Two Reds are Better than One
Two of the dental industry's top leading coaches, speakers, trainers and consultants, talking about business and life with Chris Barrow and Ashley Latter.
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S07 E11: You can do it! with Anushika Brogan
10/21/2024
S07 E11: You can do it! with Anushika Brogan
Anushika Brogan is the owner of Damira Dental Group. After graduating from Kings, Anushika was destined to be an entrepreneur. She quickly purchased her first dental practice in 2003, and Damira was born. Since then, she has expanded the group to 42 locations throughout the UK, including brand new practices specialising in facial aesthetics. She is also the only female CEO of a dental corporate in the UK. You might think that managing a thriving Dental group would keep her busy, especially since she operates without a COO or CFO. However, Anushika still finds time to do a full day of dentistry every week. In this podcast, she shares why she prioritises this and why it's so important to her. In this episode of "Two Reds are Better than One," you will discover: How Anushika achieves fantastic balance in her life and the role discipline plays in it How she maintains a strict fitness regime that will inspire you—hint: she wakes up at 4:30 am every weekday The lessons she learned from a messy divorce and a four-year battle in the High Court to save her business Why being hands-on in the business and knowing what's going on is crucial Her steely attitude and her life philosophy, "If you can do it, so can I" Her tips on recruitment and how she manages associates
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S07 E10: From Chickens to Implants, with a business and a family along the way - a conversation with Katie Blake
09/17/2024
S07 E10: From Chickens to Implants, with a business and a family along the way - a conversation with Katie Blake
Dr. Katie Blake is co-founder with her husband Alex of Blake Dental, in the small market town of Witham, Essex, mid-way between Chelmsford and Colchester. Katie has a special interest in dental implants, not only delivering to their own patients but working in other practices, lecturing, training and mentoring. Alex is a former maths teacher, who has become the Business Manager. They have also created a strong senior management team within the practice, through internal development and promotion. In this entertaining conversation, Katie shares with us stories of her childhood, living with entrepreneurial parents, forming her own proto-business as a child (hence the title - you’ll realise), and then volunteering for work experience at a family friend’s nearby dental practice after he suggested to her parents that a career in dentistry would be a good choice. We follow Katie to University, into hospital to become a maxillofacial first-responder to trauma injuries and then into Ownership. She will share the experience of buying their practice, whilst she was heavily pregnant and just before Covid lockdown - yikes - and how they survived and have prospered. You will love this conversation - a no-frills approach to life and a genuinely happy Dental Business Owner and clinician. A lovely couple who prove that the good guys can win!
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S07 E09: Meet The Super Human Orthodontist from Dublin
09/02/2024
S07 E09: Meet The Super Human Orthodontist from Dublin
Imagine opening a Practice with no social media, prohibited from advertising, not allowed to have a website, plus you are timing this at the start of one of the worst recessions the country has ever known. These were the circumstances faced by Dr. Kieran Daly when he opened his squat Practice in North Dublin during 2007. Fast forward today, 17 years after opening the doors, his Practice employs over 50 people and has expanded to a multi disciplinary Practice, treating patients with Implants, Orthodontics, Perio, Endo, and Restorative dental treatments, taking referrals from dentists all over Ireland. His journey is nothing short of remarkable. Kieran never stands still, he is constantly developing himself both personally, and technically, he is the only Irish Orthodontist that is certified by the European Board of Orthodontics & The Angle Society of Europe. He is a leader in his field. In this podcast you will learn; When Kieran opened his Practice, he was not allowed to have a website or allowed to advertise, what he did to grow his Practice to a World Class Multi-Disciplinary Practice The importance of using different types of marketing to grow your Practice and not relying on one source How he has put a Management Structure into his Practice, which allows him to spend 40 hours a week treating patients and work ON his business every Friday How delegation really is a game changer and essential to growing your Practice How he continues growing his Practice and how he has created a super motivated team How he still manages to get to the gym every day and enjoys 5 weeks holiday AND MUCH MORE
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S07 E08: Keep Growing and Keep Learning - Part Two with Manrina Rhode
08/14/2024
S07 E08: Keep Growing and Keep Learning - Part Two with Manrina Rhode
Our second conversation with Dr. Marina Rhode, Founder of DRMR In our first conversation with Manrina we explored the influences from her early life that formed her philosophy and then travelled with her through 18-years as a London-based "career associate", working with some of the top names in the capital. We now explore the vision for and creation of her own clinic and brand - DRMR: How she used pen and paper to jot down ideas during her associate years and developed a vision of the practice that she wanted to own; The search for premises that would “fit the bill” and how she responded when told that her dream premises wouldn’t be suitable; The 18-month build project and why her attention to detail and obsession with perfection became a reality - a clinic of great beauty; The biggest challenge of the first two years - building a team. In the final part of our conversation, we discuss , launching on 1st September 2024 and the difference Manrina intends to make when she “pays it forward” to other dentists who need a fresh impetus in their career. Manrina is a breath of fresh air in the UK dental landscape and you will emerge from our conversation with a smile on your face and hope in the future. Listen to the podcast now via your favourite podcast streaming service or the player below.
