Thinking With Mitch Joel

Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast) is a podcast for curious minds. Mitch brings you weekly conversations at the intersection of technology, culture and business with the world's brightest thought leaders.

Winning With AI With Charlene Li - TWMJ #1041 06/21/2026

Winning With AI With Charlene Li - TWMJ #1041 Welcome to episode #1041 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when every leadership team is being told that artificial intelligence will change everything, has spent her career helping organizations separate signal from noise. A New York Times bestselling author and trusted advisor to CEOs and boards, Charlene first became widely known for helping leaders understand transformative shifts through books like , and . Her latest book, , co-authored with , tackles one of the most pressing questions facing business leaders today: not what AI is, but what to do about it. Drawing on research, executive interviews and practical experience, Charlene argues that organizations do not need an AI strategy… they need to rethink how AI serves their existing business strategy. In our conversation, she explores why most organizations are still struggling to move beyond experimentation, why leadership and transformation matter more than technology selection, and why the greatest opportunity may not be efficiency at all, but creating more human-centered organizations. Along the way, Charlene challenges conventional thinking about AI pilots, workforce transformation, organizational design and the future role of leadership in an era where intelligence itself is becoming abundant. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:01:50. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . . Charlene’s . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to AI and Leadership. (03:02) - Navigating the AI Landscape. (05:57) - Understanding AI’s Impact on Organizations. (09:09) - The Human Element in AI. (12:10) - Rethinking Workflows and Decision-Making. (14:45) - Strategic AI Roadmaps. (17:54) - Investment and Governance in AI. (20:52) - Creating Value with AI. (23:53) - Emergent Thinking and AI Adoption. (31:00) - The Role of Leadership in AI Implementation. (34:50) - Ownership and Accountability in AI Strategy. (39:01) - Creating Value Beyond Efficiency with AI. (45:07) - Navigating Workforce Changes and Reskilling. (48:59) - Addressing Employee Concerns About AI. (54:54) - The Case Against AI Pilots. (55:54) - The Importance of Speed in AI Adoption. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41702465

AI And The Knowledge Economy With Sangeet Paul Choudary 06/14/2026

AI And The Knowledge Economy With Sangeet Paul Choudary Welcome to episode #1040 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). Long before artificial intelligence became the dominant business conversation, was helping leaders understand another profound shift in economic power: the rise of platforms. As the co-author of , founder of , advisor to global corporations and governments, and a respected thinkers on digital business models, Sangeet has spent years studying how technology changes the sources of competitive advantage and reshapes entire industries. His latest book, , extends that work into the age of artificial intelligence, exploring what happens when the expertise, judgment and know-how that once lived inside individuals and organizations increasingly migrates into software systems. In this conversation, Sangeet explains why AI represents far more than a productivity upgrade. He argues that every major technological shift changes what is scarce, and when scarcity changes, value moves with it. Drawing on examples ranging from and to cloud computing, software platforms and global supply chains, he explores why some organizations adapt while others become trapped by the assumptions that made them successful in the first place. The discussion also examines the changing nature of economic power, the growing importance of digital sovereignty, the future of knowledge work, and the risks of assuming that today’s business models will survive tomorrow’s technological realities. Throughout the conversation, Sangeet offers a framework for understanding not just what AI can do, but how leaders can rethink their organizations, industries and careers when the foundations of value creation are being rewritten in real time. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:47. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Sangeet Chaudhary and Reshuffle. (02:51) - The Impact of Technological Shifts on Value Creation. (05:51) - Understanding Architectural Constraints in Business. (09:07) - The Role of Supply Chain in Innovation. (12:10) - AI’s Influence on Software and Business Models. (14:56) - Navigating Uncertainty in AI Adoption. (18:04) - The Future of Economic Power and Sovereignty. (21:00) - Cultural Shifts in Power Dynamics. (23:53) - The Mechanisms of Change in AI and Business. (26:52) - The Balance of Sovereignty and Dominance. (29:46) - The Future of Work in an AI-Driven Economy. (32:44) - The Broader Implications of AI on Society. (36:40) - Conclusion and Reflections on Reshuffle. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41632720

Developing A Vital Voice With Carmine Gallo - TWMJ #1039 06/07/2026

Developing A Vital Voice With Carmine Gallo - TWMJ #1039 Welcome to episode #1039 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). I believe that communication has always been one of the most valuable skills in business. But in an era of AI-generated content, algorithmic feeds, podcasts, newsletters, keynote stages, short-form video and endless digital noise, it may be becoming even more important. Few people have spent more time studying what makes ideas resonate than . A communication coach, author, and instructor in executive education at , Carmine is best known for bestselling books including , , and . His latest project, , is an audio-original experience that explores what great communicators can teach us about influence, storytelling, and audience engagement in a rapidly changing media landscape. In this conversation, Carmine argues that while the tools of communication have evolved dramatically, the human brain has not. Drawing on research from neuroscience, psychology, evolutionary biology, and his conversations with communicators ranging from business leaders to digital creators, he explains why storytelling remains one of humanity’s most powerful technologies. The discussion explores why movement captures attention, why narrative structures continue to dominate modern platforms, and why great communicators are made through deliberate practice rather than born with natural talent. Carmine also shares his AMP framework for communication improvement: Ability, Message, and Practice. Along the way, the conversation examines the opportunities and challenges created by AI, including the growing tension between polished machine-generated content and authentic human expression. At a moment when everyone has access to powerful communication tools, Carmine makes a compelling case that imagination, personal experience, and genuine human insight are becoming the ultimate differentiators. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:47. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Communication and Influence. (03:11) - The Evolution of Communication Tools. (05:56) - The Power of Storytelling. (08:48) - Understanding Audience Engagement. (11:48) - The Role of Movement in Communication. (14:59) - The Hero’s Journey in Storytelling. (18:08) - The Nature vs. Nurture Debate in Communication. (21:02) - The AMP Model for Effective Communication. (24:05) - The Impact of AI on Communication. (26:58) - The Challenge of Authenticity in AI-Generated Content. (29:48) - Attention Spans and Content Consumption. (33:05) - The Future of Communication in the Age of AI. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41552685

Human Agency With Marcus Fontoura - TWMJ #1038 05/31/2026

Human Agency With Marcus Fontoura - TWMJ #1038 Welcome to episode #1038 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when technology feels simultaneously more powerful and more opaque than ever, is making a case for something many people feel they’ve lost: agency. A Technical Fellow and Corporate Vice President at , Marcus has spent decades helping build the infrastructure that powers the modern internet, including leadership roles at , and . His new book, , is both a guide to understanding the technologies shaping our lives and a reminder that we are not merely passengers along for the ride. Drawing on his experience building cloud computing platforms and large-scale digital systems, Marcus demystifies everything from search engines and social media to artificial intelligence and cloud infrastructure, arguing that technological literacy should be as fundamental as understanding economics or government. In this episode, Marcus explores the growing gap between the people building technology and the people living with its consequences. He discusses social media’s impact on mental health, misinformation, polarization, AI’s role as a prediction engine rather than an autonomous intelligence, and the importance of regulation in areas where technological progress has outpaced public understanding. At the same time, Marcus offers a deeply optimistic vision of the future. He believes that access to information, computing power and AI tools can empower a new generation of scientists, entrepreneurs and problem-solvers to tackle challenges ranging from healthcare and education to climate change and scientific discovery. Rather than viewing technology as something happening to us, Marcus argues that understanding how these systems work is the first step toward shaping how they evolve. What emerges is a thoughtful conversation about curiosity, responsibility, innovation and the enduring role of human judgment in an increasingly digital world. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 47:25. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . t. Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Marcus Fontoura and His Role at Microsoft. (02:54) - Understanding the Cloud and Its Impact on Society. (06:06) - Human Agency in a Digital World. (08:57) - The Complexity of AI and Technology. (12:00) - The Role of Regulation in Technology. (15:07) - The Real-World Applications of AI. (17:59) - The Challenges of Social Media and Mental Health. (20:55) - The Need for Societal Engagement in Technology Regulation. (26:26) - The Challenge of Fake News and Agency. (27:00) - Empowering Future Generations. (31:27) - The Role of Human Agency in Technology. (34:01) - Concerns Over AI and Misinformation. (40:44) - Understanding AI Code Generation. (46:55) - The Pursuit of AGI and Its Implications. (50:08) - Technology’s Role in Promoting Equality. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41470550

