Six Pixels of Separation Podcast
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SPOS #995 – Nelson Repenning On Delivering Real Results At Work
08/03/2025
SPOS #995 – Nelson Repenning On Delivering Real Results At Work
Welcome to episode #995 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. has built his career at and by asking a simple but haunting question: why do so many smart, capable organizations fail to get the right work done? In his new book, , Nelson (along with his co-author, ) introduces dynamic work design: a practical framework that helps leaders move beyond broken systems and toward better execution. In this conversation, we explore the five principles behind this approach: solving the right problem, structuring for discovery, connecting the human chain, regulating for flow and visualizing the work. We talk about how businesses become addicted to heroics and strategic ambiguity, and how this culture often traps people in cycles of fire-fighting and busywork that look productive but deliver little. Nelson shares stories from his experience applying these principles in casinos, hospitals, biotech labs, and even homeless shelters (environments where urgency is real, resources are stretched and clarity can make or break outcomes). We also discuss how leadership often overcomplicates productivity with reorgs and top-down mandates, instead of fixing the structural design flaws that block meaningful progress. Nelson is quick to point out that the work isn’t just about doing more: it’s about doing it better… and that better means aligning actual workflow with the outcomes organizations care about. He reflects on his early days as a student at MIT and why dynamic work design is less a management fad and more a necessary shift in how modern teams operate. If you’re tired of watching your best people get burned out chasing KPIs while nothing fundamental improves, this episode offers a clearer path. We also get into the tension between change management and change design, and why the latter matters more in a world flooded with noise, complexity and well-intentioned but ineffective solutions. This is a sharp and focused take on work culture from someone who’s spent a lifetime challenging the systems beneath it. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:22. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Nelson Repenning. (02:55) - The Journey to System Dynamics. (05:55) - Bridging Theory and Practice in Organizations. (09:14) - The Challenge of Success and Anomalies. (11:54) - Dynamic Work Design: From Manufacturing to Knowledge Work. (15:06) - The Role of AI in Knowledge Work. (18:12) - Manufacturing's Future and National Security. (20:58) - The Integration of Design and Manufacturing. (32:01) - The Complexity of Manufacturing and Supply Chains. (33:14) - Dynamic Work Design: A New Approach. (35:34) - Identifying and Solving the Right Problems. (39:28) - The Disconnect Between Management and Ground Realities. (42:14) - Adapting Management Practices for Hybrid Work. (45:33) - Visual Management in Knowledge Work. (52:44) - Regulating Flow to Prevent Overload. (58:41) - The Psychological Hurdles of Change.
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SPOS #994 – Vicki Tan On Life's Big And Little Decisions
07/27/2025
SPOS #994 – Vicki Tan On Life's Big And Little Decisions
Welcome to episode #994 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. has designed experiences for some of the most influential companies in the world (, , , , ) and her work has always focused on helping people make better choices in complex environments. Her new book, , continues that mission in a radically creative form. This isn’t your typical self-help guide. It’s an interactive journey through the beautiful mess of human decision-making, shaped by the science of cognitive bias, the power of storytelling and the playfulness of visual design. Vicki explores how our mental shortcuts shape everything - from whether we leave our job to how we fall in love - and how reframing our questions can unlock more clarity than any answer ever could. She talks about the tension between intuition and logic, the real-world costs of not understanding our own biases and the way interface design and behavior design intersect in both delightful and dangerous ways. In this epsiode, she also digs into the deeper story behind the book: How she collaborated with artists to visualize psychological concepts and why she believes our decisions deserve more compassion than critique. This episode is for anyone who’s ever overthought a text message… or stood paralyzed in a grocery aisle… or wondered why being human feels so confusing sometimes. Which is to say: it’s for all of us. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 54:55. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Vicki Tan and Her Journey. (02:57) - Balancing Work and Writing. (05:55) - Understanding Product Design. (08:56) - The Role of Luck in Career Success. (12:00) - The Importance of Asking Questions. (15:01) - The Process of Writing a Book. (17:49) - Cognitive Biases and Decision Making. (20:52) - Cultural Perspectives on Risk. (24:10) - Engaging with the Book and Its Purpose. (28:23) - The Polarization of Society and Technology's Role. (29:16) - The Evolution of Music Consumption and Its Implications. (32:16) - Designing for the Future: The Role of Creators. (37:25) - Risk Tolerance and the Art of Quitting. (41:41) - Navigating Decision Fatigue in a Complex World. (46:08) - The Impact of AI on Decision Making. (52:20) - Understanding Time and Decision Making in a Vortex of Choices.
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SPOS #993 – Angela Chee On The Power Of Only
07/20/2025
SPOS #993 – Angela Chee On The Power Of Only
Welcome to episode #993 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is a keynote speaker, media and communication coach, and author of , a book that challenges us to rethink the spaces we occupy and the voices we often silence… especially our own. In this conversation, Angela explores what it means to truly “own your voice” in an era defined by visibility and vulnerability, noise and nuance. Angela speaks candidly about how being the “only” in the room (whether because of race, gender, background, or perspective) is not a disadvantage but a profound source of power and insight. We discuss the emotional tension of the spotlight effect, where the desire to be seen and the fear of judgment collide, and how discernment (not just visibility) becomes the essential skill for modern communication. Angela opens up about the importance of balancing authenticity with intention, and why the journey of discovering your voice is never really over. It’s a practice, a reclaiming and a reshaping of self in response to a constantly shifting cultural landscape. We touch on the rise of AI, the tension of audience capture, the commodification of personality, and the difference between performance and presence. Angela’s perspective is grounded in clarity and connection, and she brings both wisdom and structure to the chaos of today’s media environment. Her Five Principles of The Power of the Only are not just a framework for communication, they’re a roadmap for identity and leadership in uncertain times. This conversation is for anyone feeling overwhelmed by the demand to “show up” in public, who wonders if they’re saying too much or not enough, or who is searching for the courage to take up space without apology. If you’ve ever felt like an outsider at work, in life, or even in your own skin, this episode reminds us that our difference isn’t something to overcome. It’s the very thing that makes us whole. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 58:53. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . Follow . Follow . Book Angela for your next meeting on . Chapters: (00:00) - The Power of Communication and Visibility. (03:09) - Navigating the Spotlight Effect. (06:03) - Owning Your Voice and Power. (08:53) - The Evolution of Personal Branding. (11:52) - Balancing Authenticity and Marketing. (15:11) - The Challenge of Expertise vs. Ego. (17:53) - Media Literacy and Cultural Change. (29:34) - The Shift from Value to Volume. (32:15) - Navigating Audience Capture and Content Creation. (35:41) - Redefining 'Only' as Empowerment. (38:07) - Embracing Unique Identities in Leadership. (42:08) - Innate Skills vs. Self-Limiting Beliefs. (49:05) - The Rise of AI and Digital Twins. (54:31) - Monetizing Individuality in a Capitalist World. (57:37) - The Importance of Human Connection.
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SPOS #992 – Dave Whorton On Building Companies That Last
07/13/2025
SPOS #992 – Dave Whorton On Building Companies That Last
Welcome to episode #992 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. has spent his career building, backing and reimagining companies, but not in the way Silicon Valley usually does it. As founder of and author of (which he co-authored with ), Dave champions a different breed of business: evergreen companies. These are organizations designed to last generations, rooted in purpose, resilience and profitability… not just hypergrowth and exit strategies. Before this pivot, Dave had a front-row seat to the “get-big-fast” movement as an associate partner at , and he co-founded ventures like and . But the treadmill of fast capital and faster exits didn’t resonate. He stepped off and sought a more meaningful model, eventually codifying it into the 7 Ps of Evergreen: purpose, perseverance, people first, and more. In this conversation, Dave explores the cultural and economic consequences of chasing unicorns, and what’s gained when we celebrate the quiet power of companies in the middle. Those not seeking fame or fortune but focused on sustainable impact. Dave talks about the role of introverted leadership, long-term planning, and what capitalism can look like when it’s driven by values rather than valuations. If you’ve ever felt that the venture-backed startup narrative doesn’t tell the whole story or if you’re building something you want to last, this conversation might just give you language and hope. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:00:43. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Evergreen Companies. (02:47) - The Shift in Capitalism. (05:52) - The Spectrum of Capitalism. (08:55) - The Role of Venture Capital. (11:50) - Defining Scale in Business. (15:08) - The Importance of SMBs. (17:53) - The Seven Ps of Evergreen Companies. (21:13) - Revisiting Venture Capital Models. (23:54) - Celebrating Success and the Power Law. (31:40) - Reflecting on the Journey: The Value of the Middle. (33:14) - The Economic Landscape: Building Evergreen Companies. (34:38) - Historical Perspective: Resilience in Business. (38:15) - The Role of Evergreen Companies in a Changing Economy. (40:19) - Compensation and Value Distribution in Evergreen Companies. (42:29) - Resisting the Unicorn Mentality: A Different Path. (47:31) - From Manifesto to Strategy: The Evergreen Approach. (51:49) - The Culture of Evergreen Leadership: Introversion and Stewardship.