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S07 E07: An inside look at DenTTrack dental business management software
06/24/2024
S07 E07: An inside look at DenTTrack dental business management software
In this episode, we interview Manish Chitnis to discuss his dental practice management software, DenTTrack, a task management software that provides clarity on who does what in a dental practice, including training for each task. Manish explains the importance of internal marketing and utilising the patient database to drive new patients amidst current market conditions. There are two main survivor groups in dentistry: high-end practices focused on excellent patient experiences, and high-volume, low-cost providers. DenTTrack Software Task Management: Provides checklists of tasks for each role, ensuring the team knows exactly what to do. Training Included: Offers training on how to complete each task. Growth and Legacy: Aimed at practices wanting to grow and create a legacy business. Contact: Reach out to Manish directly to explore if DenTTrack is suitable for your practice. Current Market Conditions New Patient Numbers: Experiencing a dip in new patient numbers and demand for high-end treatments. Internal Marketing: Focusing on internal marketing to the existing patient database. Direct Mail Campaigns: Emphasising the importance of direct mail campaigns and building one-on-one connections. Future Outlook Rising Costs: Costs are rising by 30% across staffing, materials, and labs. Survivor Groups: Two main groups are expected to survive - high-end practices focused on a great patient experience, and high-volume, low-cost providers. Challenges for Middle Group: Practices in the middle may struggle with rising costs and staffing issues. Tune in to hear more insights from Manish Chitnis on how to navigate the current dental market and leverage technology for practice management.
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S07 E06: 100% Pure Energy
05/02/2024
S07 E06: 100% Pure Energy
If you want to be inspired by the potential of a career in dentistry, no matter what your age or background, listen to the journey of one of the UK’s most interesting dental practice owners. As a child, Manrina Rhode wanted to become an actress, but an enlightened Headmistress saw the opportunity of combining art and science and encouraged her to study dentistry. The UK dental community (and her patients) can be glad that she did. Right at the start of her career, she secured a position with Dr. Surinder Hundle at Lund Osler, one of whose clinics was based in Harvey Nicholls, London - innovative in its time. Surinder, famous as an original participant in the TV show "10 Years Younger" opened up opportunities that you can only dream of (learn how Manrina beat her competition to get this job). After several years at Lund Osler, she worked for Tim Bradstock-Smith - The London Smile Clinic. Along the way, she ran a Music Label in Atlanta, that is another story you need to hear. In the last 2 years, she has finally opened - and you’ll hear why Chris was speechless with admiration when he first visited. In this episode you will discover; What it takes to become a true success in dentistry The importance of finding your passion in dentistry and to do what you love to do The big lesson she learnt from her father. If you have children, the most important message you can give them, so that they are a success in their lives The importance of finding mentors and networking with the very best If you are running an Instagram page you need to do this ONE THING to make it work for you AND SO MUCH MORE.
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S07 E05: The Curious Dentist
04/23/2024
S07 E05: The Curious Dentist
It’s a delight this month to listen to the founder of a Champions League dental practice in the beautiful Lake District - Neil Cooper has been a friend and a client of both of us for many years. Here, we delve into Neil’s childhood fascination with how things work and an early dedication to a career in dentistry, based on his experiences as a child patient. Following Neil to school, university, early days as a VT and associate, we then discover what happened when he caught the Ownership bug and used a unique approach to become co-purchaser of an antiquated practice on Kendal High Street. It’s now a 7-surgery clinic with a brilliant team, providing the highest complexity of dentistry. Throughout his career, Neil has always responded to the phrase “that will never work here”, with a determination to prove the critics wrong. As you listen, you will also hear about Bex Cooper and the contribution she has made to the development of the business since the pandemic. It’s a fantastic story about a fantastic practice created by lovely people - you will be inspired.