The Value Of Uncertainty With Simone Stolzoff - TWMJ #1037 05/24/2026

The Value Of Uncertainty With Simone Stolzoff - TWMJ #1037 Welcome to episode #1037 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a moment when certainty has become both a cultural obsession and a commercial product, is asking a far more uncomfortable question: what if the real skill is learning how to live without it? A journalist whose work has appeared in publications like and author of the bestselling book , Simo has built his work around examining the hidden psychological contracts shaping modern life… especially our increasingly tangled relationship with work, ambition and identity. His new book, , pushes that exploration even further, arguing that many of the anxieties defining modern life stem not from uncertainty itself… but from our declining ability to tolerate it. In this conversation, Simo explores why uncertainty has become so psychologically destabilizing in an era where information is infinite, prediction is constant and every question seems one search query away from an answer. He discusses the paradox of modern life: despite unprecedented prosperity, connectivity and opportunity, people feel increasingly fragile, overwhelmed and fearful of ambiguity. Simo explains how uncertainty once served an important evolutionary purpose, but has become maladaptive in a culture obsessed with optimization, certainty and control. The conversation moves through entrepreneurship, identity, politics, AI, climate anxiety, relationships and creativity… all connected by the tension between our desire for certainty and the reality that much of life remains fundamentally unknowable. Simo argues that uncertainty is not a flaw in the system… it is the birthplace of possibility, growth and reinvention. Along the way, we discuss , venture capital, the psychology of risk, the danger of false certainty in modern discourse, and why action itself is often the antidote to anxiety. What emerges is not a conversation about having the answers… but about developing the resilience, humility and imagination to move forward without them. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 57:55. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . Subscribe to . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Simone Stolzoff. (01:45) - The Intersection of Identity and Career. (03:50) - Embracing Uncertainty in Life and Work. (10:56) - Cultural Perspectives on Risk and Entrepreneurship. (15:50) - The Paradox of Comfort and Growth. (18:49) - Building Tolerance for Uncertainty. (22:33) - Macro Perspectives on Progress and Uncertainty. (27:23) - Navigating Opportunities in an Unstable Job Market. (33:07) - The Role of Geography in Relationships and Opportunities. (36:43) - Age Bias and Risk Aversion. (41:08) - Resilience in the Face of Uncertainty. (50:02) - Closing Thoughts on Rigidity and Acceptance. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41395990

Unlocking The Best In People With Ashley Herd - TWMJ #1036 05/17/2026

Unlocking The Best In People With Ashley Herd - TWMJ #1036 Welcome to episode #1036 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). did not set out to become a management expert. Trained as an employment lawyer and later serving in senior HR and leadership roles supporting organizations including , Ashley built her career at the intersection of people, performance and workplace culture. What began as practical leadership advice shared through short-form social media videos evolved into a , with hundreds of thousands of managers turning to her for direct, actionable guidance on how to lead teams without burning people out. Her new book, , distills that experience into a deceptively simple framework built around Pause, Consider, Act… a reminder that leadership is not about reacting faster, but thinking more clearly. In this conversation, Ashley explores why so many organizations continue promoting high performers into management roles without preparing them to lead people, why workplace culture is often shaped more by individual managers than company values, and how the modern workplace has been reshaped by the pandemic, generational shifts and AI. Ashley argues that the biggest failures in leadership are rarely strategic… they are relational. Silence, unclear expectations, lack of feedback and the inability to coach people effectively create cascading organizational problems. At the same time, she remains optimistic that AI can become a meaningful thought partner for managers… not replacing judgment, empathy or coaching, but helping leaders pause long enough to think better about how they communicate and support others. Grounded in practical experience rather than abstract theory, Ashley’s work is ultimately about helping managers become more human… and helping organizations remember that people are not line items on a spreadsheet. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:07. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . Follow . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Ashley Herd and The Manager Method. (02:57) - The Power of Social Media in Leadership Development. (05:50) - The Journey from Law to Leadership. (09:05) - Understanding Management Challenges and the Peter Principle. (12:08) - The Role of Empathy in Management. (15:09) - Navigating the New World of Management Post-Pandemic. (17:54) - The Importance of Clear Expectations in Leadership. (21:02) - The Impact of Generational Differences on Management. (23:51) - The Role of AI in Modern Management. (27:04) - Coaching vs. Managing: The New Paradigm. (30:12) - Creating a Culture of Feedback and Recognition. (32:54) - The Importance of Pausing and Reflecting in Leadership. (36:02) - Final Thoughts and Resources for Managers. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41311255

Modern Marketing With MichaelAaron Flicker - TWMJ #1035 05/10/2026

Modern Marketing With MichaelAaron Flicker - TWMJ #1035 Welcome to episode #1035 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when marketers have more data, more technology and more precision than ever before… consumer trust, attention and loyalty somehow feel more fragile than ever. Few people are exploring that paradox more deeply than . An entrepreneur who started his company at just fourteen years old, Michael has spent years studying the intersection of marketing, behavioral science and human decision-making (he runs an agency, vventure capital firm and leads several other businesses). His book, (along with co-author ), examines how brands shape perception, influence behavior and build emotional resonance… often in ways consumers barely recognize. In this conversation, Michael and I explore the growing divide inside modern marketing itself… between performance-driven optimization and the enduring power of emotional storytelling. We unpack how AI, algorithms and recommendation systems are quietly reshaping consumer agency, why the illusion of choice may be more powerful than choice itself, and how platforms increasingly mediate not just what we buy… but how we think. Michael (who also has a great podcast, ) argues that while technology has evolved dramatically, human behavior has not. Scarcity, status, social proof, storytelling and emotional connection still shape our decisions… even when we believe we’re acting rationally. We also discuss the dangerous temptation for marketers to chase short-term metrics while neglecting the deeper work of building lasting brand value, trust and cultural meaning. Along the way, we get into ’s invisible persuasion architecture, why many direct-to-consumer brands plateau, the ethical tension between persuasion and manipulation, and how AI may transform marketing from an art form into an escalating behavioral arms race. What emerges is a fascinating conversation about power, psychology and the increasingly intimate systems shaping modern commerce… and whether brands still truly understand the humans they’re trying to reach. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:58. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Marketing and Behavioral Science. (03:03) - The Paradox of Modern Marketing. (06:02) - The Role of AI in Consumer Decision Making. (09:00) - The Illusion of Choice in E-commerce. (12:05) - The Evolution of Marketing Metrics. (15:07) - The Changing Landscape of Brand Power. (18:12) - Understanding Human Behavior in Marketing. (20:59) - The Symbiotic Relationship Between Brands and Platforms. (24:02) - The Impact of Globalization on Consumer Choices. (33:28) - Brand Value and Consumer Loyalty. (38:16) - The Importance of Services in Marketing. (41:39) - Case Studies and Anomalies in Brand Success. (50:24) - The Role of AI in Marketing and Persuasion. (57:51) - The Shift to the Intimacy Economy. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41211375

The Business Of Culture And Art With Douglas Woodham - TWMJ #1034 05/03/2026

The Business Of Culture And Art With Douglas Woodham - TWMJ #1034 Welcome to episode #1034 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when the lines between culture, commerce and identity feel increasingly blurred, few people understand how value is actually constructed… and reconstructed… better than . A former President of the Americas at and a longtime advisor through his firm , Doug brings a rare dual lens to the conversation… equal parts economist and art obsessive. With a PhD in economics and decades spent inside the machinery of the global art market, he has seen firsthand how artists move from obscurity to icon status… and how markets, narratives and power structures shape that journey . His latest book, , goes far beyond biography to examine how one artist’s legacy was not just created… but carefully engineered. In this conversation, Doug explores the intersection of art and economics, unpacking how scarcity, status and human behavior drive the desire to collect… and why ownership has become increasingly performative in a social media age. He challenges the romantic notion that value is purely about the work itself, pointing instead to branding, cultural timing and strategic stewardship… particularly in ’s posthumous rise. We also dig into the broader shifts reshaping the art world… from the declining cultural centrality of fine art to the rise of alternative collectibles, the failure of s to gain traction in traditional markets, and the fragile economics behind fractional ownership models. What emerges is a sharper understanding that art is not just about beauty or expression… it is about markets, narratives and belief systems that determine what is worth owning… and why. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:04:35. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Doug Woodham and His Expertise. (02:42) - The Life and Legacy of Jean-Michel Basquiat. (04:48) - Connecting Art and Economics. (08:45) - Human Behavior and the Desire for Collectibles. (12:10) - The Shift in Art Collecting Trends. (15:42) - NFTs and Their Impact on the Art Market. (20:29) - Artist Compensation and Ownership Rights. (24:28) - Cultural Relevance of Fine Art Today. (27:58) - The Psychology of Collecting and Scarcity. (32:37) - The Business of Scarcity in Consumer Brands. (35:15) - The Importance of Secondary Markets in Collectibles. (40:10) - The Evolution of Basquiat’s Brand Posthumously. (54:51) - The Intersection of Art and Commercialization. (59:53) - Fractional Ownership in Art Investments. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41120655

