Sales Reinvented

We at Sales Reinvented are on a mission to change the negative perception of sales people. Each week we will be interviewing experts in the field of sales and sharing their knowledge, ideas and expertise with our listeners. They share with us in our vision of a world where selling is a profession to be proud of. The aim of our formatted show is to provide ‘snackable’ episodes that are short enough to listen to in one sitting but long enough to provide real value that will help you in your sales career. Welcome to the Sales Reinvented Podcast.

Self-Persuasion for Salespeople, Ep #467 08/13/2025

Self-Persuasion for Salespeople, Ep #467 I welcome back renowned persuasion expert and bestselling author Jay Heinrichs. Jay, widely celebrated for his book “Thank You for Arguing,” returns to share insights from his latest book: “Aristotle’s Guide to Self-Persuasion: How Ancient Rhetoric, Taylor Swift, and Your Own Soul Can Help You Change Your Life.” Jay dives into the personal journey that inspired the book—a year-long experiment where he applied the classical tools of rhetoric not just to business or negotiation, but to overcoming his own struggles with motivation, self-doubt, and a significant physical setback. Using a daunting mountain-running challenge as the backdrop, Jay explores how reframing your internal dialogue and negotiating with your mind and body can lead to surprising breakthroughs, both professionally and personally. Outline of This Episode [03:41] How Jay improved his negotiation skills through personal adversity. [07:04] An overview of mastering negotiation skills overview. [10:22] Honing negotiation skills while coping with chronic pain and limited mobility. [15:37] Evaluate desires vs. needs, question materialism, and align actions with one's true self for self-worth and persuasion. [19:04] Ancient Greeks explored self-dialogue, changing negative self-talk, and reframing thoughts can improve one's mindset. [23:32] Mind training is the practice of convincing your body to go beyond its perceived limits. The Art of Persuading Yourself After years spent teaching organizations how to persuade, he was challenged to turn those tools inward during a period marked by low motivation, self-pity, and a debilitating physical ailment. Jay explains how much harder it is to separate yourself as a negotiator and client when you are both the persuader and the persuaded. Inspired by Aristotle’s teachings and his desire for change, Jay embarked on an experiment: Could the classical tools of rhetoric, updated for the modern age, help him overcome deep-seated doubts and achieve what seemed impossible? The Self-Persuasion Experiment The crux of Jay’s journey was a literal mountain—Mount Moosilauke in New Hampshire, an Olympic training ground with a 3.7-mile run and a 2,800-foot elevation gain. At nearly 58 years old, told by doctors he might never walk again, Jay set a goal to become the first person over 50 to “run his age” up the mountain, climbing it in fewer minutes than his age in years. The process was nothing short of transformational. It demanded significant lifestyle changes: losing an eighth of his body weight, training for hours each day, giving up alcohol, and enduring a groundbreaking (and painful) medical procedure. As he struggled to reach his goal, Jay leaned on rhetorical strategies—not just to stay motivated, but to redefine his relationship with challenge, pain, and self-doubt. Reframing Reality Through Rhetoric One of the episode’s standout lessons is the power of “reframing”—a quintessential rhetorical move. Jay describes how hyperbole, often dismissed as mere exaggeration, can become a tool for motivation: “What if you can believe in throwing something beyond yourself and then chase after it like a dog after a ball?” In this way, ambitious (even seemingly impossible) goals can become motivational hyperboles, stretching our perceived limits and moving us beyond inertia. He also draws from Aristotle’s lesser-known work, On the Soul. Here, the concept of the “ideal self” or “soul” becomes the internal audience you must convince. The three classical elements of ethos—craft, caring, and cause—become the benchmarks of persuasion, not just with others, but with that idealized version of yourself. Negotiation as a Daily Practice Whether you’re persuading a client, navigating a difficult deal, or pushing your limits in training, the process is the same: a series of negotiations with your goals, excuses, fears, and aspirations. Jay’s year of self-persuasion wasn’t about achieving physical greatness; it was about discovering happiness and gratitude, negotiating, ultimately, for a better relationship with oneself. Watts highlights the universal nature of this lesson, referencing cinematic moments of grit and perseverance, and reminds us that the real challenge is not just winning the deal, but winning yourself over, again and again. Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Jay Heinrichs Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37157075