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S07 E04: Top Tips for starting, growing and selling your dental business - and the role of bespoke CRM software in the modern dental practice
03/26/2024
S07 E04: Top Tips for starting, growing and selling your dental business - and the role of bespoke CRM software in the modern dental practice
An interview with Dengro CEO - Neil Stephen Listeners - if you think this month’s podcast is an advert for Dengro - think again. CEO Neil Stephen has a fascinating CV, including starting and selling a number of international tech businesses over the years, as well as running The London Olympic Beach Volleyball competition in 2012. He “gets” business and speaks with the authority of having worn all the t-shirts in business development over the years. In our conversation we discuss: Why a fascination for building teams led him into the tech sector; His previous life in business and how he ended up as CEO of Britain’s most popular Dental CRM company; Top tips for start ups - whether tech or dental; More top tips when you come to sell your business and when (and when not) to take on investors; Probably the clearest explanation of the benefits of CRM that you will ever hear; Crossing the implementation gap - how to get your team to buy into and start using new technology; What’s coming - where A.I and telecoms innovation are going to take CRM and dental practice management over the next three years. This conversation is a cracker - line this up for a commute, a dog walk or wherever you enjoy your podcasts the most - and prepare to be educated and entertained by a true business leader.
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S07 E03: The Monthly Action Plan - How to get the best out of your team, so that they can achieve their full potential
02/29/2024
S07 E03: The Monthly Action Plan - How to get the best out of your team, so that they can achieve their full potential
This week we interviewed David Taylor, an ex Dale Carnegie International Master Trainer & Leadership Trainer, who shares the benefits of developing a Monthly Action Plan. Many Dental Practices report that finding the right people, retaining them and the paying their true worth challenging, this concept can help in all three areas and can make the Dental Practice a much more productive and a happier environment On this podcast you will discover; What is an 'Action Monthly Plan' and the benefits it brings to the Dental Practice How to conduct an accountability meeting with your team Hear some example of how it raises the performance of your team and how they get really excited about being part of something bigger How to have challenging conversations with your team and associates without creating a toxic atmosphere The Wall flower concept and how it changed the direction of Chris, Ashley and Dave's career for the better and how you can have the same impact with your team Recite of Paddi Lunds 8 non negotiables in his Practice New Recruits-How to have a 'Expectations Contract' right at the start and the benefits it brings to the Dental Practice' AND SO MUCH MORE
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S07 E02: We do things differently down here
01/31/2024
S07 E02: We do things differently down here
If you walk round Manchester city centre, you will often see the above statement, ' WE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY HERE' which glorifys Manchester's achievements in the world and why Mancuncians are different. We have tweaked the above statement slightly for our guest today and you will see why when you listen to the interview. Born in Glasgow, Lawrence decided to take some time out to travel the world and then visited Sydney 11 years ago to do some dentistry for several months. He ended up staying and now Lawrence is partner in Spa Dental and three other Practices around Sydney. He is in the top five producers of Invisalign in the whole of Australia and as you listen to Lawrence you will clearly see how obsessive he is about the 'Patient Journey' and how they stand out from a very crowded market place. Have a pen and note pad to make lots of notes, this interview is full of gems. You will discover; How his practice and his team obsess about customer service You will understand his philosophy behind the refurbishment. of Spa Dental, to make it completely different to any other DP The absolute mission of giving the patient a completely different experience to any other dental practices How the practice gets five start google reviews and how they educate the patient on what to write. Google reviews you need 150 of them before you get on the start line The steps to the perfect patient journey and consultation How most of the work has been done before the patient has even visited the practice 'The hidden camera' you will have to wait to the very end to hear about this strategy The super associate what it means Instagram - how to make it a success
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S07 E01: On never giving up (and how to run your business in 60 minutes a month)
01/09/2024
S07 E01: On never giving up (and how to run your business in 60 minutes a month)
On never giving up (and how to run your business in 60 minutes a month) an interview with Dr Mike Hughes of Deintyddfa Na-Nóg Dental & Implant Team in Bangor, North Wales We begin our new podcasting year with a story of courage and resilience that has led to the creation of an award-winning specialist referral practice in Gwynedd, even though some local councillors and planning officers did their level best to stop the project before it started. Mike Hughes shares his history with us - qualifying as a reluctant dentist second time around in Cardiff and then moving on to develop his passion for MaxFax. After his mentor sold to corporate, Mike continued in that environment for 14 years until his hunger for independence led him to identify a site in a beautiful business park, where his vision was to create a leading specialist led referral centre, a vision that started as a chalk drawing on his driveway. Local planners thought otherwise and he made BBC news headlines back in 2021, when he eventually won his battle for the right to open. The clinic passed the £1m turnover mark in its first year and has gone on to even greater success. All without even having a website! In our conversation you will learn: how to grow a 4-chair practice in 2250 sq feet of office space; how to open in 3 months after acquiring the building how to attract over 400 new complex referral patients in your first year; how terrible Chris Barrow is at Welsh pronunciation! the three biggest tips for anyone stepping on to the ownership ladder in 2024; how Mike runs his business in 60 minutes a month.