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SPOS #991 – Bob Goodson On The "Like" Button (And How It Changed The World)
07/06/2025
SPOS #991 – Bob Goodson On The "Like" Button (And How It Changed The World)
Welcome to episode #991 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is President and Founder of , an AI-driven company whose models are used by a third of the Fortune 50. Before launching Quid, he was the first employee at , where he witnessed (and helped shape) the birth of the like button. Bob’s academic roots in language theory () and his deep curiosity about patterns of innovation led him to co-author , an illuminating book about how a simple social media feature rewired global communication and commerce. In this episode, we dig into the origin story of the like button and its unintended consequences - from how it shaped the social graph into a tool of surveillance capitalism, to the unintended shifts it created in digital identity and culture. Bob shares insights into the “arms race” of social engagement, the design intentions behind digital signals, and the eerie power of such tiny UX decisions to shape massive behavioral patterns. We also discuss ’s model of engagement, the overlooked nuance of the thumbs down, and the responsibility of technologists in shaping society. For marketers, platform builders and cultural observers, this conversation is a deep dive into how the smallest code fragments can shape our biggest societal shifts. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 52:16. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . Co-Author . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Birth of the Like Button. (04:02) - Evolution of User Interaction. (10:05) - The Emergence of Data Graphs. (14:59) - The Role of Thumbs Up and Down. (20:13) - Cultural Impact and Manipulation of Engagement. (27:03) - The Evolution of Social Media Strategies. (30:12) - The Arms Race for Attention in Social Media. (36:34) - The Impact of the Like Button on Identity. (41:43) - Regulation and the Unintended Consequences of Technology. (50:10) - Long-Term Perspectives on Technology and Society.
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SPOS #990 – Lori Rosenkopf On Creating Value Through Innovation
06/29/2025
SPOS #990 – Lori Rosenkopf On Creating Value Through Innovation
Welcome to episode #990 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is the Simon and Midge Palley Professor at the , and currently serves as the Vice Dean of Entrepreneurship. In that role, she oversees Wharton’s and its West Coast campus, while continuing her long-standing research into social networks, innovation and how knowledge flows between people, companies and technologies. Before her academic career, Lori worked as a systems engineer for and , giving her a rare blend of practical and academic insight into how organizations innovate. She’s also the author of the new book . It’s a smart, grounded book that expands the definition of entrepreneurship, shifting it away from the mythology of Silicon Valley unicorns toward a more inclusive, pragmatic framework of value creation across industries and backgrounds. Lori’s experience guiding more than 20,000 students has helped her see entrepreneurship not as a single path, but a set of diverse approaches, whether you're building something disruptive, innovating inside a larger company, or launching a mission-driven startup. In this episode, we explore the evolving nature of entrepreneurial identity and why many of the old narratives no longer fit. We talk about the role of failure, the rise of creators as entrepreneurs and the impact of AI on idea generation. Lori also shares her thoughts on market fit, how to foster innovation in organizations, and why community and mentorship are more critical than ever. There’s a realism here that’s refreshing: entrepreneurship isn’t always glamorous, but it can be deeply meaningful. We also dive into the challenges of corporate disruption, the future of work and the tension between profit and social impact. If you’ve ever felt like you don’t fit the stereotype of an entrepreneur, this conversation might help you realize that the stereotype is the problem… not you. It’s a powerful reflection on how we build, why we build and who gets to build. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 56:28. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Entrepreneurship and Innovation. (03:01) - The Ecosystem of Entrepreneurship Education. (06:02) - Dispelling Myths: The Reality of Entrepreneurs. (08:57) - Defining Entrepreneurship: Value Creation Through Innovation. (12:04) - The Shopify Effect: Accessibility and Challenges in Entrepreneurship. (15:01) - Surviving the Grind: The Reality of Entrepreneurial Life. (18:03) - Market Fit: The Holy Grail of Entrepreneurship. (20:50) - The Rise of the Content Creator as Entrepreneur. (31:18) - The Cult of Personality in Entrepreneurship. (32:40) - The Role of Age in Entrepreneurship. (34:36) - AI and Idea Generation for Entrepreneurs. (39:21) - The Disruption of Traditional Corporate Roles. (41:42) - Value Creation Beyond Profitability. (44:31) - Changing Work Culture and Entrepreneurial Mindset. (46:34) - Innovations in Business Models and Technology. (48:47) - The Importance of Community in Entrepreneurship. (51:52) - Trends in Entrepreneurship and Future Outlook. (54:34) - Understanding Failure in Entrepreneurship. (55:56) - Wealth Inequality and the Role of Entrepreneurs.
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SPOS #989 – Andrew Brodsky On The Secrets Of Virtual Communications
06/22/2025
SPOS #989 – Andrew Brodsky On The Secrets Of Virtual Communications
Welcome to episode #989 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is reshaping how we think about work, not by focusing on tasks or tools, but by interrogating how we communicate. A management professor at the at , Andrew specializes in organizational behavior, with a sharp focus on the friction (and possibility) that emerges when human behavior meets digital platforms. With a PhD from and a BS from , his work explores everything from how to show emotional authenticity on to how organizations can build culture without a physical office. In his new book, , Andrew offers a science-backed, research-driven guide to the biggest question facing modern professionals: when should something be an email, a , a video call or nothing at all? He pushes past the cliché of "this meeting could’ve been an email” to examine what kinds of communication actually drive clarity, trust and effectiveness. In this episode, we explore the messy reality of hybrid work, the erosion of “third places” where colleagues used to casually connect, and the deeper organizational consequences of fragmented communication norms. Andrew explains why remote work isn’t the root of all workplace disconnection (return-to-office mandates won’t fix your culture) and how better communication (intentional, strategic, well-matched to the message) is the real differentiator for teams. We also talk about the long-term implications of this shift: from how loneliness is showing up in employee engagement surveys to how new communication technologies might shape our future work rhythms. Whether you're leading a team, working across time zones, or just trying to get a response to your last message, this conversation offers practical takeaways grounded in deep expertise and real-world research. Andrew’s insights cut through the noise and help us see virtual communication not as a limitation, but as an opportunity to be more human, more clear and more connected… no matter the channel. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:03:22. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Evolution of Virtual Communication. (02:50) - Understanding Virtual Communication. (05:48) - The Challenges of Virtual Interactions. (09:03) - The Role of Communication in Performance. (12:04) - Optimizing Remote Work Culture. (15:02) - The Future of Meetings and Collaboration. (17:49) - Teaching Communication Skills. (20:59) - Investing in Effective Communication. (24:05) - The Impact of Remote Work on Relationships. (27:04) - The Future of Work and Economic Implications. (33:28) - The Shift in Workplace Dynamics. (39:15) - The Evolution of Social Spaces. (41:53) - The Role of Technology in Communication. (49:30) - Navigating Virtual Interactions. (01:01:11) - Lessons Learned from Covid 19.