The Power of Emotional Control in High-Stakes Negotiations, Ep #466 08/06/2025

The Power of Emotional Control in High-Stakes Negotiations, Ep #466 Drawing from over three decades of experience coaching high-stakes deals, my guest on the Sales Reinvented show, Jim Camp Jr., shares how the Camp System helps organizations avoid unnecessary compromise while improving their negotiation outcomes. He unpacks the key differences between strategy and tactics, reveals his go-to approach for handling emotionally charged negotiations, and explains why internal alignment and embracing problems are critical for successful outcomes. He also discusses the importance of planning, emotional control, and treating your counterpart with respect—even permiting them to say no. Outline of This Episode [05:49] Plan each negotiation, focus on understanding the opponent, modify goals, and respect their right to veto to lower emotions [07:33] Planning provides a systematic approach and emotional edge despite unexpected challenges [10:51] Understand the client's needs, budget, and decision-making process before presenting. [15:29] Don't fear last-minute offers or rejections; they're preferences, not decisions. [17:07] Focus on uncovering the true motivations behind procurement negotiations. [20:44] Focus on addressing the client's vision, budget, decision-making, and challenges for a deal that finalizes naturally. [25:16] Challenge and adapt your sales behavior for improvement. Why Systems Outperform Gut Instincts One major theme Jim emphasizes is the value of a systematic approach. The Camp System of negotiation, developed by Jim Camp Sr., has shaped negotiation successes for decades. Why does systemization matter so much in high-stakes negotiations? It all comes down to emotional control. “The higher the stakes, the more emotional both sides become,” Jim points out. A clear framework keeps you focused, reduces the risk of irrational decision-making, and helps you recover when negotiations veer off course. Key elements include: Framing the right mindset before you enter the negotiation. Methodically planning every meeting and communication. Debriefing after each interaction to assess what worked and what needs adjustment. This careful planning doesn’t eliminate surprises, but it ensures you’re better equipped to handle them as they arise. Top Negotiation Tactics That Build (Not Break) Trust While Jim pushes back on the idea of “leverage” as a goal, he offers three core tactics that foster trust and effectiveness: Internal Alignment: Before any negotiation starts, make sure your own team is unified in objectives and understands what success looks like. Iterative Planning: Don’t treat negotiation as a single event. Plan each conversation with the other party’s motivations and decision-making process in mind. Respect the Right to Veto: Openly acknowledge your counterpart’s right to say “no.” Paradoxically, this lowers tension, builds trust, and leads to more honest discussions. This approach is not just respectful but also strategic. When clients feel safe to say no, they’re less defensive and more open to exploring mutually beneficial solutions. Why Planning and Emotional Control Are Negotiation Superpowers Jim draws on his experience as a military aviator to illustrate the importance of planning under pressure. Whether flying a mission or working triage in an ER, a systematic approach helps teams stay calm when the unexpected happens. Planning isn’t just about tactical prep—it’s fundamentally about emotional regulation. Knowing what you’ll do in a variety of scenarios (“What if they say yes? What if they say no?”) keeps you grounded and flexible. This matters because decisions are made primarily on emotion, rather than logic, in up to 96% of cases, according to Nobel laureate Daniel Kahneman. Common Negotiation Pitfalls—and How to Avoid Them Too often, sales professionals jump into demos and presentations before ensuring they’re speaking to qualified decision-makers about the real problems. Jim suggests a disciplined approach: We have to uncover what issues or challenges matter most to the client, confirm they have the budget and authority to close a deal, and finally resist the urge to “present” too early—focus first on listening and diagnosing. Aggressive tactics from buyers—like last-minute demands or “take it or leave it” statements—are usually emotional moves, not real decisions. Instead of reacting defensively, seek to understand the underlying reasons for resistance. Four common causes: lack of perceived value, insufficient data, lack of authority, or simple bluffing. Putting the System to Work Jim shares a case study from his own background, of when a large auto dealership shifted from the usual high-pressure sales to a respectful, client-focused system, their sales and referrals soared. Giving clients permission to say “no” and centering the experience around their needs earned the dealership trust and loyalty, resulting in lasting success. Jim is always striving for self-improvement: “Challenge your current behavior. Don’t settle for the status quo. Adopt a system, whether it’s ours or someone else’s, and keep iterating.” By focusing on honesty, respect, and disciplined preparation, sales professionals can elevate negotiation from a dreaded experience to a proud profession—one that benefits both buyers and sellers alike. Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Jim Camp Jr. Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37156995