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S06 E12: Our final podcast of 2023
12/20/2023
S06 E12: Our final podcast of 2023
In our final podcast of 2023, there is no guest, instead, we share our highs and lows of 2023 and also why we are so excited about dentistry in 2024. In the interview we discuss; Our highs of 2023 both personally and professionally Chris's calendar management system - how he plans out his year, often several months ahead; How and why he takes 12 weeks vacation every year Ashley's announcement - he is finally taking a short sabbatical Why are they both excited about 2024 in Dentistry AND MUCH MORE
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S06 E11: Lessons in Innovation and Leadership - a conversation with Ashley Byrne
11/30/2023
S06 E11: Lessons in Innovation and Leadership - a conversation with Ashley Byrne
Our guest for this month's podcast is dental technician Ashley Byrne - Owner Byrne Dental Laboratory, one of the largest and most advanced in the UK and now part of the European Corus Group. In the first part of our interview, Ashley reviews the opportunity in digital workflow: The sheer magic of IOS; Why using intra-oral scanners can save time, increase staff retention/morale and engage patents in their oral health to an extent never before seen. We also discuss how important it is to advance along the adoption cycle and embrace every aspect of technology - Ashley even shares his “latest” innovation, using augmented reality in dentistry. Part 2 of our podcast looks at his leadership skills with a team of over 50 people: How to get your team to 5th gear; The “no blame culture” and the £4,000 mistake; Why he cooks 180 rashers of bacon on a Sunday evening. It’s a fun session and totally inspirational - do yourself a favour and listen now.
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S06 E10: Why 2024 will be a great time to buy a dental practice
10/24/2023
S06 E10: Why 2024 will be a great time to buy a dental practice
S conversation with Lis Hughes - Managing Director - FTA It’s not often that we get the chance to listen to an industry expert sharing with us her view of the dental landscape since lockdown to the present - and beyond. Lis arrived at Frank Taylor Associates in 2008 to deliver some consultancy work - and has stayed there ever since, describing the company as a great place to work with nice people. During our conversation we discuss topics that will be of interest to all existing Owners and equally those who aspire to buy a practice: The current challenges we face deal flow goodwill values recruitment & retention corporate consolidation white space high interest rates The most important question any potential buyer must ask Why an NHS/private mix represents a good buying opportunity Ideas to maximise the attractiveness of your practice if you want to sell How to get the bank to say “Yes” to funding your purchase Why you need to start talking 2 years before you sell or buy Why a dental plan can make your practice look more attractive to the bank Why flexible UDAs have changed the landscape What we need to do to make NHS delivery more attractive to associates The real due diligence - affordability The next 12 months - opportunity knocks
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S06 E09: 'Paid' - The 10 Secrets to being richly rewarded for the value you deliver
10/03/2023
S06 E09: 'Paid' - The 10 Secrets to being richly rewarded for the value you deliver
In this latest episode of 'Two Reds are Better than One' Chris and Ashley interview Peter Thomson. Peter shares many strategies from his latest book 'Paid' Peter Thomson has been in business for over 51 years and he has been in the Personal Development world for 30 years. He has written 15 books, and produced over a 100 business programmes. This episode was a true masterclass in communication, sales and making sure you get richly rewarded for the value you bring to your patients. We strongly advise you listen to this podcast twice and make notes, there are some wonderful quotes that will change the way you think and behave. In this episode, you will discover: The difference between Transactional and Relationship Clients The real reason (s) why dentists undercharge Why only a small percentage of clients buy on price What a client can judge when they do business with you and how it relates to what fees you charge Why you should learn 'how to sell and then not sell' That sales takes place in the gathering stage The 'Contrast Strategy' and its importance before you discuss your fees How writing a book can transform your positioning in the market- place The two bowls, customer service and reward. To get richly rewarded it is what you put in the customer service bowl and you will hear examples One simple strategy to keep your patients for over 40 years AND SO MUCH MORE.