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SPOS #988 – Julian Treasure On Listening, Sounds And Superpowers
06/15/2025
SPOS #988 – Julian Treasure On Listening, Sounds And Superpowers
Welcome to episode #988 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. believes the world needs to learn how to listen again. You may know him from his , - one of the most viewed of all time (over 65 million views). But long before going viral, Julian was helping companies and individuals rethink their relationship with sound - as founder of , author of and , and now with his new book . Julian’s work spans science, music, psychology, and design - from biophilic soundscapes in office buildings to sonic branding for global brands. In this conversation, he breaks down why we confuse hearing with listening, how silence is often the most powerful part of any conversation, and why we need to teach listening the same way we teach reading and writing. We also explore the risks of AI-generated music, the future of compassion in polarized discourse, and why democracy itself might hinge on our ability to listen consciously. Julian also recently launched (a community for anyone interested in the power listening and sound). Julian’s life is a testament to the power of sound... and why we must all become better listeners. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 51:06. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . . Julian’s . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Sound and Listening. (02:49) - The Importance of Listening in Education. (06:10) - Hearing vs. Listening: Understanding the Distinction. (09:08) - The Role of Silence in Communication. (12:11) - Cultural Influences on Listening. (15:12) - Active Listening vs. Attentive Listening. (17:56) - The Impact of Technology on Listening. (20:52) - Conscious Listening and Its Benefits. (24:47) - The State of Discourse and Listening. (30:29) - Practical Steps to Improve Listening. (34:38) - The Science of Sound and Its Impact. (39:04) - The Unifying Power of Music. (46:12) - AI and the Future of Sound. (50:14) - Starting from Where You Are.
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SPOS #987 - Cindy Anderson On The ROI Of Thought Leadership
06/08/2025
SPOS #987 - Cindy Anderson On The ROI Of Thought Leadership
Welcome to episode #987 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is on a mission to bring clarity, standards, and serious business impact to thought leadership. As Global Lead for Engagement & Eminence at ’s and the , Cindy has spent years leading one of the most ambitious research efforts ever undertaken on this topic. The result is her new book, , co-authored with . In it, Cindy reveals what more than 4000 C-level executives told IBM about how they consume, value, and act on thought leadership, and why some content drives sales while most gets ignored. In this conversation, we unpack what truly makes someone a thought leader, why AI is simultaneously diluting and accelerating the field, and what it means to play at the top of the marketing funnel with 156% ROI on the line. This isn’t about personal branding... it’s about strategic business outcomes. We also explore how trust, frequency and format shape impact, and what companies must do to avoid audience fatigue. For anyone who creates, funds or is trying to measure thought leadership this one’s essential listening. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 55:18. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Thought Leadership and Its Importance. (03:00) - Challenges in Measuring Thought Leadership ROI. (05:52) - Defining Thought Leadership: Evidence-Based Intelligence. (09:03) - The Role of Consultants in Thought Leadership. (11:55) - The Impact of Generative AI on Thought Leadership. (15:04) - Commercialization and Standards in Thought Leadership. (18:00) - The Future of Thought Leadership in a Noisy World. (29:37) - The Eighth P of Marketing: Thought Leadership. (32:27) - ROI of Thought Leadership: A Game Changer. (36:08) - The Role of Presentation in Thought Leadership. (39:43) - Engagement and Sharing: The Dynamics of Thought Leadership. (48:52) - Trust in Thought Leadership: Building Credibility. (51:04) - The Importance of Frequency and Velocity in Thought Leadership. (55:14) - Establishing Trust and Credibility in a Distrustful World.
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SPOS #986 – Pico Iyer On Silence As A Technology
06/01/2025
SPOS #986 – Pico Iyer On Silence As A Technology
Welcome to episode #986 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. lives between worlds - geographically, culturally, and spiritually - and that makes him one of the most attuned chroniclers of what it means to be alive right now. Best known for travel writing that often transcends borders and genres (, , ), Pico is also a deeply reflective thinker about silence, stillness, and solitude. In his latest book, , he returns to a Benedictine monastery in Big Sur - a place he has visited over 100 times - to explore what it means to pause in a world that won’t stop moving. This isn’t a religious retreat or a spiritual how-to. It’s a meditation on fire: what we lose, what remains, and how burning down can be its own kind of beginning. In this conversation, we talk about the power of silence in an always-on culture, why the monastic life holds so much wisdom even for secular people, and how loss (of home, of place, of identity) can be a clarifier rather than just a crisis. There are moments of levity (, a fellow monastery-goer, makes an appearance), but mostly what Pico offers is a quiet urgency: that we’re missing too much while looking at everything. His reflections on mindfulness, technology, climate anxiety, writing, and what it means to find meaning when everything feels untethered will resonate with anyone seeking more presence in a distracted world (also check out his other books: and ). Pico splits his time between Japan and California, writes with grace and generosity for , , and others. If you’re struggling to make sense of modern life, this one offers something deeper than answers - it offers permission to pause. He is one of my mentors and someone I constantly think about. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 1:05:46. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Chapters: (00:00) - The Impact of Wildfires and Personal Loss. (02:55) - Nature's Call: The Urgency of Change. (06:07) - Fire as a Metaphor for Renewal. (08:47) - Mindfulness in a Fast-Paced World. (12:04) - The Essence of Stillness and Silence. (14:57) - The Role of Technology in Connection and Disconnection. (17:58) - Finding Serendipity in Everyday Life. (21:05) - The Monastic Experience: A Journey Within. (23:58) - Exploring the Concept of Cells in Monasteries. (27:00) - The Intersection of Religion and Personal Growth. (35:25) - The Essence of a Holy Day. (36:36) - Life in the Monastery: A Unique Perspective. (39:00) - Leonard Cohen: The Monk and the Artist. (46:45) - Solitude vs. Community: The Monastic Life. (48:50) - The Art of Writing: Silence and Reflection. (55:26) - Facing Silence: The Challenge of Solitude. (57:35) - Creating in Chaos: The Need for Retreat. (01:04:28) - Lessons from Japan: A Different Perspective.
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SPOS #985 – Kathleen deLaski On A Future Where Degrees Won't Matter
05/25/2025
SPOS #985 – Kathleen deLaski On A Future Where Degrees Won't Matter
Welcome to episode #985 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is one of the most important voices rethinking the purpose, structure, and future of higher education. As founder of the and board chair of , she’s spent the last decade helping over 1,200 colleges, organizations, and regional economies reimagine learning pathways for next-generation students - particularly the new majority learners often left behind by traditional institutions. Her new book, is a provocative and optimistic look at how postsecondary education must evolve, drawing on over a decade of field research, human-centered design, and more than 150 interviews with educators, employers, learners, and policymakers. In this conversation, we unpack the diploma divide, the rising cost of education, the friction between what college teaches and what employers expect, and how AI is rewriting the script for entry-level jobs and professional training. Kathleen - whose career spans time as a journalist at , a Pentagon spokesperson, working at in the early days of the Internet, and a philanthropic force behind education reform - brings not just perspective but practical ideas on how colleges, businesses, and society must adapt. This one challenges what we think college is for, and what meaningful learning might look like in a skills-based future. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 51:11. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Rise of Human-Centered Design in Education. (02:45) - Challenges in Higher Education and the Need for Innovation. (06:00) - Cultural Shifts and the Value of College. (08:53) - The Diploma Divide and Its Societal Implications. (11:54) - Affordability and Access to Education. (14:47) - The Disconnect Between Degrees and Job Market. (18:06) - The Importance of Experience Over Degrees. (21:13) - Networking and Its Role in Career Success. (29:38) - The Impact of AI on Job Markets. (32:36) - The Future of Entry-Level Jobs. (36:05) - Reevaluating Professional Education. (41:35) - The Value of Trades in Modern Society. (43:06) - Digital Learning and Its Challenges. (47:17) - Generational Perspectives on Work Ethic.
