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EP 47: Breaking Free of the Shoulds with Debbie Harrell

Release Date: 03/19/2025

EP 70: Unmasking the "Man of God": Gabrielle Burton on Spiritual Abuse, Narcissism, and Identity Restoration

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura sits down with Gabrielle Burton, a Christian Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who specializes in the intersection of faith and clinical mental health. Gabrielle’s expertise isn't just professional—it’s deeply personal. Growing up as the "Golden Child" of a narcissistic pastor, she lived the confusing reality of reconciling a charismatic public persona with the severe emotional abuse that happened behind closed doors. Gabrielle shares her journey of "performing for love" and how her upbringing in a high-control religious...

EP 69: From Pain to Purpose: Alana Sharps on Healing from Narcissistic Abuse and Supporting Others

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura sits down with Alana Sharps, founder of SurThrive Tribe, a High Conflict Divorce and Child Custody Consultant, and Best Selling Author. Alana’s work is deeply rooted in both professional expertise and lived experience. After navigating a toxic marriage marked by psychological abuse, she transformed her own pain into purpose—emerging as an empowered survivor and a dedicated advocate for others facing similar challenges. Alana shares her personal journey through a psychologically abusive marriage with a covert...

EP 68: Permission Granted: How to Prioritize Pleasure and Presence in Your Everyday Life with Amy Jones

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura sits down with Amy Jones — a Reflector Mentor, Sacred Strategist, and award-winning Publisher who generated over $1M in new client revenue in her first year of business while working part-time as a single mom of three. As a rare Reflector (just 1% of the population), Amy blends intuitive clarity with grounded, strategic leadership to help women build sustainable, soul-led businesses rooted in rhythm, purpose, and inner truth. Before founding LIVE WITH INTENT Media Group, Amy spent more than two decades in...

EP 67: How Lynda's Fear-Busting Challenge Changed Everything In Her Life

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura interviews Lynda Sunshine West, who shares her journey from a traumatic childhood to personal transformation. Lynda recounts running away from home at age five, overcoming years of fear and low self-worth, and breaking through one fear every day for a year. Her story highlights healing from past trauma, building healthy relationships, and finding purpose as a bestselling author and book publisher. The conversation offers hope and practical tools for women seeking to overcome fear, embrace self-acceptance, and create a fulfilling, authentic...

EP 66: Consciously Awake: Lisa's Journey Out of Toxic Love

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura interviews Lisa Hawkins — a Dating & Relationship Coach who empowers men and women to thrive in their relationships. With over 30 years of experience, Lisa has dedicated her life to understanding the intricacies of human connection and what truly makes relationships flourish. Her personal journey, marked by challenges, growth, and deep spiritual awareness, has given her a profound understanding of the obstacles individuals face in their search for love, healing, and self-discovery. Lisa shares her story of overcoming generational...

EP 65: Beth's Cinderella Story: A Journey of Healing, Courage, and God-Given Purpose

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura welcomes Beth M. Jones—an International Speaker, Author of 30 books, and podcaster. Beth is the wife of fire chief Ray, mom to three beautiful daughters (Heather, Eden, and Leah), and has two adorable cats. She helps women step out of fear into faith by sharing her story and the freedom we have in Jesus. Beth believes we should dream big because we serve a big God! Beth shares her powerful journey from childhood abuse and toxic relationships to healing and faith. She discusses overcoming trauma, recognizing red flags in abusive...

EP 64: Gray Rock & Glow Up with Julie Danielson: Rebuilding Life After a Toxic Marriage

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura welcomes Julie Danielson—Life Coach, author, host of the "Get Over Divorce" podcast, and creator of the "Get Over Divorce Collective," a coaching program that helps women heal powerfully and create a life they love after divorce. Julie discusses healing after divorce, especially from narcissistic relationships, sharing her personal journey and the challenges of co-parenting with a toxic ex. She offers practical strategies like setting boundaries and using the Gray Rock Method. Together, they emphasize the importance of self-care,...

EP 63: Your Money, Your Voice: How to Reclaim Control After Divorce with Rhonda Noordyk

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In this episode of "That's Where I'm At," host Laura talks with Rhonda, a financial coach and advocate for women navigating divorce. Once someone who avoided conflict, Rhonda transformed her communication skills through therapy and education, turning her personal challenges into a mission to help other women find their voice and financial confidence. With over 17,000 hours of experience, 565 clients served, and $20 million secured for women, Rhonda brings both expertise and empathy to her work. A former financial advisor, she recognized that women facing divorce need more than advice—they...