Revolutionizing Humanity And Tech With Pablos Holman - TWMJ #1033 04/26/2026

Revolutionizing Humanity And Tech With Pablos Holman - TWMJ #1033 Welcome to episode #1033 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). We spent the last twenty-five years calling software “technology,” which was convenient, profitable and just a little bit delusional. Apps got smarter. Feeds got stickier. Ads got creepier. Dashboards got dashboards. Meanwhile, the real world kept asking harder questions. How do we produce enough clean energy for eight billion people? How do we build things again? How do we manufacture without waste? How do we use AI for science, not just better chatbots and faster slop? has spent his career living inside those questions. He is a hacker, inventor, venture capitalist, and founder of , an invention capital firm backing the mad scientists, rogue engineers and maverick entrepreneurs trying to build technologies that actually matter. His career has touched everything from cryptocurrency in the 1990s and AI for financial markets to the early days of and the launch of , where the work included mosquito-killing lasers, malaria-diagnosing microscopes, vaccine coolers, advanced antennas and nuclear reactors powered by waste. His book, , argues that the next wave of innovation will not come from making software marginally more addictive. It will come from solving the physical, messy, expensive, essential problems that humanity depends on: energy, water, food, waste, construction, manufacturing, medicine and infrastructure. In this conversation, Pablos makes the case for optimism with teeth. Not optimism as a mood. Optimism as a discipline. A willingness to stare at massive problems without flinching… and then go build something. We talk about why software can’t save the world by itself, why energy may be the root problem behind almost everything, why AI’s most meaningful work may happen in science, and why the future belongs to people willing to work on problems big enough to scare everyone else. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:04:47. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . Check out Pablos on the Tim Ferriss Podcast: . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Deep Future and Venture Capital. (02:47) - The Shift from Software to Deep Tech. (06:08) - Revolutionizing Manufacturing with Robotics. (08:49) - The Environmental Impact of Energy Production. (12:13) - Innovative Solutions for Energy Challenges. (15:08) - The Role of AI in Scientific Advancements. (17:53) - Cultural Shifts in Manufacturing and Education. (20:55) - The Future of Energy and Nuclear Solutions. (23:56) - The Importance of Long-Term Thinking. (26:45) - Connecting Work to Meaning and Purpose. (30:13) - The Role of Corporations in Infrastructure Investment. (33:03) - The Future of Jobs in an Automated World. (36:13) - AI’s Role in Solving Global Problems. (39:01) - The Need for Optimism in Technology. (41:59) - Final Thoughts and the Future of Humanity. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/41006860

Unlocking Creativity And Productivity With Natalie Nixon - TWMJ #1032 04/19/2026

Unlocking Creativity And Productivity With Natalie Nixon - TWMJ #1032 Welcome to episode #1032 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when productivity is still measured in speed, output and constant motion, few voices are pushing for a more human… and ultimately more effective… way of working than . A creativity strategist, keynote speaker and founder of , Natalie has built her career helping leaders unlock the business value of imagination… not as a soft skill, but as a strategic capability. Her work sits at the intersection of design thinking, anthropology and business innovation, and her previous book, , positioned curiosity, empathy and intuition as essential leadership muscles. In her latest work, , Natalie challenges the deeply embedded belief that more effort equals better results… arguing instead that we’re not in a tech revolution, but a human one. She introduces the MTR framework (movement, thought and rest) as a way to rebalance how we work and live, emphasizing that creativity doesn’t happen despite pauses… it depends on them. In this conversation, Natalie explores how burnout and busyness have become normalized, why organizations must move beyond outdated productivity metrics, and how leaders can cultivate environments where creativity and trust can thrive. She makes a compelling case that AI, while powerful, is not the story… it’s the backdrop. The real opportunity lies in how humans choose to engage with it… whether we double down on efficiency or expand into imagination, play and connection. From rethinking workplace culture to redefining growth as a non-linear, deeply human process, this conversation is a call to redesign not just how we work… but why we work at all. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:02:21. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . Sign up for . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Creativity and Productivity. (04:01) - The Crisis of Creativity and Busyness. (08:06) - Redefining Creativity in Various Professions. (11:57) - The Role of AI in Creativity. (15:52) - Human Connection in the Age of Technology. (19:51) - The Infinite Nature of Creativity. (24:14) - The Importance of Play in Work Culture. (32:35) - Cultivation 2.0: Rethinking Productivity. (34:01) - Proofs of Concept: Companies Leading the Way. (39:03) - Culture and Productivity: An Inextricable Link. (40:51) - Redesigning Work: The Need for Systemic Change. (45:51) - Navigating Liminal Spaces: Embracing Uncertainty. (50:47) - The Human Revolution: Beyond Technology. (56:07) - Rest as a Productivity Tool: A Paradigm Shift. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40918415

New Business Transformations With Joseph Pine - TWMJ #1031 04/12/2026

New Business Transformations With Joseph Pine - TWMJ #1031 Welcome to episode #1031 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when businesses are still trying to wrap their heads around “customer experience,” few thinkers have shaped that conversation… and pushed it forward… as much as As cofounder of , Joe has spent decades helping organizations understand how economic value evolves… from commodities to goods, to services, to experiences… and now, to something far more ambitious. Best known for , Joe didn’t just introduce a concept… he gave leaders a new language to describe how businesses compete for time, attention and meaning. In this conversation, Joe extends that thinking through his latest work, , where the goal is no longer just to stage memorable moments… but to help customers become something more. He argues that the highest form of economic value isn’t what a company delivers… but what a customer becomes as a result. That shift reframes everything: experiences are no longer the end game… they are the raw material for change. Drawing on decades of research and real-world examples, Joe makes the case that businesses must move beyond efficiency and even beyond engagement… toward fostering human flourishing across dimensions like health, wealth, wisdom and purpose. It’s a bold elevation of the role of business… one that demands a long-term mindset, ethical use of data, and a deeper understanding of individual customers as people, not segments. And while technologies like AI can accelerate customization and coaching, Joe is clear that tools alone won’t get us there… mindset will. In a world obsessed with speed, optimization and short-term gains, this conversation is a powerful reminder that the real opportunity lies in helping people grow… not just transact. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 58:44. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Experience Economy: A Game Changer. (03:07) - Understanding Experiences vs. Services. (06:01) - The Challenge of Attention in the Experience Economy. (09:05) - The Progression of Economic Value. (11:50) - Transformation: The Next Level of Value. (14:56) - The Role of Self-Service in Experiences. (18:07) - Empathy and Customer-Centric Business. (20:53) - Long-Term Thinking in Business Strategy. (31:32) - Long-Term Investment Strategies for Companies. (34:51) - The Importance of Meaningful Purpose in Business. (37:48) - Data, Analytics, and the Customization Revolution. (39:40) - Balancing Data Use and Customer Privacy. (46:51) - The Concept of Flourishing in Business. (52:15) - Experiences vs. Anti-Consumerism. (53:35) - AI: The Future of Customization and Transformation. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40803920

Thinking At The Edge Of What's Possible With Avinash Kaushik - TWMJ #1030 04/05/2026