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S06 E08: Buying and Selling your Practice - a true life roller coaster of a journey
07/12/2023
S06 E08: Buying and Selling your Practice - a true life roller coaster of a journey
We asked Claire Nightingale to return as a guest and share with us the pains and pleasure of both buying and selling an orthodontic practice. This interview will help any dentist (specialist or general) who is interested in embarkation (or disembarkation) from Ownership. Claire’s first attempt at Ownership was a painful failure and she explains why - and equally why it was another 9 years before she acquired her own business. In part 1 we talk about that slow journey into Ownership. In part 2 the challenges of growing a business from “pen and paper” to digital. In part 3 the necessity to plan your exit a long way in advance. In part 4 the story of her sale to Dentex - and the mountain climb that is due diligence. In part 5 the journey into a happy corporate ownership. Along the way we will hear about family challenges, leading by change, how and asset can turn into a liability in a split second, how to break the news to the team, mop buckets, leases, currency exchange and missing shareholders. Strap yourself in and get ready for a tour de force. Listen now via the player below or your favourite podcast streaming service.
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S06 E07: Why you should advise your children to get into dentistry - an interview with Eddie Small
06/26/2023
S06 E07: Why you should advise your children to get into dentistry - an interview with Eddie Small
Ashley and I have known and worked with Gareth and Amanda Small at Helens Bay Dental Practice for so many years that Eddie remembers us as part of their dinner conversation when he and his sister Emily came home from school. Emily is now a dental therapist working in Dubai and Eddie is a dentist who commutes between London and Helens Bay (just outside Belfast) on a weekly basis. In this conversation, we trace Eddie’s life so far (one of our youngest ever guests) from thinking about dentistry at the age of 6, becoming more interested in his parent’s work from age 11 and deciding on a dental qualification as soon as his GCSE’s were completed. Then to the University of Manchester (great choice Eddie) and happy years during which he was expertly mentored by Professor Siobhan Barry and also met numerous people from whom and with whom he learned. Eddie became Co-President of the Undergraduate Society and helped to chair their annual conference post-Covid. From this time he also recalls a training course attended with his father over in the Czech Republic with Dr. Josef Kunkela - a course at which he met the presenter’s son and others of his own age group - all attending with parents - a fraternity that inspired him to do more. Key words for Eddie are “passion”, “learning”, “innovation”. After graduation he worked as a Foundation Dentist in Sunningdale, Berkshire and has many happy memories of that time to share. As stated, he now splits his time between England and Northern Ireland and frequently introduces digital workflow ideas to his parents, who remain totally open-minded to every suggestion promoted. This is a success story - about dentistry, family and dedication. We think you should share the podcast with others who either have children or parents who may be inspired. Eddie also kindly offers to answer direct questions confidentially - you can reach him at
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S06 E06: "Three Reds are Better than One" - a podcast Xtra with Enrica Latter as “The Third Red"
06/05/2023
S06 E06: "Three Reds are Better than One" - a podcast Xtra with Enrica Latter as “The Third Red"
Have you ever considered what a new patient enquiry is worth to your practice? If a patient is interested in some cosmetic treatments, for example short term orthodontics, bonding, teeth whitening, or implants, each telephone call could be potentially worth thousands of pounds. If a patient is enquiring about just becoming a patient and they join your membership plan, over a ten-year relationship, then they could easily spend several thousands of pounds with you. This is becoming increasingly important as patients are often shopping around, and some of them are enquiring about NHS services. Therefore, it would be safe to say that the Reception Team are some of the most important members of your team, they are often dealing with thousands of pounds worth of opportunities every day and they could make, or break whether a patient visits your practice, or your competitors down the road. In this episode Chris and Ashley along with Enrica Latter, Ashley's daughter, explore this topic in detail. Enrica who works in a top end Private Dental Practice in Manchester as a TCO, made a dozen mystery telephone calls to Practices throughout the UK and what she discovered was alarming. In this podcast you will discover; Why your Front of House Team/Receptionists are the most important team members within the Dental Practice; Why they should be called 'Managing Director of First Impressions'; The skills and traits of someone who is dynamic on the telephone and how employing from outside the industry can be advantageous; What Enrica discovered after making all these calls and the five big take-aways from the exercise; What not to do if a patient is enquiring about NHS, when you can only see the patient on a private basis; The incredible offer made by Ashley Latter for those who are serious about making progress in this area, including free training places on his courses. AND MUCH MORE
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S06 E05: 'It Does Not Get Greener than this’ - building an amazing practice and a team who love to come to work
05/30/2023
S06 E05: 'It Does Not Get Greener than this’ - building an amazing practice and a team who love to come to work