EP 62: Rebuilding After Divorce — Finding Yourself Again with Heidi Bee

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In this empowering episode of That’s Where I’m At, host Laura sits down with Heidi Bee, the Divorce Comeback Coach, to explore the emotional journey of rebuilding life after divorce. Heidi Bee is a certified and trauma-informed divorce coach and somatic breathwork facilitator. Through her 3-month Comeback Course & Coaching Community, she helps women navigate their “new normal” by providing the roadmap, resources, and relationships needed to move forward with confidence. She’s also the host of the Divorce Comeback...

EP 61: The Power of Sobriety & Self-Discovery with Kate Vitela

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In this episode of That's Where I'm At, host Laura sits down with Kate, a nurse of more than 20 years and a personal development coach, to talk about sobriety, self-worth, and healing after narcissistic relationships. Together, they explore how alcohol, food, and limiting beliefs can leave women vulnerable to toxic dynamics—and how breaking free requires courage, boundaries, and a new story. Kate shares her personal journey of getting sober, healing from toxic relationships, and reclaiming her power through coaching and self-discovery. With a focus on mental health and sobriety in her...

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Debbie Harrell is the vibrant force behind the New World Normal podcast—a space where questioning and disrupting societal norms is not just encouraged, it's the main event. As the host, Debbie dives into insightful conversations with guest experts and thought leaders, exploring how we can break free from norms that no longer serve us.

In her coaching practice, Debbie is a guide for values-focused individuals ready to disrupt their personal norms. She empowers clients to challenge all of their "shoulds" and "have-tos," helping them align with their core principles rather than societal expectations.

Beyond her biz, Debbie is a proud mom to two grown humans and caretaker of two rescued fur-babies. Nature, travel, and live music are her happy places, especially when they come together. Debbie's belief in the power of community is the driving force behind her podcast and community—providing comfort and connection in our often chaotic world. Because, in Debbie's view, embracing our similarities and collaborating as a collective offers the best chance for us all thriving in this crazy world.

When we face life changes like divorce or a new job, uncertainty often follows. I would ask my friends what they wanted, and most didn't know. We've spent so much time following societal expectations that we're disconnected from our true desires.

Today’s guest is Debbie from the New World Normal podcast, where she challenges societal norms and guides individuals to align their lives with personal values instead of society's demands.

Debbie shares her journey into coaching—realizing she wasn't fulfilled despite doing everything expected of her led her to question life's transitions. She found herself asking others what they truly wanted when faced with similar uncertainties.

Her own experiences—a challenging year marked by loss and trauma—prompted deep reflection on how past events impacted her well-being. Recognizing symptoms of trauma helped Debbie understand the importance of addressing these issues before reaching breaking points.

We discuss recognizing signs that something might be wrong: feeling numb, relying on distractions like shopping or Netflix too heavily, or saying “that’s just who I am” as an excuse for behavior patterns developed for self-protection.

The key takeaway is giving yourself permission to explore your feelings without waiting for major life disruptions as catalysts for change. Healing doesn't have to be overwhelming; it's about peeling back layers gently over time while seeking support through communities or professionals when needed.

3:13 Realizing we did all the “shoulds” we’re told to do.

04:06 Being caught on a treadmill of what we should do, and reflecting on what we actually want to do.

04:43 Hindsight on divorce & the transition

6:36 From podcasting to coaching

7:38 My Hero’s journey & an abrupt loss

08:58 The nation's largest mass shooting

00:15:46The comparison game about trauma

21:23 Feeling trapped in a relationship that leaves you questioning your worth and sanity?

29:07 Needing permission as an adult and borrowing courage

32:06 Oh, wait, who am I? Like, people don't want to hear from me.

33:04 Book recommendations

42:09 Reflections on becoming better

Quotes :

“We are not getting better for the sake of being better for ourselves. We're getting better for the sake of being better for the world around us. You know, like, it all ripples out. “

“Why do we have to wait for big life transitions? Why not start thinking about it now?”

“If you’re feeling something was traumatic, it probably was.”

If you are ready to questions some norms please schedule a free discovery call today!