant. And it was a joy I [00:21:00] think, that I felt. I didn't know existed and it filled my body with light. Like I felt like I was a glowing Michelin man walking around.
[00:21:12] Supna Doshi: And that voice, that ego voice, that whatever it is that's in the mind like disappeared because there was so much light there, it had no place to. So, and that was my experience for my entire pregnancy. I tried for 10 [00:21:30] years, uh, infertility treatments, and I mean, God, just anything that you could think of, you know, and it wa and it goes back to the idea that what I was taught was that you grow up, you get an education, you get married, you have children.
[00:21:49] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Mm-hmm.
[00:21:50] Supna Doshi: That is your role. That is your job. And now I can't do my job. Yeah. And I don't know why. And it was such, [00:22:00] um, it's such a disservice that we do to the women in our society to define them mm-hmm. By their ability to carry children. Yeah. Um, but it is something that was, you know, ingrained in me and it was something that I believed wholeheartedly.
[00:22:22] Supna Doshi: And so that's why I kept going for 10 years through all this torture and everything. But then to get to that moment where [00:22:30] she said it was all it went from, I don't believe you or I can't quite believe you, to a I know. And it was like a light switch that went from the head to the heart for me and, but.
[00:22:48] Supna Doshi: That experience. So it was a one moment experience, but it lasted the entirety of my pregnancy. It was like, I remember walking around. I mean, [00:23:00] I had swollen feet and um, throwing up everywhere and this rash around my belly and like I shoulda been the most miserable. The told me one, my kids had a heart. At one point I was sitting in my boss's office with my feet up on a chair 'cause they were so swollen and he was yelling at me because of something and like I literally [00:23:30] was laughing out loud.
[00:23:32] Supna Doshi: Yeah. At the absurdity of what we do to each other. Because I knew, I was like, oh, none of this matters. Yeah. Like everything's gonna be fine. None of it matters. You can do whatever you want. Like I just know. And
[00:23:48] Dr. Carlos Garcia: you have three beautiful triplets now?
[00:23:52] Supna Doshi: I do. And I almost wonder if in some ways it is kind of like an ayahuasca experience, just because when you get pregnant, [00:24:00] all of those hormones and those chemicals are like.
[00:24:04] Supna Doshi: So intense because once the epidural went in, the light went out. I felt it. That's amazing. I knew exactly the moment when it happened, and I know exactly the moment when it left,
[00:24:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: you know, because we're talking about these sort of awakening moments. Right. And um, I, I think one of the things I've heard. Um, right.
[00:24:26] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. The cockroach crawling, right? Finding out that you're pregnant, the, the [00:24:30] cockroach crawling over your toe. Uh, um, I've heard sort of deep depression episodes, right? Like a, a vehicle accident. Like there's so many ways in which we can potentially awaken or that people have awakened, right? Mm-hmm. Which to me is, um, I think that's valuable and important because, um, we don't know.
[00:24:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It, you don't have to move to the Himalayas and meditate, you know, for 30 years in a, in a mountain by yourself. Right. Like that, that, that's one [00:25:00] of the ways. But, um, when you, when you have this experience, do you, like, do you understand what was happening for you? Like, did you, like, oh yeah, this is, I mean, how did you.
[00:25:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What was happening? Were you able to, did it come later?
[00:25:17] Supna Doshi: Yeah, I had no idea what was happening again, because I wasn't, in my mind, I was in my heart and for that entire time, and it was just like I couldn't go to my mind. Oh, I couldn't try to rationalize anything because. [00:25:30] That didn't exist. My human was like gone for a while.
[00:25:33] Supna Doshi: It was my spirit had taken over my body. It was like you just sit back and relax. I've got this. We can grow three babies and we'll take, uh, the universe is perfect. Like your universe is perfect. You just relax. Yeah. It was when the light went out, um, and the postpartum depression. Sunk in. Mm-hmm. Which, like you talked about the reintegration
[00:25:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: mm-hmm.
[00:25:58] Supna Doshi: Of after an [00:26:00] experience like that, that was the worst darkness I had ever experienced. Yeah. And that worst darkness that I had ever experienced was the exact opposite. My spirit was gone
[00:26:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: and
[00:26:14] Supna Doshi: all I felt was thanking them.
[00:26:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Mm-hmm.
[00:26:16] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. But I had these three amazing babies. And so it was like they were the reminder
[00:26:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: mm-hmm.
[00:26:23] Supna Doshi: That it had happened, that I could believe that it had existed. Um, and it was in [00:26:30] that, that it was possible. Exactly. And it was in that darkness. When I was scrolling Facebook, when I came across a singer video interview with Oprah, where he was talking about the experience I had had during my pregnancy, and again, it was another seed, it was another, you know, message from the universe that, no, this happened, and hey, you can actually do the work to get back to it.
[00:26:56] Supna Doshi: Now, I gave you a gift. It was almost like, here's, here's a [00:27:00] gift. Here, here's a taste. Yeah. Here's your, uh, appetizer. And so now you can choose,
[00:27:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: yeah,
[00:27:09] Supna Doshi: you have a choice. Do you want to choose that or do you wanna choose something else? Like it's your choice. And so when I saw, when I heard him talking about it, that is when I started reading his books and said, okay.
[00:27:23] Supna Doshi: I can, I know he experienced it and I know he wasn't pregnant, so I like, okay, this [00:27:30] happens to other people too. And then I can just find a set of tools for myself to, you know, to be able to maybe not get back there, but at least to work my way in that direction. That is my choice and that's what I choose to do.