Thinking At The Edge Of What's Possible With Avinash Kaushik - TWMJ #1030 Welcome to episode #1030 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when marketing (and AI) feels both hyper-measurable and strangely uncertain, few voices bring as much clarity… and lived perspective… as . A longtime friend (and he’s also available for your next meeting at e) of the show and one of the most influential thinkers in marketing and technology, Avinash first rose to prominence as the analytics evangelist at , where he helped bring web analytics into the mainstream and reshape how businesses think about measurement and decision-making. He is also the bestselling author of and — thinking that has become foundational texts for marketers navigating data-driven environments. Today, he serves as Chief Strategy Officer at and as a strategic advisor at , working across brands like and to drive transformation at scale. Beyond his corporate roles, Avinash continues to publish his widely read newsletter, , where he explores the evolving intersection of data, technology, and business strategy while donating all proceeds to charity. In our conversation, Avinash unpacks how the industry over-indexed on performance metrics at the expense of brand, and why that imbalance is now being corrected… not by marketers, but by AI. He argues that while AI will automate much of what we once considered core marketing work, it simultaneously elevates the importance of judgment, creativity, and asking better questions. Drawing from real-world examples, Avinash makes a compelling case that the future belongs to those who don’t just adopt AI tools, but rethink their role entirely. The opportunity isn’t to do the same work faster… it’s to redefine what work is worth doing in the first place. And while the hype cycle around AI is loud, Avinash offers a more grounded perspective: imperfect systems, messy organizations and human dynamics will always shape outcomes. The real risk isn’t that AI replaces us… it’s that we fail to evolve alongside it. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:16:13. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . . for your next meeting. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Avinash and His Journey. (02:50) - Transitioning from Google to Agency Life. (06:01) - Reflections on Marketing Roles. (09:13) - The Challenges of Agency Management. (11:54) - The Evolution of Marketing and Data. (15:05) - Identifying Patterns in Marketing Success. (17:52) - The Importance of Brand Marketing. (21:13) - The Balance of Performance and Brand Marketing. (24:05) - The Role of AI in Marketing. (26:52) - The Future of Brands in an AI-Driven World. (29:49) - Optimism and the Impact of AI. (39:50) - Harnessing AI for Data Analysis. (42:01) - Practical Applications of AI in Business. (46:30) - Organizational Adaptation to AI. (48:01) - Cultural Shifts in Embracing AI. (55:06) - The Future of Work and AI. (01:00:57) - Skepticism Towards AI Hype. (01:06:03) - Preparing the Next Generation for AI. (01:13:56) - Cultural Insights and User Experience. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40727625

Navigating The Near Future With David Armano - TWMJ #1029 03/29/2026

Navigating The Near Future With David Armano - TWMJ #1029 Welcome to episode #1029 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). These days, technology feels both familiar… and completely unrecognizable. Few voices bring the kind of clarity and grounded perspective that does. A longtime digital strategist, advisor, self-proclaimed futurist and friend, David has spent decades at the front lines of transformation… helping organizations navigate everything from the rise of social media to the mobile-first revolution, and now the seismic shift of artificial intelligence. In his current role at , he works directly with enterprises trying to make sense of AI not as a tool, but as a system-wide change that touches people, process and culture. Alongside this, his widely read Substack, has become a space where he explores what he calls “intelligent experiences, ”and the broader societal implications of living in a world shaped by AI. In this conversation, David frames AI as both a continuation of past technological waves and something entirely new, with a cognitive reach that extends far beyond previous disruptions. He reflects on how organizations are grappling with adoption - often caught between experimentation and transformation - while individuals face a more personal tension: the realization that the very tools augmenting their work may also replace it. At the same time, David pushes beyond the typical optimism-versus-doom narrative, offering a more nuanced lens rooted in what he calls “adapting intelligently”… a form of realism that acknowledges both the extraordinary upside and the very real societal risks. From the emergence of an “intelligence wealth gap” to the psychological impact of algorithmic systems, we explore how AI may amplify both opportunity and inequality… rewarding those who learn to direct it while leaving others increasingly dependent on it. Grounded in both professional experience and personal reflection, this is a conversation about change at every level… not just technological, but human. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:57 Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to David Armano. (02:17) - The Evolution of Digital Transformation. (06:46) - AI as a Force Multiplier. (10:07) - Real-World Applications of AI. (13:34) - Enterprise Perspectives on AI. (18:32) - The Human Element in AI Adoption. (22:46) - The Future of AI and Society. (30:53) - Geopolitical Implications of AI. (32:04) - The Evolving Global Landscape. (35:54) - The Intelligence Wealth Gap. (39:08) - Navigating the Creator Economy. (44:34) - AI Slop vs. Vibe Content. (51:00) - The Future of Work and Knowledge Workers. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40646405

Belief, Potential And Breakthroughs With Nir Eyal - TWMJ #1028 03/22/2026

Belief, Potential And Breakthroughs With Nir Eyal - TWMJ #1028 Welcome to episode #1028 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). In a world increasingly defined by information overload and ideological certainty, the ability to change one’s mind may be the most undervalued skill of all… and few thinkers have explored that terrain as deeply as my friend, . A bestselling author, behavioral design expert and former lecturer, Nir has built a career examining how habits are formed, how attention is controlled and how human behavior can be shaped both externally and from within. His previous works, and , established him as a leading voice on the psychology of technology and focus. In his latest book, , Nir shifts inward, exploring the often invisible force that determines whether knowledge translates into action: belief itself. Drawing on behavioral science, psychology and lived experience, he introduces what he calls the “motivation triangle” - behavior, benefit and belief - and argues that without belief, even the best strategies and intentions collapse. At the core of his work is a provocative idea: beliefs are not truths… they are tools (flexible, revisable constructs that shape what we see, feel and do). He explores how limiting beliefs persist even when we know better, why we often fail to act on advice we actively seek, and how techniques like “turnarounds” can help reframe our assumptions to unlock agency and change. At the same time, Nir wrestles with the broader implications of belief in a polarized, AI-driven world… where narratives are reinforced, critical thinking is uneven, and certainty is often mistaken for truth. Grounded in both rigorous research and personal reflection, his work reframes belief not as something to defend, but as something to consciously design and refine. Nir is also available to join your meetings or gatherings on . I have had him on the show countless times and he is always inspiring and insightful. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 54:58. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . Book . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Nir Eyal and His Journey. (05:50) - Understanding Belief: Tools, Not Truths. (11:56) - The Power of Prayer and Its Impact. (17:59) - Liberating vs. Limiting Beliefs. (23:59) - Beliefs as Tools for Action. (32:54) - Beliefs as Tools, Not Truths. (43:01) - The Power of Optimism and Self-Reflection. (51:34) - Embracing Change and Open-Mindedness. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40558415

The Science Of Storytelling With Will Storr - TWMJ #1027 03/15/2026

The Science Of Storytelling With Will Storr - TWMJ #1027 Welcome to episode #1027 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). is an award-winning author, journalist and storytelling researcher whose work explores one of the most powerful forces shaping human behavior… the stories we tell ourselves about the world. Over the course of a career that blends psychology, neuroscience, investigative journalism and narrative craft, Will has become one of the most compelling voices examining how stories shape identity, belief and culture. His bestselling books include , , and , each offering a deeper look at the hidden forces driving human motivation and social behavior. In his latest book, , Will explores how storytelling operates as a powerful psychological transaction… a kind of deal between storyteller and audience that shapes what we believe, who we trust and how we act. Drawing on research from neuroscience and psychology alongside examples that range from ancient rituals to modern brand campaigns, Will shows how narratives influence everything from the leaders we follow to the products we buy. In this conversation, Will explores why people so often believe stories before they believe facts, how identity and status shape the narratives we embrace, and why character-driven storytelling remains the most powerful way to influence human behavior. At the same time, he wrestles with the darker side of narrative… the way stories can fuel misinformation, reinforce tribal identities and manipulate audiences when used without care. As artificial intelligence begins to play a role in creating and distributing stories, the conversation also turns to questions of authenticity, creativity and the future of narrative itself. I’m a huge fan of Will’s work and it was truly a honor to host him. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 54:58. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . Will’s . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Storytelling and Its Significance. (02:47) - The Power of Story in Belief Systems. (05:43) - The Role of Story in Climate Change Narratives. (08:56) - Navigating Complex Conversations and Identity. (11:45) - Storytelling as a Business Tool. (15:41) - Consciousness and Story: An Indivisible Connection. (18:18) - Persuasion vs. Manipulation in Storytelling. (20:29) - AI and the Future of Storytelling. (27:29) - The Emergence of AI-Generated Content. (29:36) - The Emotional Connection to Art. (31:31) - The Future of Cultural Art and AI. (32:54) - AI’s Role in Creative Writing. (36:35) - The Formula of Storytelling. (40:39) - The Impact of AI on Writing Quality. (44:14) - The Science of Storytelling. (49:41) - The Role of Character in Business Narratives. (56:34) - Understanding Religion as a Status Game. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40424100