From Hostage Deals to Boardrooms with Dr. Greg Williams, Ep #465 07/30/2025

From Hostage Deals to Boardrooms with Dr. Greg Williams, Ep #465 Dr. Greg Williams—a globally recognized negotiation and body language expert known as the “Master Negotiator.” He joins me on the show to share insights from over 30 years of experience and his Harvard training. We discuss the importance of meticulous planning and how to recognize and counter aggressive negotiating maneuvers. Dr. Williams shares real-world examples—from complex business deals to high-pressure hostage situations—highlighting the power of adaptability, reading nonverbal cues, and understanding motivation in every negotiation. Packed with actionable advice and memorable stories, this conversation is designed to empower you to approach every negotiation with confidence and integrity. Whether you’re facing internal politics or tough procurement professionals, Dr. Williams’ expertise will inspire you to refine your negotiation skills and achieve win-win outcomes. Outline of This Episode [03:16] Negotiation tactics vary based on context and goals, requiring adaptability in approach and tone [07:59] Strategies to use in internal conflict in negotiations [11:16] Use questions to assess if demands are genuine or a negotiation tactic [13:27] Take note of background information for future leverage [17:56] How a hostage situation involving a father with a gun to his son's head was resolved by a body language expert [20:19] You're always negotiating—what you do today influences tomorrow's activities Closing in High-Stakes Sales Deals A common misconception is that negotiation strategy and tactics are interchangeable. Dr. Williams clarifies the distinction: strategy is the guiding plan you lead with, while tactics are the tools you use to implement that strategy. Tactics support, build upon, and adapt to your strategy as the negotiation unfolds. For example, if your strategy is to make the opposing party feel valued and appreciated, a logical tactic might be to extend an unexpected, thoughtful gift. This gesture utilizes the power of reciprocity—people tend to give back when they receive, which can open the door to more concessions and a friendlier negotiation environment. Building Adaptive Negotiation Strategies No two negotiations are the same, so an effective negotiator remains flexible and tailors their approach to the unique personalities, organizational goals, and circumstances involved. Confidence, amenability, assertiveness, or neutrality—each can be powerful, but only when used at the right moment. Reading the room and even modulating your voice are subtle yet powerful indicators that shape the dynamics at the negotiation table. The Crucial Role of Preparation and Planning “Planning is everything,” Dr. Williams insists. Entering a negotiation underprepared puts you at a sharp disadvantage. Effective negotiators plot out “what-if” scenarios, establish mile markers to track progress, and construct exit strategies in case the deal veers off-course. Preparation also means looking inward—evaluating your objectives and the motivations of all stakeholders at the table. Dr. Williams highlights how, in complex sales involving multiple internal divisions, misaligned teams can be their own worst enemy, sometimes negotiating harder with each other than with the external party. Internal alignment through clear objectives, information sharing plans, and even mock negotiations helps ensure the team is unified and prepared for whatever the other side brings. Recognizing and Countering Aggressive Tactics Professional procurement negotiators often deploy aggressive moves like last-minute demands or “nibbling” for additional concessions at the end. Dr. Williams advocates assessing the true intent and long-term value of the deal before reacting. By calmly asking probing questions—such as “Why do you need that?”—the negotiator can reveal whether these are genuine concerns or just red herrings designed to extract further concessions. Information gained during these exchanges is invaluable. As Dr. Williams demonstrates through a mock scenario on the podcast, even casual comments about personal or organizational motivations can be leveraged in future negotiations. Top Dos and Don’ts of Negotiation Dr. Williams also shares his top three negotiation dos: Never confuse lack of preparation with being prepared. Enter with your facts, scenarios, and exit plans in hand. Seek to understand motivations. Every party brings hidden drivers to the table—learn them before negotiating. Don’t assume a verbal agreement is the end. Post-negotiation follow-up is crucial to ensure all parties stay committed. Conversely, avoid entering deals blindly, neglecting to clarify the other party’s interests, and failing to validate the agreement after the negotiation ends. As Dr. Williams recounts from his own challenging experience negotiating a hostage situation, the most effective negotiators blend empathy, preparation, and adaptability. Whether a life-or-death standoff or a multi-million dollar business deal, the underlying principle remains: leverage your value by viewing every interaction as part of an ongoing negotiation. The best negotiators plan, listen, adapt, and always look for the motivations that move the deal forward. Connect with Dr. Greg Williams Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37156770