[00:27:45] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Say in several years since, um, coming back from. My retreat retreat, um, more and more frequently at, at first the, these moments felt, [00:28:00] um, sort of very, uh, random and, and distant, but, um, moments where I've experienced life with such gratitude, right? With such peace, with just like, it, like almost that it, it brings me back to that place.
[00:28:16] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like I, I, I, I. Fall down to my knees and, and just arrive again and feel, I mean, gratitude is, you know, like it's not even, it's not even a word to really [00:28:30] describe what it feels like in that space. Um, it's just this deep knowing, this deep inner peace. Um, and you know, when I say random, I, I remember, this is probably about a year ago now.
[00:28:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I don't know, you know, I'm not sure what sort of drove this, but not, not, not even that it matters, but I remember, um, driving into work one morning and I was at a a, at a traffic light, um, one that I had, you know, [00:29:00] drive every morning. Right. And there was a, a homeless, um, individual asking, or no, he was selling like these little straw crosses.
[00:29:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And, you know, I'd seen him there a million times. And on this particular morning, you know, just, I, I was, I was feeling deeply grateful for the things in my life. And, um, I pull out a $20 bill and I, I, you know, sort of honk my horn so he can come over. And I gave him the [00:29:30] money and he went to give me the cross and I said, hold on to it.
[00:29:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um. I was like, hold on to it and, and just, you know, maybe somebody else needs it a little bit more than I do today. And that was the end of the interaction, right? And then I saw him sort of come, you know, behind my car. Then he came around and came back to my window and he said, why did you do that? And I said, um, I said, I just sort of felt compelled, right.[00:30:00]
[00:30:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Looking into each other's eyes, appreciating kindness for that one little moment, which I don't imagine often he experienced. Or that often a lot of us experience this moment of connection with another human being like, Hey, I see you. And as the light turned green and I started to drive away, I had to pull over because this energy just poured into me so strong.
[00:30:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I couldn't, like, I, I couldn't drive, like I [00:30:30] had to pull over and just weep with, with joy, those reminders, right? It was like, keep going. And, um, yeah, those, those, um, you, you know, you were talking about the path, the things that we can do that move us in that direction or, or not even move us in that direction and bring us back home.
[00:30:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Um, and you know, like, you know, when you come back home, it's just that feeling of being, and that's, you know, Ronda talks about [00:31:00] this when, when he sort of had this experience in his life, like there's no other game in town now. There's nothing else to do. I just wanna keep doing the things, the practices, the, you know, whatever those things are to keep coming back to that place.
[00:31:16] Supna Doshi: One of the things Wayne Dyer talks about is, uh, when, when, uh, when we can see the child and how the child is, is, uh, how the child [00:31:30] grows. We forget, we had nothing to do with it. We did not go in and put those child's eyes where they're, or that knows where it's, we did not tell its heart how to beat. We did not tell the veins and arteries which ways to go.
[00:31:48] Supna Doshi: And then when the child is born, how. Insignificant. We make the miracle that just happened and think that we can take control and we can [00:32:00] take over and we could do better. And I think that, that, uh, it's those seeds, they exist everywhere in our life. Like you said, looking at another human being in the eyes and looking past what they're wearing and what the color of their skin is and what their hair looks like, and actually looking into their soul and smiling.
[00:32:21] Supna Doshi: In one second of any day, you meet God no matter who. It's, and I think [00:32:30] it's the reminder that we have the choice to do those things in every moment of every day. We are making our own choices of, of how we wanna live and who we wanna be and if we wanna go home.
[00:32:42] Wayne Dyer: Yeah. There was a friend of mine, her name was Portia Nelson.
[00:32:48] Wayne Dyer: Portia passed away a few years back. She lived up in Seattle and she was at a seminar and they asked her to, and they asked everyone to write on a five by seven sheet of [00:33:00] paper or card, uh, the five chapters of their life. They only wanted to give them five by seven cards because they didn't want 'em get too wor wordy and Portia Nelson sat down and wrote these words.
[00:33:15] Wayne Dyer: About the five chapters of her life, and I thought I would share them here with you. They're so beautiful. She said, chapter one of my life, I walk down the street, there's a deep [00:33:30] hole in the sidewalk. I fall in, I am lost. I'm helpless. It isn't my fault, and it takes forever to find a way out. Chapter two of my life, I walk down the same street.
[00:33:52] Wayne Dyer: There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again, it's, [00:34:00] I can't believe I'm in the same place. It isn't my fault, and it still takes a long time to get out Chapter three of my life. I walk down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it there. I still fall in.
[00:34:27] Wayne Dyer: It's a habit. My eyes are [00:34:30] open. I know where I am. It's my own fault, and I get out immediately. Chapter four of my life. I walk down. The same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it. Chapter five of my life, I walk down [00:35:00] another street.
[00:35:03] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast.
[00:35:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: We're so grateful to have shared this time with you.
[00:35:11] Supna Doshi: As we continue recording new episodes, we'd love to hear from you. Share your thoughts, questions, or topics you'd like us to explore and tell us about your own spiritual journey. We wanna connect with you.
[00:35:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Give us a call at (800) 791-3884 and leave us a [00:35:30] voicemail.
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[00:35:35] Supna Doshi: Thank you for being part of our community. Until next time, keep walking your path with peace, love, and purpose.
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