Getting Your Strategy Right With Kevin Ertell 03/08/2026

Getting Your Strategy Right With Kevin Ertell Welcome to episode #1026 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when strategy has become a kind of corporate theater… carefully crafted presentations, ambitious roadmaps and bold declarations that rarely survive first contact with reality… has spent a career focused on the harder question: why execution so often fails. Kevin is the Founder and CEO of and a veteran operator whose three decades of experience include leading large-scale retail and e-commerce operations at global brands like , , , and . Over the years he has developed a reputation as a straight-talking advisor who helps leaders turn complexity into clarity and ambition into measurable results. His work spans industries including technology, healthcare, retail, consumer goods and manufacturing, where he focuses on helping organizations align teams, simplify priorities and build the operating rhythms required to deliver on their plans. In his new book, , Kevin draws on decades of frontline experience to tackle a frustrating reality of modern business: most strategies don’t fail on paper… they fail in the real world. Through practical frameworks like his Six Cs of Execution (Co-creation, Clarity, Capacity, Communication, Coordination and Coaching) he argues that strategy and execution must begin in the same room, with teams co-creating the plan and committing to disciplined follow-through. Kevin explores how incentives shape behavior, why organizations must slow down to create clarity before accelerating, and how leadership cultures built around coaching and collaboration can unlock real momentum. Grounded in operational experience rather than theory, his work reframes strategy not as a planning exercise but as a team sport that requires alignment, accountability and relentless focus on execution. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 58:44. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . Get . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Kevin Ertell and his Expertise. (02:51) - The Evolution of E-commerce and Digital Strategy. (06:03) - Understanding the Strategy Trap. (08:57) - The Importance of Execution in Strategy. (12:02) - Communication and Team Dynamics in Strategy. (14:47) - Co-Creation and Employee Engagement. (17:55) - The Role of Customers in Strategy. (21:04) - Defining the Strategy Trap and Its Implications. (30:01) - Navigating Change: The Role of Detractors in Strategy. (32:47) - The Rise and Fall of Retail Giants: Lessons from JCPenney. (40:58) - Harnessing AI: Transforming Strategy and Productivity. (49:01) - Coaching Mindset: The Key to Effective Leadership. (53:06) - Anticipating the Future: Understanding Change and Context. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40341000

What Is Happening With AI With Ann Handley - TWMJ #1025 03/01/2026

What Is Happening With AI With Ann Handley - TWMJ #1025 Welcome to episode #1025 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a moment when panic travels faster than proof, few marketers are as clear-eyed… and as human… as . A pioneering digital marketing strategist (), bestselling author ( and ), longtime champion of writing that actually means something and dear friend (also, if you’re not susbscribed to her newsletter, , you really should be), Ann has built a career reminding businesses that the point of content isn’t velocity… it’s connection. In her recent essay, , she pushes back against the apocalyptic certainty surrounding AI job displacement and challenges the framing that faster always wins. Responding to venture capitalist ’s argument, , that AI will eliminate half of white-collar work within a few years, Ann dissects the seductive panic embedded in exponential curves and racing metaphors, arguing that technological capability does not equal economic inevitability. She reminds us that adoption is human-shaped, that judgment compounds when speed becomes cheap, and that friction is often where thinking actually happens. Rather than choosing between “adapt or die,” Ann advocates for a steadier path: use the tools, reject the hysteria, protect the work that builds trust, expertise and meaning over time. Grounded in curiosity rather than fear, her perspective reframes the moment not as a race to outrun machines but as an invitation to ask better questions about what we’re building… and why. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 56:04. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . . by . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction and Context of AI’s Viral Impact. (01:21) - How Ann Uses AI to Strengthen Thinking. (03:43) - The Limitations and Human Control of AI. (05:09) - Content Structure and AI’s Role in Creativity. (07:11) - AI’s Proximity to Human Work and Its Implications. (11:09) - Extrapolating AI’s Impact on Jobs and Society. (13:58) - The Emotional and Societal Response to AI. (18:45) - The Surprising Capabilities of AI in Judgment. (21:35) - The Role of Human Judgment and Creativity. (27:20) - The Impact of SEO and Content Homogenization. (29:58) - AI’s Ability to Mimic Human Taste and Judgment. (36:40) - Balancing AI Use with Human Integrity. (39:36) - The Race for Content and Creativity in AI Era. (42:58) - Speed Culture and Its Discontents.. (50:34) - Navigating AI’s Role in Society and Creativity. (52:50) - The Future of Creativity and AI’s Impact. (54:24) - Personal Reflections on AI’s Transformative Power. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40256665

Making The Internet Suck Less With Cory Doctorow - TWMJ #1024 02/22/2026

Making The Internet Suck Less With Cory Doctorow - TWMJ #1024 Welcome to episode #1024 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when the digital infrastructure that underpins modern life feels increasingly hostile, few voices have been as prescient... or as relentless... as . A science fiction novelist, journalist and technology activist, Cory serves as Special Advisor to the and has long stood at the intersection of storytelling, policy and power. Over the course of a prolific career (one that includes bestselling fiction, influential tech policy books like and , and his widely read blog) Cory has chronicled how digital markets consolidate, calcify and ultimately betray their users. His latest nonfiction work, , gives a name to the slow degradation of online platforms: the predictable cycle in which services begin by delighting users, then exploit them, then squeeze the businesses that depend on them, until only monopoly power remains. Cory situates this decline not as technological inevitability but as the result of specific policy choices that empowered monopolies and weakened enforcement. At the same time, Cory challenges the fatalism that often surrounds technological decline. Anti-circumvention laws, regulatory capture and collective action problems may constrain consumers, but they are not immovable forces. Cultural norms can shift. Policy can be rewritten. Markets can be redesigned. Grounded in economic literacy and moral urgency, Cory’s work calls for ethical leadership, regulatory courage and a reclamation of agency in the systems that shape our digital lives. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:43. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Cory Doctorow. (03:07) - The AI Bubble: Understanding the Economics. (06:08) - The Future of AI and Labor. (08:56) - Open Source Models and Their Potential. (11:50) - AI as a Tool: The Multiplier Effect. (14:50) - The Reality of AI’s Impact on Society. (17:57) - Billionaire Perspectives and UBI. (20:56) - The Disconnect Between Wealth and Labor. (23:49) - The Future of Work in an AI-Driven World. (30:15) - The Illusion of Value in Economic Activity. (33:34) - The Crisis of Ethical Leadership. (36:56) - The Role of Policymakers in Corporate Behavior. (38:45) - Understanding Lock-In: Users and Businesses. (40:40) - The Impact of Monopolies and Monopsonies. (49:22) - The Need for Anti-Circumvention Law Repeal. (54:24) - Cultural Norms vs. Regulation in Consumer Behavior. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40181765

Distrust, Polarization And Hypocrisy With Michael Hallsworth - TWMJ #1023 02/15/2026

Distrust, Polarization And Hypocrisy With Michael Hallsworth - TWMJ #1023 Welcome to episode #1023 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). In an era where outrage travels faster than reflection, few accusations carry as much moral force as the charge of hypocrisy… and yet few concepts are as misunderstood. is Chief Behavioral Scientist at the and a leading voice in behavioral economics, with academic appointments at the and a career devoted to understanding how real people actually think and act in complex systems. His research spans public policy, organizational behavior and social judgment, examining how incentives, norms, and cognitive biases shape everything from government programs to corporate decision-making. In his new book, , Michael challenges the conventional belief that hypocrisy is simply a moral failing to be stamped out. Instead, he reframes it as a process… an inconsistency we dislike because we believe someone is gaining an unjust benefit… and argues that relentless accusations can backfire, breeding cynicism, polarization, and institutional decay. Drawing on evolutionary psychology, behavioral science, and contemporary case studies, he distinguishes between common standards hypocrisy and the more corrosive double standards that undermine fairness itself. He explores how social media amplifies moralistic aggression, how public signaling can both distort and reshape behavior, and why tolerating certain forms of inconsistency may be necessary for leadership and democratic compromise. Rather than excusing deception, Michael calls for sharper discernment: identifying which inconsistencies cause real harm and which reflect the unavoidable trade-offs of human life. Grounded in rigorous scholarship yet strikingly practical, his work urges greater self-reflection, empathy and intellectual humility in a culture quick to condemn. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 55:05. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . Michael’s Substack, . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Hypocrisy. (02:46) - Understanding the Nature of Hypocrisy. (05:49) - The Cultural and Historical Context of Hypocrisy. (08:51) - The Evolutionary Roots of Hypocrisy. (11:50) - The Role of Hypocrisy in Politics. (14:43) - Hypocrisy in Business and Society. (17:57) - The Hypocrisy Trap Explained. (20:56) - The Balance of Hypocrisy and Honesty. (23:41) - The Emotional Impact of Hypocrisy. (26:36) - Empathy and Self-Reflection in Hypocrisy. (31:32) - Understanding Hypocrisy and Its Implications. (36:16) - The Role of Social Media in Hypocrisy. (40:56) - Navigating Integrity and Leadership. (47:09) - The Complexity of Accusations and Context. (55:13) - Rethinking Hypocrisy and Forgiveness. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40099195