Avoiding Common Pitfalls in Negotiation, Ep #464 07/23/2025

Avoiding Common Pitfalls in Negotiation, Ep #464 In this episode, I sit down with Chris Krause, a seasoned supply chain executive with more than 30 years of experience in procurement, change management, and organizational restructuring. We get under the skin of negotiation strategy and tactics—exploring everything from the difference between planning and action to the essential role of data, preparation, and goal alignment in high-stakes deals. Chris shares his proven rule of thumb for negotiation preparation, his top tactics for gaining leverage, and invaluable advice on handling aggressive negotiation moves. He also tells an illuminating real-world story, highlighting the importance of transparency, open communication, and mutual respect—even when negotiations get tough. Outline of This Episode [03:23] Chris’s top three negotiation tactics. [05:25] Focus on goal alignment before pitching to understand client needs. [07:31] Complex negotiations require goal alignment and multiple rounds to achieve the best outcome. [09:58] Win-win scenarios in negotiations ensure long-term relationships and prevent future conflict. [12:19] Keeping communications and dialogue open. Distinguishing Strategy from Tactics Understanding the foundation of successful negotiation begins with clarity on terms. Chris Krause highlights a crucial distinction: strategy is your overarching plan, crafted before the negotiation starts, while tactics are the actions employed during the negotiation itself. Strategy is about setting your objectives, outlining concessions, and knowing your limits. It includes data gathering, goal setting, and scenario planning. Tactics come into play at the negotiation table—your body language, the way you present your case, and how you respond to offers. Whether negotiating face-to-face, walking side by side, or even over casual conversation, tactics are the tools used to achieve the strategic goals you’ve set. The Power of Data and Preparation Before any high-stakes meeting, Chris’s go-to strategy is to amass as much data as possible—not just about his own position, but about the other party as well. This includes: Market studies: Understanding where the product or service sits within the broader landscape. Internal cost/benefit analysis: Knowing your bottom line and what you can afford. Budget cycles (on both sides): Are you or your partner under financial pressure? Has there been a recent company shakeup or market shift? Armed with this knowledge, negotiators move from a position of power, specifically, the power that comes from knowledge. Chris advocates a “five to one” rule: for each hour of negotiation, spend at least five hours preparing. This encompasses scenario planning, identifying must-haves vs. nice-to-haves, and determining both concessions and firm asks. In his words, "Planning, preparation, and positioning" are the three Ps of negotiation excellence. Top Tactics to Gain Leverage Chris shared his three favorite tactics for gaining leverage in challenging deals: Cost Analysis: Establish a baseline of what the product or service should cost, based on robust data. Competitive Market Analysis: Ensure you understand current market pricing so you can position your offer competitively. Partner Analysis: Dive into your counterpart’s fiscal health—knowing if they are under pressure to close deals or expand markets can open the door for favorable terms. He refers to this comprehensive approach as his “trifecta” for negotiation success. The Secret Sauce in Complex Sales One of the most valuable strategies in complex negotiations is what Chris calls “goal alignment.” Rather than rushing into a pitch, engage first in an open conversation to establish what both sides need to achieve. Are they solving a quality issue? Chasing cost savings? Seeking a new technology? Especially for salespeople, Chris warns against focusing solely on your own objectives. Self-centered pitches quickly turn off experienced negotiators. Instead, understanding and aligning with the buyer’s business priorities sets the stage for trust and long-term partnership. Countering Aggressive Tactics and Building Trust High-stakes negotiations sometimes involve aggressive tactics—last-minute demands, take-it-or-leave-it offers, or extreme anchoring. Recognizing these moves is part of the game, but Chris emphasizes sticking to your strategy and being prepared for multiple rounds of negotiation. Rarely, he says, is a one-and-done deal the most fruitful. Mutual respect and keeping communication open, even when emotions run high, are vital for coming through tough spots and ultimately reaching an agreement. Connect with Chris Krause Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37156670

The Building Blocks of Modern Negotiation, Ep #463 07/16/2025

The Building Blocks of Modern Negotiation, Ep #463 My guest this week is negotiation futurist, bestselling author, and top-ranked negotiation expert Tim Castle. Tim is the founder of Negotiators Edge Training Academy and author of “The Art of Negotiation” and “The Momentum Sales Model.” Tim shares his most effective approaches to high-stakes negotiation, focusing on value creation, building trust, and leveraging the Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement (BATNA). He also reveals his favorite negotiation tactics, including creating urgency, holding firm with clarity, and operating from a mindset of abundance (not needing the deal). We also discuss the critical role of planning, how AI tools can supercharge your preparation, and why emotional intelligence is every modern negotiator’s secret weapon. Outline of This Episode [04:11] Understand BATNA to leverage deals by controlling emotions and fostering collaboration without appearing manipulative. [07:08] Be creative and clear in negotiation; hold firm on your value to persuade and influence effectively. [11:49] Use AI to research and prepare by understanding counterparts' backstories, challenges, and market trends. [14:48] Crystal is an AI tool that analyzes LinkedIn profiles to predict communication styles and offers tips for effective interaction. [17:58] Consistent integrity and champion-led negotiation empower internal advocates to overcome organizational hurdles and drive deals forward. [20:34] Guide clients through open questions to uncover pain points collaboratively, ensuring they buy into the process and solutions. [28:30] Value-based positioning and champion-led negotiation ensure long-term collaboration and significant value creation. [30:14] Strategy gets you in; tactics let you own the situation. Maintain a winning mindset to achieve the best outcomes. The Missing Link in Sales Success Strategies are the big-picture, macro gameplans: they define your end-goal, set your direction, and inform every subsequent decision. As Tim puts it, “Strategy is where you want to go, your desired outcome.” Maybe it’s nurturing a long-term partnership, building a multi-phase offering, or expanding the pie in an integrative negotiation. Tactics, on the other hand, are your in-the-moment moves. They’re the practical tools—like anchoring price, mirroring, labeling, or using the “give-get” concession model—that support your strategy and help you adapt as the conversation unfolds. The magic, Tim explains, happens when you intentionally align your tactics with your overarching strategy, rather than just reacting or trying to “win” the moment. The Heart of Effective Negotiation At the core of Tim’s approach is the idea that negotiation isn’t about extraction—it’s about value creation. The whole goal of negotiation is about value creation, he emphasizes. Instead of distributive “win-lose” thinking, Tim advocates for integrative negotiation, which seeks to expand the pie and foster collaboration for mutual gain. Knowing your BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement) is essential here. When you’re clear on your alternatives, you can negotiate free from neediness and emotional intensity, giving you the space to truly listen, build trust, and co-create solutions with your counterpart. Trust-building is Tim’s “single biggest competitive advantage” in an AI-driven world. Even as automation and scripts proliferate, genuine human connection and credibility remain irreplaceable. Tim’s Favorite Tactics Tim shared his top tactics, each rooted in psychology and practical experience: Creating Urgency: By making your offer time-sensitive, you amplify its perceived value, countering commoditization and focusing the buyer’s attention. Not Needing the Deal: When you approach negotiations from a place of abundance (thanks to a healthy sales funnel), you have the flexibility to be creative, collaborative, and less reactive, leading to better deals and relationships. Clarity and Holding Firm: Clearly communicating your value and holding firm helps set boundaries, project confidence, and persuade the buyer of your worth. Vision of the Future (Bonus): Focus on positive, long-term outcomes to keep the conversation optimistic and to reduce emotional tension. The Power of AI and Human EQ Preparation is a non-negotiable for high-stakes deals. Tim recommends leveraging AI to research your counterpart’s background, understand market forces, and tailor your approach. Tools like DISC profiling—and platforms like Crystal Knows—can help you anticipate behavioral styles and communicate more effectively. Tim also emphasizes role-playing and exposure therapy as ways to build comfort and resilience when stakes (and emotions) run high. Ultimately, fusing AI with emotional intelligence (EQ) is a winning combination for modern negotiators. Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Tim Castle Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37156550