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SPOS #984 – Steve Pratt On Podcasting And Unconventional Marketing
05/18/2025
SPOS #984 – Steve Pratt On Podcasting And Unconventional Marketing
Welcome to episode #984 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. knows how to earn attention - and not in the algorithm-chasing, trend-hopping way most marketers talk about it. As the co-founder of (the first agency dedicated to branded podcasts), Steve helped pioneer a model for long-form brand storytelling that respected the audience as much as it served the client. Before podcasting was a thing brands took seriously, Steve was guiding companies like , , , , , and into a new kind of media - one built on trust, consistency, and real creative value. That experience forms the foundation of his new book, . In this conversation, he unpacks why so many marketers are stuck in short-term thinking, how performance marketing is cannibalizing brand, and what it really takes to build content worth someone’s time. There’s insight here on the difference between being loud and being relevant, on why the future belongs to brave brands with a point of view, and how AI may flood the market with content - but only humans can still make something remarkable. Steve’s career started in TV production, moved through digital innovation at , and has now landed at the intersection of creativity, business strategy, and media design with his newest venture, . His message is simple: the only brands that win long-term are the ones willing to put in the work, respect the audience, and be consistently great over time. For anyone wrestling with content strategy, podcasting, or how to think like a media company - this one’s a masterclass. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:00:53. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Journey of Podcasting. (02:58) - Consistency vs. Relevance in Content Creation. (06:05) - The Landscape of Media Companies vs. Individual Creators. (08:58) - Audience Development in the Digital Age. (11:49) - The Nature of Podcasts vs. Video Content. (15:09) - The Evolution of Podcasting and Video Strategies. (17:49) - The Role of Sensationalism in Media. (20:52) - Quality vs. Mediocrity in Content Creation. (33:37) - The Challenge of Earning Success. (34:44) - The Longevity of Podcasting and Audience Engagement. (39:01) - Niche Marketing and Brand Media Companies. (42:59) - The Pressure of Performance Marketing. (50:00) - The Role of AI in Content Creation. (01:03:16) - Red Bull: A Case Study in Media Innovation.
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SPOS #983 – Matthew Weinzierl On Space And New Economic Frontiers
05/11/2025
SPOS #983 – Matthew Weinzierl On Space And New Economic Frontiers
Welcome to episode #983 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is not just thinking about the future of the economy - he’s thinking about the economy of the final frontier. As a professor at and a Research Associate at the , Matt brings the analytical rigor of economic policy to a space sector that’s shifting from sci-fi to IPO. In our conversation, we unpack the big thesis behind his new book (co-authored with ), which reframes space as something more than spectacle or science - it’s a place where real economic value is being created right now. This isn’t about day trips to orbit or Mars hotels (not yet). It’s about the role of market forces, national security, broadband access, sustainability, microgravity manufacturing, and the essential debate between centralized control and decentralized innovation. Matt has built a career studying tax policy and the philosophical underpinnings of economic systems, and now he’s applying that lens to a commercial space industry that’s still defining its rules. We talk about ’s dominance and what it means for competition, the outdated frameworks of international space law, and why economists are uniquely suited to help structure the future of space activity. We also explore the symbolic and practical value of human exploration, and how figures like and shape the public’s understanding of what's possible (and what might be hype). What makes Matt so compelling is his clarity... he doesn’t get swept up in the cosmic dreams without asking who benefits, who governs, and what kind of economic system we’re building in orbit and beyond. If you’ve been curious about the real forces shaping the space economy - and what it might mean for Earth - this episode is a must-listen. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 58:47. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Space Economics. (03:05) - The Intersection of Economics and Space. (06:09) - Challenges in the Space Sector. (09:06) - Market Dynamics and Competition in Space. (12:11) - The Role of National Security in Space. (14:48) - The Future of Space Exploration. (18:02) - Arguments For and Against Space Exploration. (29:32) - The Double-Edged Sword of Celebrity in Business. (31:13) - Decentralization: Opportunities and Challenges. (35:26) - Balancing Centralization and Decentralization in Space. (38:32) - The Ethical Implications of Space Exploration. (40:17) - Regulating the New Frontier: Challenges Ahead. (44:54) - The Reality of Mars Missions. (48:53) - Unlocking the Value of Space Resources. (51:37) - The Role of Humans in Space Exploration. (53:46) - Economic Policies and Global Trade Dynamics.
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SPOS #982 – Ethan Kross On Management For Your Emotions
05/04/2025
SPOS #982 – Ethan Kross On Management For Your Emotions
Welcome to episode . is one of the sharpest minds on the planet when it comes to understanding how our emotions shape our thoughts, decisions, and relationships. As a professor of psychology and business at the and the author of the bestselling books and , Ethan brings together rigorous research and practical insight in ways that are deeply human and immediately useful. In our conversation, we explore what it takes to manage emotions in a world that feels like it’s dialed up to 11 - from doomscrolling and overstimulation to the growing cultural obsession with emotional transparency. Ethan challenges some of our most common assumptions about how emotions work (no, avoidance isn’t always bad; yes, anger has a place) and makes the case for building a “diverse emotional toolkit” - strategies that are flexible, personal, and context-specific. We talk about the influence of technology, how AI might fit into the future of mental wellness, and why dosing your news intake might be as important as getting your steps in. For anyone feeling like their emotions are a little closer to the surface these days, Ethan offers not just understanding - but agency. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 48:37. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Understanding Emotional Turbulence. (03:06) - The Toolbox of Emotion Management. (06:00) - The Misconception of Emotions. (09:00) - Collective Emotional Breakdown? (11:51) - The Role of Media in Emotional Perception. (14:45) - The Balance of Technology and Emotion. (18:06) - Navigating Emotional Overstimulation. (27:09) - Dosing the News for Better Wellbeing. (30:40) - Navigating Social Media and Emotional Health. (31:10) - Understanding Emotions and Meta-Emotions. (34:44) - The Shift from Self-Talk to Emotional Regulation. (38:00) - AI's Role in Emotional Management. (43:06) - Balancing Emotion Management and High Performance. (46:38) - Tools for Managing Emotions in Different Situations. (49:53) - The Power of Combining Emotional Tools.
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SPOS #981 – Donald Miller On Building A Story Brand
04/27/2025
SPOS #981 – Donald Miller On Building A Story Brand
Welcome to episode #981 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is one of the most influential voices in modern marketing - a bestselling author, business strategist, and the creative force behind (a framework that has reshaped how leaders and organizations communicate). In our conversation, Donald breaks down the timeless power of story and why clarity - not cleverness - is the most underrated competitive advantage in business today. His new book, , expands on his original seven-part storytelling framework with sharper tools and practical applications for the modern marketer. Donald is also the author of several bestselling books, including the spiritual memoir , the personal development reflection , and (loved that one!), alongside business classics like , , , , which have collectively shaped how individuals and organizations think about story, purpose, and growth. We explore why curiosity is the secret starting point in every great customer journey, how AI is accelerating both efficiency and confusion in marketing, and why simple messages are often the hardest to write. Donald also opens up about the creative process behind writing, how to chase ideas worth finishing, and why businesses fail not from a lack of creativity - but from poor communication. Whether you're leading a brand, launching a product, or refining your personal pitch, this conversation is a masterclass in messaging. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 55:49. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . . . . . . . Follow . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - The Power of Storytelling in Branding. (12:46) - Understanding Consumer Relationships with Brands. (26:02) - The Art and Science of Effective Marketing. (29:00) - The Ineffectiveness of Modern Advertising. (32:42) - The Importance of Clarity in Messaging. (36:46) - The Role of Creativity in Marketing. (41:15) - The Impact of AI on Marketing. (46:24) - The Future of Marketing and Strategy. (49:45) - The Creative Process and Writing Books.