One of the biggest challenges Owners and Practice Managers face is creating a highly motivated team that performs at a top level all of the time. A culture in which everyone loves coming to work to do their best, and in which they know they can reach their full potential. A culture that very few practices manage to achieve. Marina and Michael Chan have succeeded within their stunning Dental Practice, Iconic Dentistry & Medispa in Perth in Western Australia. Not only is the interior of the Practice beautiful, including a self-playing piano in the reception area, creating a surreal atmosphere, that patients love to come to and often travel long distances to visit. Ashley recently delivered an In House Two Day Ethical Sales & Communication Programme for their whole Practice and over lunch, one of their team members commented about the culture and said "It does not get any greener than here" and that is how this interview came about. In this interview, Ashley and Chris grill both Marina and Michael, to understand what they do every day to create such a wonderful culture. You will discover, Where the Chan's got their inspiration for the decor of their Practice How thinking about their team is a daily obsession What is the moist important asset in their office The importance of the 'Morning Huddle' and a precise description of what happens at 07:45 every morning The four days of training and retreats that take place every year for the whole team, what goes on and why The whole teams obsession with constantly improving and reaching their full potential How the Chans have created an environment where every voice is heard and new ideas are created How they recruit and what are the most important things they look for in new people The one attribute each team member must bring into work every day, absolutely no compromise here. And much more. This is one of the longest interviews the 'Two Reds"' have facilitated, ensure you have a pen and paper to write down the many ideas you will get from listening.
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S06 E04: “Make every second count” - Making More Profit in Less Time with Invisalign and Dental Monitoring
04/20/2023
S06 E04: “Make every second count” - Making More Profit in Less Time with Invisalign and Dental Monitoring
On this month’s podcast we welcome the former owner of Queen's Gate Orthodontics (South Kensington), Dr. Claire Nightingale - now a part of the Dentex family of practices. We begin by reminiscing that Chris first heard Claire speak at the 2019 BOS annual conference and, thus inspired, he asked for an interview for his own clients in January 2020. Claire shared her commitment to digital workflow and virtual consultation, little realising that, just a few weeks later, we would be plunged into lockdown and that, on the return to work, her new business practices would accelerate the growth of her business. Best Practice UK, Dentistry Awards, 2020. Most Transformed Practice, UK and I Invisalign Awards, 2022 Best Digital Practice, London, Highly Commended, Private Dentistry Awards, 2022 Best Principal, London and South East, Private Dentistry Awards, 2022 As well as being inspired by Claire’s enthusiasm and energy, you will learn: Why Claire became an orthodontist; Why it is important to start any business venture with your exit strategy in mind; Top tips for selling your business, both before, during and after the sales process; The massive benefits of digitisation and of Dental Monitoring; How working smarter and not harder creates The Nirvana Graph The Four Pillars of Claire’s success Turning negatives into positives; Being resilient; Offering world class customer care; Building your business through word of mouth. Claire is a power-house of passion, determination and focus - and if 1% of it rubs off on you, your time will have been well spent.
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S06 E03: The Secrets to Finding a Passion in Dentistry - How to start a brand new dental clinic and prosper from day one
04/03/2023
S06 E03: The Secrets to Finding a Passion in Dentistry - How to start a brand new dental clinic and prosper from day one
In this month’s podcast we interview Chris Ball - Co-Founder of a super-successful private squat in Preston, Lancashire - Dentistry by Cure Clinics. For anyone considering future practice ownership, anyone who has purchased or opened a clinic in the last few years - and for anybody who may have “lost their mojo” - this conversation is a must. Chris shares with us his personal life story and also a detailed account of the planning and execution of the squat opening in May 2022. By the way - the business has been a huge success story with record sales, full surgeries and they have had to close down the recruitment page on their website BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING TOO MANY JOB APPLICANTS. You’ll learn that Chris is a local lad to Preston, grew up in a family that instilled his work ethic, discovered dentistry as a trauma patient and managed to get into dental school on his third attempt. We will discover why the phrase “luck is the meeting place of opportunity and preparation” is to relevant to the circumstances in which the concept was born - a conversation with his Pharmacist brother at Christmas 2021, that led to the plans for and creation of the clinic. In this podcast you will also hear: The communication rules for a successful family business; How the clinic manages to stay open for business 7 days a week; The story of the pre-registration campaign that had thousands of potential new patients asking for information before the doors opened; The marketing campaign that had a film crew arriving to create a news-piece for The lancashire Evening Post; The chance encounter in a Cornwall restaurant that resulted in the appointment of their Patient-Experience Coordinator; How best to avoid burn out; What next for Cure Clinics? Chris Ball will inspire you and remind you that with a combination of careful preparation, collaboration, core values and future-thinking, anything is possible.