Building Trust and Value in B2B Sales Negotiations, Ep #462 07/09/2025

Building Trust and Value in B2B Sales Negotiations, Ep #462 This week on the show, Marit Chervier de Ruiter brings her expertise in combining commercial structure with psychoanalytical principles to help businesses achieve long-lasting results in negotiation and sales. We dig into the critical differences between negotiation strategy and tactics, Marit shares game-changing tips for high-stakes negotiations, and how to cultivate stronger, more collaborative relationships with clients. She also shares her top dos and don'ts in negotiation and offers a real-world example of navigating a challenging deal with grace and success. Outline of This Episode [00:00] Build value step-by-step in negotiations to create stronger long-term relationships. [05:33] Know your audience, predict reactions, and stay agile. [06:48] Choose negotiation strategy based on relationship: competitive for one-off deals, collaborative for long-term relationships. [12:03] Be cautious about sharing too much information in negotiations to prevent the other party from using it against you. [10:13] Marit’s top three negotiation dos and don’ts. [13:44] A real-life scenario where Marit’s informal strategy resets the negotiation tone. Strategies and Tactics for High-Stakes Sales Your strategy is your overall plan: the “why” and “what” behind your negotiations. It’s about defining your end goal and determining the outcomes you hope to achieve. Tactics, on the other hand, are the practical steps and techniques you employ during the negotiation—the “how” that helps implement your strategy. Marit brilliantly uses the analogy of the board game Risk. Your strategy might be to conquer the most territories in Asia, but your specific moves—where to place armies, which battles to pick—constitute your tactics. This symbiotic relationship between strategy and tactics is at the heart of effective negotiation. Incremental Value Creation as a Powerful Negotiation Strategy When entering high-stakes deals, Marit’s go-to strategy is incremental value creation. Rather than rushing in to claim as much as possible, she advocates for building value collaboratively and step by step. This approach aims to expand the “pie” for all involved, rather than fighting for the largest slice of a smaller one. Incremental value creation doesn’t just lead to higher deal outcomes—it also lays the groundwork for strong, long-term relationships. As Marit notes, being able to foster trust and collaboration through this approach is just as important as the immediate value of the deal itself. Tactics for Gaining Leverage in Complex Deals Marit’s experience has equipped her with three favorite negotiation tactics that consistently deliver results: Giver’s Gain & Reciprocity: By giving value upfront, you trigger the powerful psychological principle of reciprocity. When you offer something, the other side is often compelled—sometimes unconsciously—to give in return. The Power of Silence: Marit emphasizes that listening is critical. Silence can be uncomfortable, leading others to fill the gap with information. The insights gained from simply listening can be incredibly valuable in steering negotiations. Never Go Alone: In high-stakes negotiations, going as a team allows you to multitask during meetings—you can observe nonverbal clues, take notes, listen attentively, and strategize in real time. Solo negotiators simply can’t do it all; teamwork is a tactical advantage. Collaborative vs. Competitive Approaches Marit highlights the importance of tailoring your negotiation strategy to the context. If you’re pursuing a one-time transaction, a more competitive stance may suffice. But if you’re aiming for a long-term relationship, collaboration and value creation take precedence. However, what if your counterpart takes a competitive approach despite your collaborative intentions? Marit’s advice: acknowledge the approach, reset the tone, and strive to steer the discussion toward shared value rather than mere positional bargaining. Marit wraps up the episode with a real-world example: facing a key client who violated a contract but remained strategically vital. Instead of severing ties, her team reset the relationship through informal conversation before formal negotiation, split roles as “good cop, bad cop,” and found a mutually acceptable solution. The outcome? A salvaged relationship and a creative, trust-based agreement. Connect with Marit Chervier de Ruiter Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37156340