Real Transformations With Phil Gilbert - TWMJ #1022 02/08/2026

Real Transformations With Phil Gilbert - TWMJ #1022 Welcome to episode #1022 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a moment when organizational change is too often treated as a mandate rather than an experience people choose to embrace, has spent his career proving that transformation only sticks when it earns genuine buy-in. Phil is a design executive, transformation leader and former General Manager of Design at , where he architected one of the largest cultural and operational shifts in corporate history, helping nearly 400,000 employees across 180 countries become more entrepreneurial, agile and customer-centered. Trained as both a designer and systems thinker, Phil brought design thinking out of studios and into the core of enterprise decision-making, reshaping how teams collaborated, how products were built, and how leaders understood their customers. His work at IBM addressed hard truths, including the company’s struggles with usability and missed opportunities in the early cloud era, by treating change itself as a product worthy of rigor, investment, and care. That experience became the foundation for his book , which blends narrative and field guide to show how large organizations can scale transformation by focusing on people, practices, and environments rather than slogans or top-down directives. Phil’s approach reframes culture as an outcome, not an initiative, arguing that lasting change emerges when employees see themselves in the future being designed. Beyond IBM, his work as an executive coach and advisor continues to focus on how leaders navigate complexity, align teams, and thoughtfully integrate technologies like AI into human systems without eroding trust or creativity. Grounded in real-world execution rather than theory, Phil’s perspective challenges organizations to stop forcing change and start making it irresistible. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:02:49. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Phil Gilbert and His Journey. (01:26) - IBM’s Transformation and Challenges. (04:17) - The Shift from Technology to Product. (10:55) - Implementing Design Thinking at IBM. (16:30) - Cultural Change and Its Impact on Outcomes. (22:53) - The Role of Teams in Transformation. (26:40) - Branding the Change: Hallmark Program. (32:22) - The Importance of Team Selection in Transformation. (34:59) - Creating Demand for Change. (37:23) - Agency and Team Resilience. (38:06) - IBM’s Market Position and Transformation. (41:14) - The Shift in Work Dynamics. (44:46) - Rethinking Office Spaces. (48:58) - Irresistible Change and Transformation Failures. (53:51) - AI Integration and Market Forces. (59:38) - The Impact of Design Thinking on Business. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/40022695

Navigating Strategy In The Age Of AI With Roger Martin - TWMJ #1021 02/01/2026

Navigating Strategy In The Age Of AI With Roger Martin - TWMJ #1021 Welcome to episode #1021 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when strategy is often confused with forecasting and certainty is mistaken for rigor, the work of insists on a more demanding discipline: making clear, integrated choices under uncertainty. Named the world’s #1 management thinker by in 2017, Roger is a , strategy advisor, and the former Dean at the at the , where he served for fifteen years and reshaped how management education engages with real-world complexity. Over decades, he has advised CEOs at companies including , , , , , and , helping leaders move beyond abstract ambition toward actionable, coherent strategies. His thinking has long been a personal touchstone for navigating difficult, high-stakes business problems, and he remains my go-to guide when confronting complexity that resists easy answers… a familiarity reinforced by his return here after previous appearances. Before academia, he spent thirteen years at , serving as co-head of the firm and grounding his thinking in the realities of corporate decision-making. His newly updated book, co-authored with , remains one of the most influential strategy texts of the modern era, distilling strategy into a set of five integrated choices about where to play and how to win, supported by capabilities and systems that reinforce those decisions. Across thirteen books and more than thirty articles, Roger has explored integrative thinking, democratic capitalism, governance and the design of business itself, consistently challenging leaders to resist false tradeoffs and simplistic answers. His work confronts contemporary issues head-on: the misuse of AI as an answer machine rather than a thinking partner, the hollowing out of education into ideological extremes, the erosion of institutional trust and the persistent illusion that the future must resemble the past. Through it all, his argument is steady and clear: strategy fundamentals endure, and superior managerial effectiveness begins with disciplined thinking, principled choice, and the courage to commit. If you’re not following , you reall should. It’s always an honor to spend tie with Roger. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 58:39. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Roger Martin. (02:53) - The Evolution of AI in Strategy. (06:05) - AI as a Thought Partner vs. Answer Provider. (09:02) - The Role of Diversity in Decision Making. (11:49) - The Impact of Education on Polarization. (15:15) - The Misapplication of Science in Society. (18:09) - Navigating Truth in Business. (21:08) - The Experimentation Mindset in Business. (31:55) - The Flaws in Business Education. (34:37) - Philosophical Perspectives on Decision Making. (40:21) - The Impact of Macro Factors on Business. (49:20) - The Shift in Global Economic Power. (55:23) - Skepticism Towards Economic Predictions. (58:01) - Trust in the Health Profession. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39943135

Boundless Creativity And Design Mastery With David "Shingy" Shing - TWMJ #1020 01/25/2026

Boundless Creativity And Design Mastery With David "Shingy" Shing - TWMJ #1020 Welcome to episode #1020 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when technology listens more closely than people realize and advertising feels less predictive than presumptive, understanding how culture, data and human behavior collide has become essential. has spent his career at that intersection, shaping how global brands think about creativity, relevance and the emotional consequences of digital systems. Know as the Digital Prophet at (and then ) and a very influential voice in modern branding and innovation, Shingy has advised companies, leaders and creatives on how emerging technologies reshape not just markets, but meaning itself. His work has consistently challenged organizations to move beyond optimization toward empathy, imagination and cultural intelligence. He argues that the most important signals in a data-saturated world are often the quietest ones. That perspective now finds a more personal, reflective outlet in his , a newsletter focused on branding, culture, AI and the human side of technology. He explores how conversational data, algorithmic inference and attention-driven business models are altering the relationship between consumers and the systems designed to serve them. Shingy examines why ads increasingly feel intrusive rather than helpful, how conversations themselves have become raw material for targeting and why consumer fatigue is less about frequency than about lost agency. Shingy’s work surfaces a growing tension between personalization and privacy, usefulness and surveillance, convenience and control. He argues that as machines become better listeners, brands must become better stewards of restraint, intent and respect... or risk eroding the very relationships they’re trying to monetize. Grounded in curiosity and creative provocation, his thinking offers a necessary counterweight to an industry too often obsessed with what can be done instead of what should be done. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:02:31. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . ’s Substack. Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Evolution of Digital and Consumer Behavior. (05:01) - Generative AI: A New Paradigm. (10:02) - Creativity in the Age of AI. (20:11) - Marketing in a Changing Landscape. (32:10) - The Shift from Influence to Interpretation. (35:03) - The Evolution of Content Creation. (39:00) - Niche Markets and the New Mass. (44:07) - The Complexity of Advertising and Intent. (51:03) - Power Dynamics in the Age of AI. (57:02) - The Future of Creativity and Connection. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39854660

Leadership Unblocked With Muriel Wilkins - TWMJ #1019 01/18/2026

Leadership Unblocked With Muriel Wilkins - TWMJ #1019 Welcome to episode #1019 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when leadership is being tested less by strategy and more by inner capacity, clarity of judgment and emotional steadiness, the work of stands out for its insistence that progress begins from the inside out. Muriel is an executive coach, CEO of , and a trusted advisor to senior leaders navigating complexity at the highest levels of organizations, drawing on more than two decades of experience working with C-suite executives and high-potential leaders. A graduate with a background in consulting and corporate leadership, she brings uncommon credibility to the often-abstract world of coaching, pairing business fluency with deep insight into human behavior, adult development and decision-making under pressure. Her book, , distills years of coaching practice into a clear-eyed examination of the unconscious beliefs that quietly constrain leaders, revealing how assumptions about control, certainty, identity and responsibility shape (and often limit) how leaders respond to challenge. Rather than offering tactical fixes or performative confidence, Muriel’s work focuses on expanding a leader’s capacity to hold complexity, see multiple options and respond with intention rather than reflex. She explores how leaders mature over time, why success can actually stall growth, and how unexamined beliefs turn everyday pressure into unnecessary suffering. Her perspective reframes leadership development as adult development, emphasizing that the ability to lead others sustainably depends on a leader’s willingness to do their own internal work. In an era defined by uncertainty, generational shifts and accelerating technology, Muriel’s thinking argues for a quieter but more demanding form of leadership... one rooted in self-awareness, discernment and the courage to question one’s own mental models before attempting to change anyone else’s. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 52:33. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . Podcast. Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Executive Coaching. (02:13) - The Journey to Coaching. (05:26) - Common Themes in Leadership. (07:37) - The Evolution of Executive Coaching. (10:50) - Leadership as Coaching. (11:49) - Generational Shifts in Leadership. (15:08) - Adult Development and Leadership. (17:57) - The Illusion of Status. (20:55) - Authenticity in Leadership. (24:42) - Adult Development Theory in Practice. (26:41) - Understanding Adult Development Theory. (30:04) - The Evolution of Coaching Practices. (32:12) - Shifting Perspectives on Leadership. (34:53) - The Role of AI in Leadership. (39:47) - Discernment and Decision-Making in Leadership. (47:44) - Navigating Current Challenges in Leadership. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39754380