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S06 E02: The Secrets to Finding a Passion in Dentistry
02/27/2023
S06 E02: The Secrets to Finding a Passion in Dentistry
Karl Walker Finch is our latest guest on the 'Two Reds are Better than One Podcast'. Karl graduated in 2010 in Liverpool and then spent the next 5 years working as an associate on the Wirral before joining Lindley Dental in Huddersfield as an associate who announced on his first day that someday he wanted his own place. Very early on in his career, Karl discovered two passions. His first was for Implants and in 2014 took a Masters in Implantology and the other was that he had an Entrepreneurial streak in him, and that he wanted to be a Practice Owner one day. In 2022, he became a Practice Owner along with his wife Marisa, when he purchased a Practice and changed the name to 'Smiles in Tandem’ which is based in Huddersfield. Karl concentrates on all things dentistry and Marisa's speciality is Counselling and Psychotherapy. This is a fascinating interview and Karl really opens up and shares some of his own mental health issues and what he did to overcome them and still does every day. There are so many take-aways for everyone. As well as running his own busy Practice, he is a family man and yet he has still found time to write a book called 'In the Loupe' - The Secrets to Finding a Passion in Dentistry' and he talks about this book on the podcast. You can purchase the book NOW at . In this interview you will discover; One of the most important principles that you need to adopt when buying an existing Dental Practice Karls biggest single mistake when he purchased the Practice The importance of Communication with the team and how to get your team to buy into the changes you want to make The three techniques Karl adopted to deal with his own mental health issues and how he maintains a happy work and home life The importance of every day writing The importance of pace, not race and living in the moment Goal setting is not the be all and end all and how it can have impact on quality The impact that belonging to a Mastermind group can have in your career AND MUCH MORE.
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S06 E01: The Queen of Automation
02/06/2023
S06 E01: The Queen of Automation
This month we meet with Lisa Catto, founder of And creator of: who talks to us about the three critical results of the work she does for dental practices: Saving time; Getting organised and Growing sales. Nothing to not like there. Lisa has run her own businesses since the age of 19 and has a bewildering CV that includes: Turning a roller-skating rink into a rave venue; Running an animation art gallery in central London; Pioneering computer games and digital marketing before the internet “was a thing” and we were using floppy disks and dial up modems! After a sabbatical in the South of France, she returned to the UK and started working in small business automation before most of us even knew what that meant. Chris first met Lisa during lockdown, when she was automating an ortho group and he has since witnessed the transformative work she has done with a number of his clients in general practice. For Ashley, meeting Lisa for this podcast recording was the second blind date of his life - and the first that has turned up! Lisa explains to us in very clear and direct terms the three phases of her work with dental clients, automating: Phase 1 - what happens before someone becomes a patient (including her unique SmileViewer systemhttp://www.smile-viewer.com/); Phase 2 - how they are converted into fee-paying patients and Phase 3 - how they are looked after as patients. She also explains how the work she does integrates with Practice Management Software and the thorough onboarding that is done with the dental team when her systems are put in place. Ultimately, she says, “automation is about creating the extra time and space to build relationships” and that “incremental is exponential” - if you can save just 5 minutes a day, that’s almost 3 full days a year of team activity. Dentists leave too much money on the table in treatment plans never sold or not taken up - Lisa shows us how to automate improvement. It’s a great interview, never too technical or geeky and we think you will love it.