Persuasion Sandwiches and Logic Levers, Ep #461 07/02/2025

Persuasion Sandwiches and Logic Levers, Ep #461 Sean Sidney is known for his original negotiation concepts like "logic levers," the "persuasion sandwich," and "Bluff-4," and has trained more than 8,000 professionals to secure better deals and deliver real business value. I’m talking to Sean this week all about how procurement pros gain leverage in even the most high-stakes deals. Sean generously shares his favorite tactics, including how to use threats respectfully, the power of emotional acceptance, and the strategic application of logic levers. Whether you’re in sales or procurement, Sean’s actionable, relatable insights will help you navigate challenging negotiations, avoid common pitfalls, and forge better business relationships. Plus, you’ll hear real-world stories from Sean’s own career, practical tips to recognize and counter aggressive negotiation moves, and the essential dos and don’ts that every negotiator should live by. Outline of This Episode [05:52] Emphasize emotion in persuasion: connect emotionally, be respectful, wrap emotional appeal around threats, and use logic to justify decisions. [07:11] Strategize to unsettle competitors and align sales for the best deal. [12:25] Focus on win-win negotiations by trading asymmetric variables to maximize value. [14:15] Collaborative negotiation involves sitting side by side to achieve mutual success. [18:54] Appreciate negotiating tips; emphasize quid pro quo strategy. [23:14] Understanding stakeholders' drivers and using backdoor selling effectively can influence decisions. Mastering Negotiation in Sales and Procurement At the foundation of effective negotiation lies a clear understanding of the difference between strategy and tactics. Sean Sidney succinctly explains: Strategy is the overarching plan designed to achieve a specific objective. Tactics are the specific actions or maneuvers employed to implement that strategy. For instance, a buyer’s objective might be to reduce costs. The strategy could range from developing new suppliers to collaborating for value creation. Tactics are then the moves—such as employing “logic levers” or persuasive messaging—that bring the chosen strategy to life. The Power of Gaining Leverage Sean’s go-to negotiation strategy, especially in high-stakes procurement deals, is to gain leverage. Leverage puts pressure on the other party to make concessions without having to give away value early. While it can seem aggressive, Sean emphasizes that this approach can be effective in both win-win and win-lose scenarios, provided you use the right tactics and maintain respect for the relationship. However, leverage isn’t about domination. Leverage, when used with progressive and collaborative tactics, creates the opportunity for both parties to get their share of the “pie”—even when that pie grows through collaboration. The Persuasion Sandwich So, how do you gain and apply leverage without damaging long-term relationships? Sean introduces three core negotiation tactics, ultimately wrapped into what he calls the Persuasion Sandwich: Action Consequences (The “Threat”): This is where you clearly articulate the consequences of non-action, e.g., “We can’t supply you unless the price increases.” While the term “threat” might sound harsh, it’s simply drawing clear boundaries. Emotional Acceptance: To prevent escalation or defensiveness, frame tough messages with empathy and respect. “I’d love to work with you, but due to our costs, we can’t lower our price further.” It’s about being hard on the issue, soft on the person. Logic Levers: Make your position believable and credible. Use logic by highlighting your worth as a partner, creating a sense of competition with others, or subtly shifting value focuses to place the other party off balance. These levers (us, others, them) make your persuasive message more convincing. By blending these elements, the persuasion sandwich becomes a sophisticated yet non-confrontational way to negotiate assertively without alienating your counterpart. Harnessing Preparation and Recognizing Tactics One of Sean’s golden rules is that preparation is everything. He advocates spending 80% of your effort preparing—analyzing your own and your counterpart’s position, planning your moves, and developing tradeable concessions. Even the most skilled negotiators wish they had prepared more. Understanding and countering aggressive tactics—like strong anchoring, “take it or leave it” offers, or last-minute demands comes down to anticipation and response. Recognize the move, re-anchor with confidence and logic, or be ready with a tradeable variable to maintain balance. Sean distinguishes between two classic strategies: Win-Lose (transactional, competitive, price-focused) Win-Win (collaborative, value-focused, deals with asymmetric variables that provide differing value to each side) While not every negotiation will veer toward true collaboration, building trust, focusing on shared objectives, and sometimes even shifting your “seating” position from face-to-face (competitive) to side-by-side (collaborative problem-solving) can move negotiations along the spectrum toward a win-win outcome. Putting It All Together Sean also shares a memorable story from his first week in a procurement role. By aligning internally with stakeholders and skillfully bluffing the supplier (using the persuasion sandwich), he secured a €200,000 saving, timely delivery, and stakeholder buy-in for future projects. Sean's advice is to prepare meticulously, wield tactics thoughtfully, always trade and never move for free, and build genuine rapport. Whether you’re in sales or procurement, mastering both strategy and tactics, and knowing when to use each, will set you apart as a true negotiation hero. Remember, the best negotiators seek to win, but they also strive to grow the pie for everyone at the table. Connect with Sean Sidney Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37156315