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SPOS #980 – Tamara Myles On Making Work Actually Matter
04/20/2025
SPOS #980 – Tamara Myles On Making Work Actually Matter
Welcome to episode #980 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is one of the world’s leading experts on meaningful work, with a career that bridges research, leadership consulting, and positive psychology. She’s the author of , a sought-after speaker and advisor to companies like and , and one of the first 600 people in the world to earn a master’s in from the . In her new book, (co-authored with ), Tamara brings both scientific rigor and real-world empathy to one of the most pressing challenges of our time: how to make work feel like it matters. In this conversation, Tamara shares the results of her multi-year study - the first of its kind - on how leaders influence meaning in the workplace. She introduces the three core drivers of meaningful work: community, contribution, and challenge, and explains why they’re more relevant than ever in a world grappling with burnout, disconnection, and shifting values around work. We also talk about the lasting impact of the pandemic, the rise of employee apathy, and how social media has warped our collective expectations about fulfillment. Tamara, who teaches at both the University of Pennsylvania and , blends her academic insight with a deeply human perspective - reminding us that meaning is not just a nice-to-have, but a business imperative. Whether you're leading a team or trying to reconnect with your own sense of purpose, this episode offers a much-needed compass. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 58:29. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Positive Psychology and Meaningful Work. (02:58) - The Importance of Meaning in Work. (05:57) - The Misconception of Meaningful Work. (09:03) - The Role of Leaders in Creating Meaning. (11:59) - The Impact of the Pandemic on Work Meaning. (14:58) - Transactional Work vs. Meaningful Work. (18:10) - The Dual Responsibility of Leaders and Employees. (21:04) - Hiring for Meaning in Organizations. (24:13) - Common Sense vs. Common Practice in Work Meaning. (26:59) - Expectations and Realities of Work Today. (31:46) - The Impact of Social Media on Expectations. (34:33) - Generational Perspectives on Meaningful Work. (37:47) - Work-Life Balance and Productivity. (39:08) - The Loneliness Epidemic Post-Covid. (43:39) - Creating Meaningful Work Environments. (46:58) - AI's Role in the Future of Work. (50:15) - Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in the Workplace. (52:28) - Overcoming Apathy in the Workplace.
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SPOS #979 – Kurt Gray On Why Harm Is The Hidden Driver Of Political Outrage
04/13/2025
SPOS #979 – Kurt Gray On Why Harm Is The Hidden Driver Of Political Outrage
Welcome to episode #979 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is a social psychologist whose work couldn’t be more relevant to our times. As a professor at , director of the and the , and the author of the new book , he’s helping reshape how we understand conflict in a divided world. In this conversation, Kurt unpacked why it’s not that we’re wired differently across political lines - it’s that we perceive harm differently. He introduces ideas like the “exhausted majority,” the dangers of elite-driven outrage, and the evolutionary roots of our hypersensitivity to perceived threats. We also explore the surprising role of personal narratives in reducing division, the generational shift in how people approach morality, and how resilience - not avoidance - is what we really need when engaging across differences. His work dismantles the myth that we’re hopelessly divided and instead offers a path forward - one grounded in empathy, humility, and the science of human connection. If you’re feeling overwhelmed by the volume of moral outrage around you, this episode just might restore a little hope. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 55:13. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Follow . Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Outrage and Its Relevance. (03:07) - Understanding Political Outrage and Connection. (05:55) - The Role of Elites in Political Discourse. (09:14) - The Exhausted Majority and Misconceptions. (12:05) - Moral Perception and Human Nature. (15:04) - The Evolution of Morality and Fear. (18:08) - Tribalism and Moral Progress. (21:01) - The Impact of Words and Microaggressions. (24:03) - Generational Perspectives on Discourse. (28:18) - Understanding Generational Perspectives on Misinformation. (30:02) - The Challenge of Political Centrism. (31:58) - Navigating Independent Ideologies. (33:53) - The Impact of Technological Change on Society. (35:40) - The Role of Personal Stories in Bridging Divides. (39:34) - The Power of Personal Experiences in Conversations. (42:19) - The Competing Narratives of Victimhood. (46:51) - Moral Ambiguity in Victimhood and Survival. (49:18) - The Momentum of Change and Hope. (55:27) - Building Resilience in Difficult Conversations.
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SPOS #978 – Christopher DiCarlo On AI, Ethics, And The Hope We Get It Right
04/06/2025
SPOS #978 – Christopher DiCarlo On AI, Ethics, And The Hope We Get It Right
Welcome to episode #978 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is a philosopher, educator, author, and ethicist whose work lives at the intersection of human values, science, and emerging technology. Over the years, Christopher has built a reputation as a Socratic nonconformist, equally at home lecturing at during his postdoctoral years as he is teaching critical thinking in correctional institutions or corporate boardrooms. He’s the author of several important books on logic and rational discourse, including and , as well as the host of the podcast, . In this conversation, we dig into his latest book, , which takes a sobering yet practical look at the ethical governance of AI as we accelerate toward the possibility of artificial general intelligence. Drawing on years of study in philosophy of science and ethics, Christopher lays out the risks - manipulation, misalignment, lack of transparency - and the urgent need for international cooperation to set safeguards now. We talk about everything from the potential of AI to revolutionize healthcare and sustainability to the darker realities of deepfakes, algorithmic control, and the erosion of democratic processes. His proposal? A kind of AI “,” or something akin to the - but for algorithms. In a world rushing toward techno-utopianism, Christopher is a clear-eyed voice asking: “What kind of Gods are we building… and can we still choose their values?” If you’re thinking about the intersection of ethics and AI (and we should all be focused on this!), this is essential listening. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 58:55. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . . Follow . Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to AI Ethics and Philosophy. (03:14) - The Interconnectedness of Systems. (05:56) - The Race for AGI and Its Implications. (09:04) - Risks of Advanced AI: Misuse and Misalignment. (11:54) - The Need for Ethical Guidelines in AI Development. (15:05) - Global Cooperation and the AI Arms Race. (18:03) - Values and Ethics in AI Alignment. (20:51) - The Role of Government in AI Regulation. (24:14) - The Future of AI: Hope and Concerns. (31:02) - The Dichotomy of Regulation and Innovation. (34:57) - The Drive Behind AI Pioneers. (37:12) - Skepticism and the Tech Bubble Debate. (39:39) - The Potential of AI and Its Risks. (43:20) - Techno-Selection and Control Over AI. (48:53) - The Future of Medicine and AI's Role. (51:42) - Empowering the Public in AI Governance. (54:37) - Building a God: Ethical Considerations in AI.
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SPOS #977 – Dan Heath On How To Change What's Not Working
03/30/2025
SPOS #977 – Dan Heath On How To Change What's Not Working
Welcome to episode #977 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is a frequent and always welcome guest on this show, and with good reason - few people have done more to translate complex human behavior and organizational dynamics into smart, actionable insights. You probably know Dan as the co-author (with his brother ) of some of the most beloved and bestselling business books of the past two decades, including , , , and . His work has reshaped the way leaders think about communication, decision-making, change, and the emotional beats that define experience. With his latest solo book, , Dan continues this tradition - offering a practical framework for identifying leverage points that can unlock real transformation, even in systems that feel stuck or bloated by inertia. In this conversation, we dug into why momentum beats speed, how progress (not perfection) is the most powerful motivator in the workplace, and why so many leaders miss the mark by focusing on customer experience while overlooking the employee experience. We also talk about the role of self-doubt, the necessity of feedback, and how the Great Resignation isn’t just about quitting - it’s about a systemic failure to reimagine work. Dan’s signature mix of rigorous research, compelling storytelling, and approachable wisdom is on full display here. You should also check out his podcast, . If you’ve ever wondered why change efforts stall - or how to get unstuck with the same people and resources - this one’s for you. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 56:48. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . . Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Reset and Its Themes. (02:54) - Understanding Inefficiencies in Organizations. (05:58) - The Role of Technology in Problem Solving. (09:01) - Team Dynamics and Collaborative Change. (12:08) - Leverage Points for Effective Change. (15:10) - Motivation and Employee Engagement. (17:56) - Cultural Differences in Organizational Success. (21:03) - The Shift from Customer to Employee Experience. (32:06) - The Great Resignation and Management Challenges. (34:02) - Management by Walking Around: A Timeless Approach. (36:19) - Inertia and the Challenge of Change. (38:34) - Momentum vs. Speed: The Key to Progress. (40:08) - The Progress Principle: Motivation Through Meaningful Work. (41:56) - The Reality of Modern Work. (43:53) - Defining Waste: A New Perspective on Efficiency. (45:53) - The Role of Government in Efficiency and Change. (52:40) - Self-Doubt and Openness to Feedback.
