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Autism: The Quiet Ones with Joanna Grace

The SENDcast

Release Date: 08/14/2025

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We often think of the disruptive autistic child - the one whose behaviour draws attention and prompts others to suggest stricter discipline. This representation, sometimes referred to as the "boys' presentation of autism", overshadows the many individuals who do not visibly express their struggles.

Dr Joanna Grace, sensory engagement and inclusion specialist, joins Dale to discuss ‘Autism: The Quiet Ones’. Jo shares insights on the often-overlooked experiences of autistic individuals who may not display disruptive behaviours. Many autistic people experience challenges without revealing them, and those who care for them often worry deeply.

It's crucial to recognise that masking can put these individuals at risk. Autistic people who appear fine may be silently struggling, and misinterpreting their lack of visible need can lead to a failure to provide the necessary help. The quiet ones require just as much understanding and support as their louder counterparts.

Jo explores what is happening with these quieter individuals and how we can better support those who do not demand attention through their actions. Through personal anecdotes and expert advice, the discussion highlights the importance of understanding and supporting these quieter neurodivergent individuals. Listen to discover strategies for fostering inclusion and empathy in educational settings and beyond and support for all autistic learners!

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About Joanna Grace 

Joanna Grace is a sensory engagement and inclusion specialist, doctoral researcher, author, trainer, TEDx speaker and Founder of The Sensory Projects.  

Joanna has worked with people with learning disabilities and neurodivergent conditions aged from 0-100 (well 1 day old – 87 years old to be precise) in a range of settings and context. 

Through all she does Joanna is seeking to contribute to a future where people are understood in spite of their differences.

 

Contact Joanna

www.TheSensoryProjects.co.uk

sensorystory@gmail.com

www.Facebook.com/JoannaGraceTSP

https://x.com/Jo3Grace

 

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Want to hear more from Joanna?

Joanna has joined Dale live in our studio to present 3 CPD training sessions:

  1. Autism: practical neuroscientific sensory insights
  2. Autism: neurotype or behaviour?
  3. Sensory strategies in the classroom

Buy now for just £10 per session which can be shared with your whole school.

 

 

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