Pro Tips for Staying Calm During Negotiations, Ep #460 06/25/2025

Pro Tips for Staying Calm During Negotiations, Ep #460 I’m sitting down with Kent Kononoff, a seasoned B2B sales leader with over 25 years of experience in sales and sales leadership. Kent is known for his expertise in value-based selling, collaborative negotiation, and strategic planning to drive high-stakes deals. Kent shares his go-to collaborative approach, his favorite negotiation tactics like calibrated questioning and strategic silence, and reveals his top dos and don’ts for effective negotiations. Plus, don’t miss a real-world story that brings these concepts to life and a powerful reminder that everyone in your organization, including those outside of sales, can all uncover new opportunities. Outline of This Episode [04:30] Kent’s three favorite negotiation tactics—including collaborative questioning and strategic silences [07:43] Effective negotiation strategies include value-based selling and collaborative approaches. [09:38] How to spot aggressive tactics like unrealistic deadlines or extreme terms and stay calm under pressure [14:24] Avoid undermining your own sales pitch [16:10] Leveraging strong customer relationships and market positioning to secure new opportunities Confident, Collaborative, and Value-Driven Negotiation Kent frames strategy as the overarching plan—your big-picture approach to closing a deal, shaped by your objectives, the client relationship, your position in the marketplace, and how your company is perceived. Tactics are the actionable tools that help execute the strategy: the specific maneuvers, like deploying credibility-building testimonials or positioning yourself as a subject matter expert. Strategy provides direction; tactics are how you get there. When it comes to high-stakes negotiations, Kent prefers a collaborative strategy. Instead of pushing generic solutions, Kent concentrates on building rapport, understanding the customer’s precise needs, and creating a solution that fits the individual circumstance. This approach sets the stage for trust and long-term partnership. We also discuss why not every negotioation counterpart will be cooperative—some may come in with a “win-lose” mentality. According to Kent the secret is to stay patient, ask calibrated questions, and gradually guide even competitive negotiators toward mutual understanding. Relationship-building and deep discovery remain essential, ensuring that you become more of a partner than just another vendor. Essential Negotiation Tactics for Difficult Deals Kent’s negotiation toolkit is robust but centers on three tactics: Calibrated Questions: Asking calibrated questions, positions you and the customer as teammates working on a problem together. Examples are, “How can we solve this together?” or “What are the biggest challenges your team faces?” Strategic Silence: Sitting with silence can be uncomfortable, but Kent believes “sales are made in the silence and lost in the noise.” Pausing give clients space to share objections or hesitations they wouldn’t otherwise have mentioned. Anchoring: Kent believes in anchoring expectations early on during discovery. By citing market trends or industry challenges, he helps shape a realistic frame of reference, making pricing discussions smoother down the road. The Irreplaceable Role of Planning Planning, Kent insists, is everything. Quoting Benjamin Franklin, he reminds us: “If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail.” Kent attributes 90% of success to diligent preparation, including knowing your customer, mapping out strategies and tactics, and setting clear objectives. Ad-hoc negotiation may result in occasional wins, but consistent, sustainable results only come with meticulous planning. Recognizing and Countering Aggressive Tactics In negotiations, especially with professional buyers, you’ll inevitably encounter aggressive tactics—take-it-or-leave-it offers, last-minute demands, or anchoring at a very low price. Kent’s advice? Stay calm, never react impulsively, and always use your rapport to bring the conversation back to shared goals and values. Ask clarifying questions to uncover the real motivations behind demands, and always know your own BATNA (Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement) so you’re prepared to walk away if necessary. Sales isn’t just the job of the “sales team.” Any team member, from operations to delivery drivers, can spot opportunities and bring them forward. It’s a culture of service and curiosity that uncovers hidden value for both customer and company. Thoughtful negotiation transforms sales from a transactional contest into a platform for partnership and value creation. From strategy and planning to calibrated questions and collaborative tactics, Kent Kononov’s wisdom offers B2B sales professionals a powerful toolkit for success in even the most challenging deals. Remember: Prepare, listen deeply, and always seek the win-win. Connect with Kent Kononoff Connect With Paul Watts Audio Production and Show Notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37025440