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SPOS #976 – Jennifer Moss On Creating Work Everyone Wants
03/23/2025
SPOS #976 – Jennifer Moss On Creating Work Everyone Wants
Welcome to episode #976 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. has been a guiding voice in the evolving conversation around workplace culture, burnout, and what it truly means to find purpose in our work. Her latest book, , takes a deep dive into how work has changed - sometimes for the better, often for the worse - and what leaders can do to fix it. Jennifer is also the author of and . In this conversation, Jennifer and I explore the shifting motivations of employees post-pandemic, the growing tension around remote and hybrid work, and why so many people are feeling disengaged in their careers. She shares insights from her extensive research, highlighting the erosion of trust between employers and employees, the disconnect between ideal career expectations and workplace reality, and the impact of AI on job security. We also discuss why organizations need to rethink productivity metrics, prioritize autonomy, and create spaces for in-person connection, even in remote work environments. Jennifer doesn’t just diagnose the problems - she offers real solutions, drawing on examples of companies that are getting it right. As the workplace continues to evolve, her research and advice couldn’t be more timely. If you’re wondering how to build (or rebuild) a work culture that people actually want to be a part of, this is for you. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:05:21. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . Follow . Follow . Follow Jennifer on Instagram. This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Exploring Purpose: Why Are We Here? (02:52) - The Intersection of Work and Life. (05:56) - The Changing Landscape of Work. (09:06) - Generational Perspectives on Work. (12:04) - The Role of Technology in Work Dynamics. (15:08) - The Multiverse of Work: A New Paradigm. (17:58) - Trust and Expectations in the Workplace. (21:02) - The Evolution of Work Culture. (23:51) - Productivity and the Future of Work. (32:31) - Empowering Autonomy in the Workforce. (33:34) - The Importance of In-Person Connection. (35:02) - Rethinking Meetings and Communication. (36:55) - Navigating the Multiverse of Work. (39:40) - The Shifting Power Dynamics in the Labor Market. (43:24) - The Challenge of Meaningful Work. (46:21) - The Disconnect Between Ideal and Reality in Careers. (49:55) - Addressing Chronic Stress in the Workforce. (51:40) - The Impact of Disengagement on Business. (54:54) - Finding Light in the Current Work Landscape.
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SPOS #975 – Nicholas Carr On The Human Consequences Of Connection And Technology
03/16/2025
SPOS #975 – Nicholas Carr On The Human Consequences Of Connection And Technology
Welcome to episode #975 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. has long been one of the most important voices questioning how technology is shaping our minds, our communication, and our culture (and a personal favorite). His latest book, , builds on the themes he’s explored in and , offering a critical look at how our obsession with constant connectivity may be eroding human relationships rather than strengthening them. In this conversation, Nick challenges the assumption that more communication automatically leads to greater understanding, explaining how friction in conversation is necessary for thoughtful interactions. We discussed the rise of dissimilarity cascades - how exposure to differing viewpoints can sometimes increase polarization rather than bridge divides - and why the utopian vision of digital communication often clashes with human nature. Nick also highlights the psychological toll of constant connectivity, particularly among younger generations, and the unintended consequences of social media’s influence on work, leisure, and personal identity. As AI continues to reshape communication, he raises important questions about authenticity, the risk of society becoming skeptical of everything, and the broader shift toward efficiency at the cost of deeper human values. His perspective is always thought-provoking, and this conversation is no exception. If you want to rethink how you engage with technology in your daily life, this episode is a must-listen. You should also check out his excellent Substack newsletter, . Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:01:14. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . . . . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Nicholas Carr and His Work. (03:13) - Thematic Connections in Carr's Books. (06:10) - The Misconception of Communication Technology. (08:46) - Human Nature vs. Technology: A Conflict. (11:54) - The Impact of Online Communication on Empathy. (14:47) - The Dangers of Digital Disconnection. (17:59) - Parental Influence on Children's Technology Use. (20:47) - The Social Dynamics of Smartphone Usage. (24:09) - The Rise of Anxiety and Loneliness in Youth. (27:07) - The Concept of Influencers and Work in the Digital Age. (34:24) - The Misconception of Leisure vs. Work. (35:34) - Rethinking Our Relationship with Technology. (39:03) - The Dangers of Blind Adaptation. (42:00) - AI: A Revolutionary Shift in Communication. (47:30) - The Impact of AI on Human Expression. (56:09) - The Original Sin of Efficiency Over Humanity.
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SPOS #974 – Rishad Tobaccowala On Rethinking Work
03/09/2025
SPOS #974 – Rishad Tobaccowala On Rethinking Work
Welcome to episode #974 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is one of those rare thinkers who can seamlessly connect the dots between business, technology, media, and human behavior - so it’s always a pleasure to have him back on the show. A true industry veteran, Rishad has spent decades shaping the marketing and media landscape, from his time as Global Chief Strategist and Growth Officer at to becoming a sought-after author, advisor, and speaker. His latest book, , dives deep into the fundamental shifts happening in the workforce, from the decline of the 9-to-5 model to the rise of hybrid work, decentralized careers, and leadership that prioritizes talent over corporate loyalty. Rishad’s first book is and his newsletter, , and podcast, , are not to be missed. In our conversation, we explore the evolving role of leadership, the impact of AI on employment, and how brands must rethink trust in an era where consumers are more aligned with individuals than institutions. Rishad also shares his insights on how businesses can remain relevant by embracing change rather than resisting it, and why the future of work will require companies to shift from management-driven structures to ones that emphasize agility, learning, and human connection. Thoughtful, provocative, and always ahead of the curve, Rishad brings the kind of clarity we need as we navigate a world of constant disruption. If you want to stay relevant in a fast-changing business landscape, this episode is one you won’t want to miss. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:08:19. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with on ThinkersOne. Follow . Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Rishad. (03:08) - The Political Landscape of Tech and Media. (06:06) - The Power Dynamics of Big Tech. (09:03) - The Influence of Money in Politics. (11:55) - The Shift in Consumer Trust. (15:08) - The Erosion of Brand Trust. (17:52) - The Changing Nature of Work. (20:53) - The Crisis of Leadership in Business. (35:15) - The Entrepreneurial Vision and Workforce Dynamics. (36:25) - Leadership vs. Management: The New Paradigm. (37:45) - Diversity in the Workplace: Ageism and Work Styles. (38:44) - The Irrelevance of Traditional Business Models. (39:57) - The Importance of In-Person Interaction. (41:40) - The Future of Work: Hybrid and Remote Models. (43:34) - AI's Impact on Employment and Business Structure. (46:32) - The Transformation of Knowledge Work. (49:50) - Reimagining Business Strategies in the Age of AI. (52:33) - The Financial Play: Mergers and Market Relevance. (56:18) - Aligning Talent and Corporate Goals. (01:01:48) - The Future of Work: Companies as Talent Aggregators.
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SPOS #973 – Alison Wood Brooks On The Science Of Great Conversations
03/02/2025
SPOS #973 – Alison Wood Brooks On The Science Of Great Conversations
Welcome to episode #973 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is one of the leading voices in understanding the science of human conversation, and her latest book, , explores just how complex, delicate, and transformative our daily interactions can be. As a professor at , Alison has spent years studying the psychology behind dialogue - why some conversations feel effortless while others fall flat, how we navigate social dynamics, and why even the simplest exchanges can shape our relationships and success. In our conversation, we explore the difference between Q&A and true dialogue, the often-overlooked art of reading the room, and the skills that can make or break an interaction. Alison shares insights on the role of AI in companionship, the way egocentrism naturally seeps into our conversations, and why teaching conversational skills is more critical than ever in a digital-first world. We also discuss the post-Covid social shift, the importance of face-to-face interactions, and how conversational missteps - something we all experience - can actually strengthen relationships if handled the right way. Her TALK Maxims (Topics, Asking, Levity, Kindness) offer a simple yet powerful framework for improving everyday communication, whether in personal relationships, business, or even in navigating difficult discussions. If you’ve ever struggled with what to say, when to say it, or how to be a better conversationalist, this episode will help you rethink the way you talk... and listen. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:06:51. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with Check out her band: Follow . Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Conversation Science. (02:49) - The Dynamics of Q&A vs. Conversation. (05:58) - The Art of Eavesdropping and Voyeurism in Conversations. (08:53) - Emerging Science of Conversation. (11:59) - AI and Human Conversations. (15:06) - The Role of AI in Companionship. (18:01) - Egocentrism in Conversations. (20:46) - Alpha and Beta Dynamics in Conversations. (23:51) - Teaching Conversation Skills. (27:07) - Conversational Toggling in a Digital Age. (32:00) - The Fleeting Nature of In-Person Connections. (35:06) - The Impact of AI on Human Interaction. (38:58) - Navigating Post-Covid Social Dynamics. (43:03) - The Importance of Reading the Room. (48:03) - Breaking the Pace in Conversations. (52:01) - The Value of Topic Preparation. (57:02) - Foot-in-Mouth Moments and Repair Strategies.