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S05 E20: An end of year special with Chris and Ashley
12/16/2022
S05 E20: An end of year special with Chris and Ashley
On todays 'Two Reds are Better than One Podcast' Ashley and Chris discuss their highs and lows of 2022 and share their goals and aspirations for 2023. Like never before, Ashley and Chris open their hearts and share some very personal stories and as usual, there is no holding back. As usual, there are many lessons and takeaways for your own personal and business life. In this podcast you will discover; How a Hotel seriously messed up one of Ashley's Courses and how shabbily they dealt with the issue, losing a £200,000 client overnight. This is how not to deal with complaints. How a One Star google review caused a few sleepless nights for Ashley and how he managed to move on How to develop resistance in your life and how to bounce back after serious set backs How at the age of 69, Chris Barrow has finally given into the PACE not RACE philosophy The impact climbing the highest mountain in Italy has had on Chris Chris scores himself 3/10 as a new grandfather and he shares what he is going to do to improve his score. Why everyone needs a Coach or some one to cry on How Chris and Ashley have survived several recessions and their final message to all their listeners to make 2023 a good one. AND MUCH MORE
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S05 E19: Bringing Preventive Well-being Education To The Forefront In Dentistry
11/30/2022
S05 E19: Bringing Preventive Well-being Education To The Forefront In Dentistry
With mental health at the top of the agenda for leaders, managers and in our own lives, we welcomed Dr. Mahrukh Khwaja to this month’s podcast to discover how she has used her own experiences with burnout and depression to help others in dentistry.
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S05 E18: Creating a dental success story in a North West seaside resort
10/26/2022
S05 E18: Creating a dental success story in a North West seaside resort
Five years ago, Stuart and Amy Barnes purchased a two-surgery Dental Practice on the first floor above a Thomas Cook Travel Agents in Lytham St. Annes, near Blackpool. Through incredible hard work, dedication, often working seven days a week, the Practice has expanded to five chairs, fully private and is experiencing record numbers of new patients and turnover. In this podcast, Stuart and Amy share their story. It was so good, that this was one of the longest podcasts the Two Reds have recorded. It is simply full of gems. The best thing about this interview is you will rarely meet a more down to earth couple. You will learn; When buying a Dental Practice, or setting up a squat, why it is important to look at the potential rather than the current situation How being naive and making BOLD quick decisions can often win through From leaflets drops to social media, why you need several different types of marketing and campaigns running at the same time How belonging to Peer and Mastermind Groups is essential to succeed in business today The power of a Brand Book and how implementing this one strategy can solve all your recruitment issues and attract the right type of employees to your Dental Practice The benefits of having a brilliant Business Manager AND MUCH MORE
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S05 E17: Simple steps to exceptional leadership - an interview with David Taylor
08/31/2022
S05 E17: Simple steps to exceptional leadership - an interview with David Taylor
We are currently in the most challenging recruitment and retention crises in dentistry for 25 years and if that was not enough, we are also in one of the worst cost of living crises in 40 years. With people swapping jobs for more money, It has never been more important to look at how to keep and recruit the best talent. You have to show up as a great leader.. In the latest episode of 'Two Reds are Better than One' Ashley and Chris interviewed David Taylor who like Ashley, was an ex Dale Carnegie Master Leadership Trainer. David has been delivering Leadership & Management Training for over 30 years, and is an expert in this field. Whether you a business owner, a Practice Manager, or an an associate, there are many take aways in this inspirational interview.
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S05 E16: Building a 10-practice dental business based on what you learned from your Dad
07/18/2022
S05 E16: Building a 10-practice dental business based on what you learned from your Dad
Today we welcome the co-owner and Operations Director for a 10-practice West Midlands micro-corporate - Tri-Dental - a warm welcome to Polly Bhambra. Buckle up and get ready for the ride - because Polly is a powerhouse of enthusiasm for what it takes to grow a Champions League dental business in the current challenging landscape. Polly shares with us her unique childhood and career pathway and in this interview you will learn: About her childhood - one of five children of Indian immigrant parents from India who arrived with nothing in the 1960’s; How her father (known locally as "Mr. Singh") grew his own business and instilled in his children a work-ethic and people-ethic that forms the core values of Tri-Dental today; Why “respect” is one of those core values; Why “bitching is bullying” and what to do about it; The 4 questions Polly always asks herself when interviewing new team members and clinicians; How Tri-Dental onboard new team members and then keep them self-motivated; Polly’s own unique career pathway (no spoilers here - but you’ll never guess); Why and how she bought a derelict dental practice in 2006 and how it has grown into Tri-Dental; Dealing with the current recruitment and retention crisis; What do do and say when a team member presents you with a better offer from a new Employer and asks you to match it.; How Polly sees the next 18 months in dentistry UK. This interview is a belter and we are so grateful that Polly gave us her time and shared her story and insights.
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S05 E15: How to fail your finals and still be President
06/08/2022
S05 E15: How to fail your finals and still be President
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S05 E14: Running a micro-corporate, one day at a time
04/05/2022
S05 E14: Running a micro-corporate, one day at a time
An interview with Grant Watson from Envisage Dental Group
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