More Humane Work With Joe O'Connor - TWMJ #1018 01/11/2026

More Humane Work With Joe O'Connor - TWMJ #1018 Welcome to episode #1018 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a moment when burnout is normalized and productivity is still measured by hours rather than impact, the five-day workweek is starting to look less like a foundation of modern life and more like an outdated design choice. is the CEO of and one of the world’s leading architects of the four-day workweek, having designed and led large-scale pilots across multiple countries, industries and organizational types. His work sits at the intersection of labor economics, organizational culture and performance design, helping companies rethink how work actually gets done in a knowledge-based, AI-accelerated economy. Joe has advised governments, nonprofits and private-sector leaders on how to redesign work in ways that improve employee well-being while maintaining (or increasing) organizational performance, challenging deeply held assumptions about time, output and commitment. His new book, (with co-author ), brings together research, real-world case studies and global experimentation to argue that the five-day workweek is neither inevitable nor optimal. Joe shows how reducing work time can sharpen focus, improve equity and force organizations to confront outdated productivity metrics built for an industrial era. He also examines how AI is accelerating the need for new work models, exposing the inefficiencies of activity-based measurement and pushing leaders to define productivity in terms of outcomes, not presence. Grounded in data yet pragmatic about cultural resistance, Joe’s perspective positions the four-day workweek not as an employee concession, but as a competitive advantage for organizations willing to rethink the rules of work before the market forces them to. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 55:55. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Evolution of the Work Week. (02:57) - Rethinking Productivity in the Age of AI. (05:50) - Work-Life Balance: A Modern Dilemma. (09:09) - The Four-Day Work Week: A Societal Aspiration. (12:08) - AI’s Impact on Work Structures. (15:03) - Cultural Dynamics in Work Environments. (17:58) - Challenges in Implementing Change. (21:09) - Market Forces and the Future of Work. (29:56) - The Evolution of the Four-Day Work Week. (35:30) - Measuring Productivity in a New Work Model. (42:15) - Cultural Dynamics and Leadership in the Four-Day Work Week. (48:55) - AI’s Role in Shaping Future Work Models. (53:22) - Gender Equality and Flexibility in the Workplace. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39674320

Why We're All Digitally Exhausted With Paul Leonardi - TWMJ #1017 01/04/2026

Why We're All Digitally Exhausted With Paul Leonardi - TWMJ #1017 Welcome to episode #1017 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when technology promises limitless capability yet leaves so many people mentally depleted, the question is no longer whether digital tools are powerful, but whether we know how to live with them. is a leading expert on digital transformation, the future of work, and organizational networks, with more than two decades of research and advisory work focused on how technology reshapes collaboration, innovation, and human behavior. A professor at the , where he holds the Duca Family Endowed Chair and chairs the , Paul has advised Fortune 500 companies, startups, and nonprofits on navigating the people side of technological change. His work has shaped global conversations, translating rigorous research into practical frameworks leaders can actually use. His latest book, , confronts a growing paradox of modern work and life: technologies that make everything possible are also wearing us down. Drawing on years of research and real-world observation, Paul explains why digital exhaustion isn’t simply about screen time, but about constant task switching, inference-making in data-saturated environments, and the emotional toll of being perpetually reachable. He examines how capitalist incentives and addictive design amplify fatigue, why generational differences don’t offer immunity, and how the collapse of clear boundaries between work, home, and identity has created a new baseline of psychological strain. Rather than advocating withdrawal or digital detoxes, Paul offers a more realistic path rooted in intentionality, clearer norms, and conscious choices about which tools deserve our attention. His work reframes exhaustion not as personal failure, but as a systemic condition that can be managed through better design, better habits, and a more humane relationship with technology. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:02:56. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Digital Exhaustion. (02:48) - The Dark Side of Technology. (06:13) - The Role of Capitalism in Digital Overwhelm. (09:00) - Generational Perspectives on Technology. (11:55) - The Search for Baselines in Digital Interaction. (14:54) - The Psychological and Physical Aspects of Exhaustion. (17:46) - Addiction to Technology. (20:55) - Strategies for Managing Digital Tools. (23:52) - The Complexity of Productivity in the Digital Age. (26:51) - The Future of AI and Digital Interaction. (32:37) - The Data Arms Race and Human Representation. (34:58) - The Shift from Attention to Intimacy Economy. (38:02) - Default Urgency and Social Norms in Communication. (42:19) - The Power of Intentional Response. (46:00) - Attention Span: Short vs. Long. (53:02) - The Joy of Missing Out vs. Fear of Missing Out. (56:35) - Parenting in the Age of Social Media. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39419450

AI And The Future Of Marketing With Mark Schaefer - TWMJ #1016 12/28/2025

AI And The Future Of Marketing With Mark Schaefer - TWMJ #1016 Welcome to episode #1016 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a moment when artificial intelligence is reshaping not just how markets operate but how people think, feel, decide and connect, understanding the human consequences of that shift has become essential. is a keynote speaker, educator, strategist, and a voice in modern marketing, with more than three decades of experience spanning global sales, public relations and brand strategy. He is a faculty member at . Mark’s latest book, , extends his body of work by examining how AI is quietly rewiring consumer psychology, trust, agency, empathy, and belonging (be sure to ). Rather than focusing on algorithms or tools, Mark explores how customers are becoming more machine-assisted, less patient, more dependent on automation, and increasingly hungry for meaning and connection in a world optimized for efficiency. He argues that curiosity, art, and human connection are strategic advantages rather than soft ideals. Grounded in research, lived experience, and cultural observation, his work challenges marketers and leaders to rethink relevance, rethink loyalty, and rethink what it means to serve customers whose decisions are increasingly shaped by machines. At its core, Mark’s perspective reframes AI not as a threat to humanity, but as a force that exposes what only humans can still do well…if they choose to lean into it. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:06:07. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . Book Mark for your next meeting on ThinkersOne. . . Read . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Mark Schaefer and AI’s Impact. (03:00) - The Dual Nature of AI: Exciting and Terrifying. (06:09) - Cultural Shifts and AI’s Influence on Humanity. (08:53) - Curiosity and Learning in the Age of AI. (12:08) - The Role of AI in Content Creation. (14:57) - Art, Tools, and the Essence of Creativity. (17:54) - The Illusion of Intimacy in AI. (21:05) - Navigating the Attention vs. Intimacy Economy. (23:54) - The Future of AI and Human Connection. (37:13) - Cultural Perspectives on AI and Work. (39:06) - AI Sovereignty and Global Implications. (41:23) - The Human Element in AI and Marketing. (43:42) - The Challenge of Authenticity in AI Content. (45:52) - Navigating Trust in a Digital Age. (49:20) - Generational Differences in Trust and Truth. (53:02) - The Role of Curiosity in the Age of AI. (56:46) - The Future of Trust and AI in Business. (01:01:40) - The Impact of AI on Human Connection. (01:03:59) - Embracing AI for Positive Change. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39417980