Top Negotiation Tactics Sales Pros Need to Stop Overlooking, with Mark Raffan Ep #459 06/18/2025

Top Negotiation Tactics Sales Pros Need to Stop Overlooking, with Mark Raffan Ep #459 Welcome back to the Sales Reinvented podcast! In this episode, I’m joined by globally recognized negotiation expert Mark Raffan, founder of Negotiations Ninja and author of "Nine Secrets to Win Deals and Influence Stakeholders." Mark is known for his straightforward, actionable insights that drive real results. Our conversation unravels the often-misunderstood differences between negotiation strategy and tactics and explores how they can work together to produce winning outcomes in high-stakes deals. Mark shares his tried-and-tested techniques for planning, stakeholder mapping, and using both collaborative and competitive approaches. He also reveals his top negotiation dos and don’ts and provides a great real-world example of turning a stalled deal into a win through smart strategy and tactical moves. To learn more about how to better prepare for complex negotiations and counter aggressive buyer tactics, tune into this episode—it’s packed with the kind of practical advice you won’t want to miss. Outline of This Episode [05:38] Stay silent after asking a question in negotiations for effective results, wait for the counterparty to respond without interjecting [07:33] Ask for specific returns, avoid open-ended requests, and clarify what happens if your request is denied [12:19] Explore various negotiation strategies and adapt them to each situation for the best outcome [16:26] Take-it-or-leave-it offers are often bluffs to hasten negotiation—respond by exploring flexibility calmly [17:28] Walk away if negotiation needs aren't met; slow down when facing last-minute demands [20:43] Mark’s top dos and don'ts in negotiations [24:00] Reviving a stalled $500K deal strategy Negotiation Strategy vs. Tactics Mark sets the stage by making a critical distinction at the start: negotiation strategy is your overarching game plan, while tactics are the specific moves you make to get from point A to point B. Imagine setting sail; your route, preparation, and destination are your strategy, while the course corrections and adjustments you make en route are your tactics. Negotiators often conflate the two, winging it with a handful of tactics and no defined destination. Mark’s advice is to know what you want before you even enter the room, or risk negotiating with nothing concrete to ask for or offer. Planning for High-Stakes Deals Mark underscores the vital role of planning in negotiation success: “80% of success is in the prep.” This isn’t about just showing up with instincts and hoping for the best—real value is discovered in understanding both your levers and those of every stakeholder involved. Stakeholder mapping and leverage analysis are the bread and butter of Mark's approach. Many sales professionals make the mistake of only engaging with procurement, assuming that price and delivery are the be-all and end-all. In reality, multiple stakeholders shape a deal, and understanding their unique concerns opens new avenues to add value and find leverage. Shockingly, Mark sees less than 20% of negotiators (maybe even less than 10% in sales) invest the necessary effort in planning. Those who skip prep and rely solely on talent or instinct often fail under pressure. Three Game-Changers for Challenging Negotiations When it comes to effective negotiation tactics, Mark shares his top three: Strategic Silence: After posing a question, resist the urge to fill the void. Silence gives the other party space to reveal more information—and sometimes their true position. It’s a sign of respect and a tool for deeper discovery. Mark recommends holding your tongue as long as it takes, even if the silence feels uncomfortable. Conditional Giving: Never concede without getting something in return. If someone asks for a discount, don’t just agree. Make the concession conditional and specific—“I might be able to do that, if you can X.” Avoid open-ended or vague counteroffers. The “What If I Say No?” Test: To clarify the other side’s fallback plan (and your own), gently ask, “What will you do if I say no?” This can unblock negotiations and uncover true deal breakers, bringing clarity to tough conversations. Flexing Between Approaches In complex sales scenarios, Mark recommends reading broadly and flexibly applying lessons drawn from various schools of negotiation thought. Whether it’s Harvard’s collaborative “win-win,” a competitive strategy, or a hybrid approach, sticking rigidly to one philosophy is a mistake. Use whatever is best suited for the situation that you’re in, and be willing to flex. If the situation or negotiation style of the other party changes, so should your approach. The most effective negotiators are those who can pivot between collaboration and competition as needed. Handling Aggressive Buyer Tactics Sales professionals often face aggressive techniques—take-it-or-leave-it ultimatums, last-minute demands (nibbles), or attempts to rush. Mark’s advice: don’t get flustered or succumb to urgency. Most “take it or leave it” situations are bluffs; calmly acknowledge and probe for flexibility. If a nibble appears just as you’re about to close, slow the process down and, if you make a concession, always ask for something in return. Otherwise, you’re inviting further nibbles and training buyers to keep pushing limits. Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Mark Raffan Connect With Paul Watts /episode/index/show/salesreinvented/id/37025385