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SPOS #972 – Tom Chatfield On How Tech Has Made Us What We Are
02/23/2025
SPOS #972 – Tom Chatfield On How Tech Has Made Us What We Are
Welcome to episode #972 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is one of those rare thinkers who seamlessly blends philosophy, technology, and human experience, making sense of the rapidly evolving digital landscape. As an author, tech philosopher, and educator, his work - including his latest book, - explores how humans and technology have co-evolved over thousands of years, shaping not only how we work and communicate but how we think and perceive the world. Tom is also the author of , , and . In this conversation, Tom challenges the conventional narrative that technology is either a savior or a threat, arguing instead that it is deeply intertwined with who we are as a species. We explore the biases embedded in our digital tools, the generational shifts in how technology is understood, and the ethical dilemmas posed by AI’s increasing influence on work, productivity, and decision-making. Tom also shared why soft skills - like empathy, collaboration, and critical thinking - are becoming more valuable than ever in an age where AI can replicate knowledge-based tasks but struggles with human connection. He reflected on the growing skepticism toward experts, the rising noise in legal and regulatory environments, and the fundamental need for doubt and self-awareness in how we design and interact with intelligent systems. Thought-provoking, insightful, and refreshingly nuanced, this conversation is for anyone who wants to engage with technology more thoughtfully, rather than passively accepting or fearing it. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:06:50. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with Follow T. Follow . Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Technology Philosophy. (02:58) - The Role of Technology in Human Experience. (06:10) - Generational Perspectives on Technology. (08:54) - The Impact of AI on Work and Productivity. (11:57) - The Evolution of Human Interaction with AI. (15:05) - The Future of Work in an AI-Driven World. (17:48) - The Ethics of AI and Human Value. (20:49) - Navigating the Divide in Access to Technology. (23:49) - The Devaluation of Knowledge Work. (30:51) - The Impact of AI on Knowledge Work. (35:40) - The Value of Human Connection in a Tech-Driven World. (41:45) - Rethinking Professional Education and Skills. (48:08) - Philosophical Perspectives on AI and Technology. (57:28) - Co-evolution with Technology and the Future of Knowledge.
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SPOS #971 – Deborah Perry Piscione On Revolutionizing The Way We Work
02/16/2025
SPOS #971 – Deborah Perry Piscione On Revolutionizing The Way We Work
Welcome to episode #971 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is no stranger to transformation. As the co-founder and CEO of the , a thought leader in AI and Web3, and an author, she has spent her career helping organizations navigate the future of business. In our conversation, we explore the bold premise of her latest book, (with co-author, ), which challenges traditional employment models and highlights how AI, automation, and decentralized work are reshaping careers. Deborah, who previously dissected the innovation culture of Silicon Valley in her book, , explains how the workplace power dynamic is shifting, with employees demanding flexibility, purpose, and autonomy. We discuss the evolving gig economy, the rise of portfolio careers, and how younger generations are rejecting outdated corporate structures in favor of more meaningful work. She also shares her insights on the metaverse’s slow but steady evolution, the disruptive potential of cryptocurrency, and the challenges of building engagement in a workforce that increasingly prioritizes social currency over traditional career paths. With businesses on the cusp of a seismic shift, Deborah offers a compelling argument for rethinking work - not as a fixed structure, but as an adaptable, technology-driven ecosystem. If you’ve ever wondered what the future of work really looks like, this episode is one you won’t want to miss. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:01:24. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - The Future of Work and Decentralized Careers. (03:04) - Shifting Power Dynamics in the Workplace. (05:54) - The Gig Economy: Opportunities and Challenges. (08:56) - Generational Shifts and the Role of Technology. (11:51) - The Impact of Automation and AI on Employment. (14:48) - The Metaverse: Current State and Future Potential. (32:16) - Exploring the Metaverse and Its Applications. (33:45) - Engagement in the Workplace: A Crisis of Meaning. (34:55) - Work-Life Fusion: Rethinking Success. (37:41) - Navigating Career Paths and Expectations. (40:36) - Community as Currency: Shifting Values in Work. (43:45) - The Promise and Perils of Cryptocurrency. (46:52) - Checks and Balances in Technology and Society. (51:48) - The Future of Work: DAOs and Education Reform.
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SPOS #970 – Rohit Bhargava On Non-Obvious Thinking
02/09/2025
SPOS #970 – Rohit Bhargava On Non-Obvious Thinking
Welcome to episode #970 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. isn’t just a brilliant thinker, entrepreneur and bestselling author - he’s also a close friend who has been a regular guest on this podcast for over fifteen years. Every time we talk, he brings fresh, non-obvious insights that challenge how we see the world. His latest book, , continues this tradition, offering a four-step framework to help people become more observant, uncover insights, and think in a way that stands out. In this conversation, we explore how this mindset applies not just to creativity but also to the ever-changing landscape of publishing and business books. As the founder of , Rohit has redefined what it means to be an author, building a hybrid publishing model that gives writers more control, better royalties, and an alternative to traditional publishing. We talked about the increasing volume of business books, the challenge of maintaining quality, and how shorter, more engaging formats are shaping the future of reading. Rohit also shared his perspective on book marketing in a saturated world, the role of curation in cutting through noise, and the importance of managing attention in an age of constant distraction. Beyond publishing, we dove into the broader theme of Non-Obvious Thinking - why we need to be open-minded, embrace different perspectives, and push back against the confirmation bias that dominates so much of modern discourse. It’s always a pleasure catching up with Rohit, and this podcast is no exception. If you’re looking for smarter ways to navigate business, creativity, and the way you absorb information, this one’s for you. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:02:23. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with . Follow . Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - The Evolution of Idea Press and Independent Publishing. (03:03) - The Hybrid Publishing Model Explained. (05:57) - The Changing Landscape of Business Books. (09:02) - Quality vs. Quantity in Business Literature. (12:02) - The Role of Authors and Writing Quality. (15:03) - Trends in Book Formats and Reader Engagement. (18:02) - The Audiobook Dilemma. (20:52) - Emerging Themes in Business Literature. (23:59) - The Future of Book Marketing and Reader Engagement. (32:17) - Innovative Book Marketing Strategies. (35:03) - The Art of Curation in Content Creation. (38:56) - Non-Obvious Thinking: Becoming Your Best Self. (45:10) - The Science of Attention and Distraction. (49:29) - Capturing and Absorbing Information Effectively. (51:27) - Navigating Confirmation Bias. (54:50) - Expanding Horizons in a Divisive World.
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SPOS #969 – Michael Horn On Making Progress In Your Career
02/02/2025
SPOS #969 – Michael Horn On Making Progress In Your Career
Welcome to episode #969 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is one of those rare people who seamlessly bridges the worlds of education, innovation, and career development. As the co-founder of the and a teacher at the , Michael has dedicated his career to reimagining how we learn and work. He’s the author of several transformative books, including , , and his latest, . In this conversation, Michael shares his thoughtful approach to helping individuals and organizations adapt to a world where education and careers are anything but linear. We discussed how his latest book applies the “Jobs to Be Done” theory to career moves, offering a framework that helps people align their work with their lives in a more meaningful way. Michael’s passion for unlocking potential shines through as we explore the challenges minimum wage workers face, the evolving role of AI in the workplace, and the need for more experiential learning in education. He also reflects on the legacy of his mentor, , and how his ideas continue to shape modern business and learning. What struck me most was Michael’s grounded optimism - he’s not just thinking about the future of work... he’s actively working to make it more accessible, human, and fulfilling. If you’re grappling with a career change, wondering how education needs to evolve, or just curious about how to thrive in an unpredictable world, this episode is full of insight and inspiration. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:03:06. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with Follow . Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Navigating Career Choices in a Fluid Landscape. (02:58) - The Evolution of Education and Work. (06:06) - Understanding Learning Differences and Accommodations. (08:51) - The Impact of Traditional Education on Career Paths. (12:10) - The Value of Trades and Alternative Pathways. (14:50) - Rethinking Professional Training in Healthcare. (17:58) - The Role of Entrepreneurship in Modern Careers. (21:09) - The Importance of Self-Discovery in Career Development. (23:55) - Job Mobility and Employee Engagement. (26:54) - The Challenges of Individual Needs in the Workplace. (31:39) - Navigating Individual Needs in Organizations. (35:40) - The Challenges of Minimum Wage and Job Mobility. (41:49) - The Impact of AI on Job Markets. (51:03) - Lessons from Clayton Christensen.