Navigate Hidden Markets With Judd Kessler - TWMJ #1015 12/21/2025

Navigate Hidden Markets With Judd Kessler - TWMJ #1015 Welcome to episode #1015 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a moment when scarcity shapes everything from opportunity to attention, understanding who gets what (and why) has become one of the most consequential questions in modern life. is the inaugural Howard Marks Endowed Professor at the , an award-winning economist, and one of the leading thinkers in market design, public policy and behavioral economics. His research examines how rules, incentives, and institutional structures shape outcomes in environments where price alone cannot (or should not) decide allocation, from organ donation systems to education, labor markets, and beyond. Recognized early for his impact, Judd was named one of ’ “30 Under 30” in Law and Policy for his work on organ allocation and received the Vernon L. Smith Ascending Scholar Prize in 2021. His first (and new) book, , distills years of research into how “hidden markets” - those governed by rules rather than prices - quietly determine access to jobs, schools, tickets, healthcare, and even relationships. Judd explores the mechanics of scarcity, the strategic role of lotteries, waiting lists, and signaling, and how individuals unknowingly participate in market design every day. He also examines how AI is beginning to reshape allocation systems, why visible markets increasingly contain hidden layers, and how better design can improve both efficiency and equity. Grounded in rigorous scholarship yet deeply practical, Judd’s work reframes luck not as randomness, but as something shaped by systems we can understand and sometimes redesign. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 57:59. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Navigating Economic Sentiments. (03:03) - Understanding Hidden Markets. (06:11) - The Dynamics of Scarcity and Value. (08:53) - The Role of Consultants in Hidden Markets. (11:48) - Market Design and Equity. (14:57) - Strategies for Market Participation. (18:11) - The Impact of Social Proof on Demand. (20:54) - Reimagining Market Structures. (31:57) - Creating Scarcity and Demand. (34:28) - Market Design and Allocation Strategies. (36:39) - The Impact of Replicas and Knockoffs. (46:44) - Hidden Markets: Positive or Negative? (49:47) - AI in Market Design. (59:01) - Becoming a Market Designer. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39416465

Creators And Entrepreneurs With Joe Pulizzi - TWMJ #1014 12/14/2025

Creators And Entrepreneurs With Joe Pulizzi - TWMJ #1014 Welcome to episode #1014 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a moment when careers feel increasingly precarious and algorithms quietly dictate how value is created and captured, it’s worth learning from someone who has spent more than two decades helping creators and entrepreneurs reclaim ownership of their work and their futures. is the founder of multiple influential startups, including , the and is widely recognized as the person who first coined the term “content marketing” in 2001, long before it became an industry unto itself. A bestselling author of seven books, including and , Joe has helped shape how organizations and individuals think about audience building, trust, and long-term value creation, earning the Content Council’s Lifetime Achievement Award for his impact on the field. After successfully exiting Content Marketing Institute in 2016, he expanded his creative range by writing the award-winning mystery novel , while continuing to host two long-running podcasts, including , the longest-running marketing news podcast in the world. His latest book, , serves as the catalyst for this conversation and reflects a deeply personal mission inspired by his children: to help people stop renting their futures and start building assets they truly own. In the discussion, Joe explores the evolution of content and audience strategy, the underestimated power of repetition in building trust, the growing importance of individual creators over faceless brands, and why human connection matters more than ever in this AI-accelerated world. He also addresses the role of paid promotion, the practical integration of AI into creative work, and why serving a clearly defined audience remains the most durable path to meaning, freedom, and sustainable wealth. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 59:52. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Joe Pulizzi’s Mission. (02:54) - The Evolution of Podcasting and Legacy Content. (05:50) - Building Relationships Through Repetition. (08:59) - Understanding Audience and Business Models. (11:54) - Navigating Career Paths in a Changing Landscape. (15:07) - The Importance of Human Connection. (17:45) - Overcoming Barriers in a Digital World. (20:52) - The Power of Experimentation and New Platforms. (30:11) - Killing What Doesn’t Work. (32:49) - The Power of Focused Content Creation. (36:40) - Paid Promotion vs. Organic Reach. (38:45) - Rented vs. Owned Content. (43:48) - The Individual vs. The Brand. (48:54) - AI and the Future of Content Creation. (56:43) - Redefining Success in a Changing World. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39388760

Emotionally Intelligent Teams With Vanessa Urch Druskat - TWMJ #1013 12/07/2025

Emotionally Intelligent Teams With Vanessa Urch Druskat - TWMJ #1013 Welcome to episode #1013 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). At a time when organizations are wrestling with fractured cultures, hybrid work, and teams struggling to stay connected, it helps to learn from someone who has spent three decades proving that collaboration is not a personality trait but a designed environment, which is why this episode turns to the work of , an award-winning researcher, educator at the , and one of the world’s leading experts on team emotional intelligence. Vanessa has devoted her career to understanding how teams actually function in the real world, conducting years of field research inside global companies, university systems, and high-pressure environments to uncover the norms, habits, and emotional cues that separate high-performing groups from those that merely coexist. She is a pioneer of the , a framework now used by leaders around the world to build team cultures rooted in shared understanding, psychological safety, and constructive emotional expression. Her latest book, , anchors this conversation and brings together decades of research showing that great teams are not the inevitable result of great individuals but the product of intentional cultures that enable people to listen, challenge, support, and adapt together. In our discussion, Vanessa explores the evolution of emotional intelligence in the workplace, the persistent resistance to emotional concepts in both academia and business, and the growing gap between individual achievement systems and the collective realities of modern work. She explains why leaders must think more like coaches, why norms matter more than personalities, how remote work demands more deliberate emotional connection, and why teams must continually review and recalibrate their dynamics to sustain high performance. Drawing on insights from social neuroscience, organizational psychology, and global fieldwork, she shows how belonging, shared understanding, and a sense of influence are not “soft skills” but hard prerequisites for collaboration in an increasingly polarized and distracted world. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 55:07. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Emotional Intelligence in Teams. (04:14) - The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence in the Workplace. (09:45) - Resistance to Emotional Intelligence in Academia and Business. (14:30) - The Importance of Team Dynamics. (19:30) - The Role of Leaders as Coaches. (26:07) - Building a Culture of Collaboration. (31:40) - Navigating Remote Work Challenges. (39:03) - The Power of Eye Contact and Connection. (42:15) - Understanding Team Members for Better Collaboration. (47:27) - Monitoring Team Health and Dynamics. (51:10) - The Impact of Culture on Team Performance. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39292530

Facing Fear And Finding Purpose With Ranjay Gulati - TWMJ #1012 11/30/2025

Facing Fear And Finding Purpose With Ranjay Gulati - TWMJ #1012 Welcome to episode #1012 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation). Amid a moment when uncertainty defines every industry and leaders everywhere are confronting fear disguised as strategy, it is worth turning to someone who has spent his career decoding how individuals and organizations find the courage to act, which is why this week’s guest, , offers such rare authority. Ranjay is the Paul R. Lawrence MBA Class of 1942 Professor at , a globally recognized organizational sociologist, bestselling author, and one of the world’s most cited scholars on leadership, strategy, and culture. His research has shaped how companies think about growth, resilience, and high-performance environments, and his teaching in Harvard’s executive and senior-leader programs has influenced thousands of CEOs navigating transformation and complexity. Before this latest work, he authored landmark books such as and built a career studying how organizations thrive in adversity, drawing on field research with global enterprises, fast-growth ventures, and leaders operating in the highest-stakes environments. His new book, , anchors this conversation and reflects more than a decade of inquiry into how courage operates - not as myth or personality, but as a learnable, repeatable set of cognitive, emotional, and social processes. In our conversation, Ranjay explains the psychology of fear, the organizational traps created by success, the cultural shifts redefining leadership post-Covid, and why courageous action depends on purpose, identity, and the right forms of support. He illustrates these ideas through stories ranging from nuclear-plant operators to turnaround CEOs to everyday workplace dilemmas, showing how boldness emerges in moments both dramatic and ordinary. With his blend of academic rigor, global fieldwork, and practical insight from advising major companies, Ranjay reveals courage as a continuum that shapes teams, leaders, and cultures, and reminds us that most regret comes not from what we do, but what we avoid. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 51:51. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on . Check out . Here is my conversation with . . . . Sign up for Ranjay’s newsletter: . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Ranjay Gulati and His Work. (05:53) - Understanding Fear and Uncertainty. (11:37) - Courage as a Continuum: Physical vs. Moral. (17:26) - Collective Courage in Organizations. (22:51) - Navigating Boldness in a Cancel Culture. (27:38) - Understanding Courage in Leadership. (32:33) - The Success Trap: Risks of Complacency. (37:47) - The Six C’s of Courage. (42:58) - Fostering Collective Courage in Hybrid Work. (47:54) - Courage as an Inner Journey. /episode/index/show/sixpixels/id/39192260

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