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SPOS #968 – Mehak Gandhi On The Science Of Growth And Lasting Customer Relationships
01/26/2025
SPOS #968 – Mehak Gandhi On The Science Of Growth And Lasting Customer Relationships
Welcome to episode #968 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. , co-author of (along with ), is the Head of Research at in Switzerland, where she designs and implements B2B growth accelerator programs and next-generation sales strategies. With extensive experience conducting research and training for global giants like , , , and , Mehak has developed a reputation for merging data-driven insights with actionable strategies that drive sustainable growth. In our conversation, Mehak outlined the transformative potential of the Triple Fit Strategy, a framework designed to move beyond transactional buyer-seller dynamics toward deep, collaborative partnerships that create exponential value (which includes over 10,000 case studies). Drawing on decades of research and her work with companies like , , and , Mehak emphasizes the importance of aligning planning, execution, and resources to foster mutual growth. She shared powerful insights into how businesses can operationalize collaboration, simplify complex relationships, and engage customers early to drive innovation and new revenue streams. We also explored the critical balance between human decision-making and AI in optimizing these strategies, alongside the legal and operational challenges of fostering trust and data sharing in supplier-customer partnerships. Mehak’s passion for helping businesses adopt a 360° customer-centric approach is evident as she shares examples of companies unlocking millions of dollars in opportunities through collaboration. If you’ve ever wondered how to future-proof your sales processes while building lasting partnerships, this episode is a must-listen. Enjoy the conversation! Running time: 59:35. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Mehak Gandhi and Triple Fit Strategy. (02:50) - The Importance of Customer Centricity. (06:01) - Aligning Business Strategies for Mutual Growth. (08:57) - Navigating Supplier-Customer Relationships. (12:13) - Sustainability and Long-Term Partnerships. (15:06) - The Role of Collaboration in Business. (17:48) - Innovating Through Customer Engagement. (20:52) - Operationalizing the Triple Fit Strategy. (23:53) - The Complexity of Legal and Data Sharing. (27:01) - The Future of Business Relationships. (30:09) - The Role of Human Decision-Making in AI. (32:27) - Visionaries and Market Disruption. (35:20) - Building Relationships in Business. (37:49) - Navigating Procurement Challenges. (40:26) - Transitioning from Transactional to Collaborative Relationships. (42:04) - The Service vs. Product Paradigm. (45:13) - Unlocking Value through Service Innovation. (46:47) - Sustaining Partnerships Over Time. (48:29) - Managing Change in Business Relationships. (52:31) - Growth in an Uncertain Economy.
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SPOS #967 – Roland Allen On Notebooks And Thinking
01/19/2025
SPOS #967 – Roland Allen On Notebooks And Thinking
Welcome to . is a publisher and author based in the UK, with a background in book and notebook publishing. He studied at and has written on diverse subjects, including bicycles and bread. Roland has maintained a personal diary for decades and has a particular fondness for stationery. In this conversation, we delved into his latest book, which explores the profound impact of notebooks on creativity and thought processes throughout history (and, wow, I do love notebooks and I loved this book!). Roland shares his insights into how the tactile act of writing engages our senses uniquely, fostering clarity and connection in an increasingly digital world. We discuss the psychological benefits of journaling, the resurgence of interest in handwriting, and how notebooks continue to inspire productivity and joy. His reflections on the utilitarian origins of notebooks and the personal relationships individuals have with their stationery offers a fresh perspective on the value of putting pen to paper. If you've ever appreciated the feel of a fresh notebook or the act of writing by hand (or if you can’t walk by a stationary store and not go in... like me), this episode provides a deeper understanding of an often-overlooked tool that has shaped human thought for centuries, and may hold the answer to how you can improve your skills and knowledge in 2025. Enjoy the conversation! Running time: 1:06:50. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with Follow . This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - The Invisible World of Notebooks. (02:46) - The Ritual of Writing. (06:10) - Digital vs. Analog: The Writing Experience. (09:01) - The Evolution of Notebooks. (11:49) - Cultural Perspectives on Writing. (15:07) - The History and Purpose of Notebooks. (18:12) - The Future of Handwriting. (21:04) - The Impact of Technology on Writing. (24:08) - The Art of Note-Taking. (27:08) - The Journey of Writing a Book. (37:25) - The Purpose of Notebooks: Thinking vs. Writing. (39:00) - Exploring the World of Stationery. (40:20) - Notebook Preferences: A Personal Journey. (44:40) - The Craft of Writing: Learning from Masters. (46:19) - The Value of Libraries and Reading. (48:27) - The Intrigue of Personal Notebooks. (52:07) - The Superpower of Reading and Note-Taking. (56:44) - Trends in Notebooks and Stationery.
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SPOS #966 – Christine Rosen On The Extinction Of Experience
01/12/2025
SPOS #966 – Christine Rosen On The Extinction Of Experience
Welcome to episode #966 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. is a thinker whose work boldly interrogates the intersections of history, technology, and culture, and she’s someone I’ve long admired for her incisive intellect. Christine’s new book, , invites us to reflect on what we lose when technology mediates so much of our lives. In this conversation, we unpacked the book’s provocative thesis: that the human experiences most fundamental to our identity - face-to-face connection, serendipity, patience, and risk - are at risk of atrophy in an increasingly virtual world. Christine, whose earlier works include , , , and , takes a nuanced, critical stance on technology. She acknowledges its benefits but urges caution about its unintended consequences. Together, we explore the blurred boundaries between virtual and real, the societal implications of a two-tier care system, and the surprising resurgence of physical community spaces like libraries and malls post-pandemic. Christine’s historical perspective, informed by her background as a fellow at the and her experience as a columnist for , lends depth to her argument that we must actively choose to reclaim experiences that ground us in the physical world. She shared insights on how tools like AI might aid healthcare but warned of the risks when they replace human judgment in areas like justice or personal relationships. Her reflections on community, loneliness, and the enduring importance of “third spaces” remind us that connection is essential to our humanity. If you’ve ever wondered how to balance the convenience of technology with the richness of lived experience, this conversation is a must-listen. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:06:40. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at . Listen and subscribe over at . Please visit and leave comments on the blog - . Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: . Check out . or you can connect on . ...or on . Here is my conversation with This week's music: 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Christine Rosen and Her Work. (02:57) - Defining Humanity in a Technological Age. (06:06) - The Ambivalence of Technology: Optimism vs. Skepticism. (09:09) - The Role of Critical Questions in Technology Development. (11:58) - Balancing Innovation and Regulation in AI. (15:00) - AI in Healthcare vs. AI in Defense. (18:07) - The Impact of Technology on Human Connection. (20:56) - The Deterioration of Local Communities. (24:05) - The Consequences of Living in Public. (26:53) - Navigating Online Dating in a Digital World. (30:02) - The Importance of In-Person Connections. (39:00) - The Role of Technology in Human Connection. (42:29) - Navigating Confirmation Bias. (45:50) - Collective Action and Community Solutions. (49:12) - The Challenge of Parenting in a Digital Age. (51:06) - The Evolution of Writing and Communication. (55:02) - Reading Trends Among Youth. (01:00:59) - Physical Challenges and Personal Growth.
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