The Practice of Therapy Podcast with Gordon Brewer
This podcast is here for therapists, counselors, social workers, psychotherapists, and mental health clinicians in their practice journeys. I'm Gordon Brewer and the person behind The Practice of Therapy Blog and Website that provides tools, resources and advice for people starting, growing or expanding their private practices. The podcast will help you learn from other experts in the field to move your private practice forward to success. The Practice of Therapy Podcast is part of the PsychCraft Network of Podcasts; PsychCraft, LLC
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Caitlin Rose | New Understandings in Neuroscience For Treating Trauma In Your Practice | TPOT 398
09/08/2025
Caitlin Rose | New Understandings in Neuroscience For Treating Trauma In Your Practice | TPOT 398
Have you ever tried to calm yourself down during a panic attack - only to find that the very tools you’ve been taught suddenly don’t work? That was the turning point for Caitlin Rose, a performance neuroscience coach and founder of Build Resilience. Her own struggle with trauma and anxiety led her to uncover a hidden truth: it’s not just about regulation, it’s about capacity. In this episode of The Practice of Therapy Podcast, Caitlin shares how understanding the difference between nervous system regulation and capacity can transform the way therapists support clients - and the way we heal ourselves. In this episode, we talk about: The crucial difference between nervous system regulation and capacity—and why tools don’t always work when we need them most Practical ways to expand the window of tolerance through vagal tone, CO₂ tolerance, and vascular flexibility How building nervous system capacity acts as a scaffolding for other modalities like EMDR, brainspotting, and somatic experiencing Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Caitlin Rose Caitlin Rose is a trauma consultant and educator dedicated to helping therapists bridge the gap between somatic theory and practical application. With a deep understanding that trauma lives in the body, Caitlin teaches clinicians how to move beyond mechanistic views of regulation into a dynamic of Nervous System Collaboration. Her work focuses on leveling the playing field for trauma survivors, who often live in states of chronic constriction and collapse, by equipping practitioners with tools to support nervous system capacity alongside trauma processing. Through her work at Build Resilience, Caitlin guides therapists in creating conditions where clients can experience agency from the start, build trust and safety directly with their nervous systems, and sustain progress between sessions. She is passionate about transforming the therapeutic process into one that is more efficient, compassionate, and deeply human—for both client and clinician. Caitlin’s approach empowers practitioners who want to push the edges of their skills, offering a missing foundation that makes everything else they do more powerful.
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Aaron Price | Getting The Most From Your Psychology Today Profile | TPOT 397
09/01/2025
Aaron Price | Getting The Most From Your Psychology Today Profile | TPOT 397
What if the key to filling your private practice isn’t more credentials, certifications, or complicated marketing strategies— but a few simple tweaks to your Psychology Today profile? In this episode of the Practice of Therapy Podcast, Gordon sits down with Aaron Price, founder of , to uncover the hidden power of Psychology Today. With nearly 60% of therapy seekers finding their clinician through this platform, your profile could be the single biggest factor in whether your phone rings—or stays silent. Aaron shares exactly what makes a profile stand out, the common mistakes most therapists don’t even realize they’re making, and how a 15-second video can completely change the game. Whether you’re brand new to private practice or ready to scale your caseload, you’ll walk away with practical, proven strategies you can put into action today. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Aaron Price Aaron Price is a marketing expert and software engineer who specializes in building marketing tools for private practice therapists. As the founder of Therapy Profile Pro, Aaron has helped over 1,000 therapists enhance their Psychology Today profiles, refine their professional focus, and attract more of their ideal clients authentically and ethically. Before founding Therapy Profile Pro, Aaron led marketing for multiple education and climate tech companies. He has also been attending therapy himself for the past seven years—a journey that he describes as life-changing. Aaron holds a Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science from Duke University.
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Dr. Stephanie Thrower | Why Every Private Practice Needs an AI Strategy (Yes, Even Yours) | TPOT 396
08/25/2025
Dr. Stephanie Thrower | Why Every Private Practice Needs an AI Strategy (Yes, Even Yours) | TPOT 396
Have you been wondering how AI fits into the world of therapy and private practice? In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Stephanie Thrower—a psychologist, career coach, and AI educator—who’s using tech to help therapists expand their impact, streamline their work, and step into new possibilities beyond one-on-one sessions. We’re talking practical tools, smart marketing strategies, and how to use AI without losing your voice (or your sanity). Whether you’re just getting curious or already experimenting with AI, you’re going to walk away inspired and equipped. In this episode, you’ll learn: How AI can save you time and energy in private practice What makes good marketing copy (and how AI can help you write it) How to use AI for content creation—without sounding robotic Why therapists should be involved in building the future of AI Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Dr. Stephanie Thrower Stephanie Thrower is a psychologist and coach helping values-driven practitioners use AI tools to simplify marketing, scale income, and build meaningful, sustainable businesses. With a background in vocational psychology, mental health, performance psychology, and social justice, she guides clients through mindset, messaging, and system-building. Stephanie is also the creator of custom GPT tools that help therapists and coaches reclaim time, express their voice, and show up more consistently online—all while designing innovative, client-centered ways to teach and support growth in the online learning space.
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Linzy Bonham | Private Practice Shame Around Money | TPOT 395
08/18/2025
Linzy Bonham | Private Practice Shame Around Money | TPOT 395
Most of us didn’t get into therapy because we dreamed of being business owners. We wanted to help people. We wanted to do meaningful work. But somewhere along the way, we realized that to have the freedom and flexibility we crave, we’d need to go into private practice —and that meant running a business. Which meant dealing with money. Enter: panic. Linzy Bonham, a former trauma therapist turned financial coach and educator, knows this all too well. When she started her own practice, she quickly noticed that no one was talking about how to manage the financial side of things. There was no roadmap for how to save for taxes, track expenses, or figure out if you could afford to hire help. So she built one—and in the process, uncovered something deeper: It’s not just about spreadsheets. It’s about mindset. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Linzy Bonham Linzy Bonham is a private practice therapist turned money coach who helps fellow therapists feel calm, confident, and in control of their finances. The daughter of an accountant, Linzy brings a unique blend of therapeutic insight and financial savvy—half therapist, half bookkeeper. When she entered private practice, she immediately dove into learning how to build a sustainable business that could support her life and keep money in the bank. Along the way, she noticed something troubling: brilliant, compassionate colleagues were struggling with the financial side of their practices. Some avoided private practice altogether, while others left because the stress of managing money felt overwhelming. So Linzy decided to combine her people skills with her bookkeeping brain—and Money Nuts & Bolts was born. Today, she helps therapists develop peace of mind around money. Since most therapists were never taught how to manage finances, Linzy focuses on making the “how” approachable, doable, and even enjoyable. (Because feeling competent and calm about your money? It’s pretty great.) Her signature course, Money Skills for Therapists, has helped hundreds of therapists in (or preparing for) private practice get their finances in order and shift their relationship with money. She also offers Money Skills for Group Practice Owners, a course that guides practice owners through mindset work, systems, key numbers, and leadership strategies—so they can become confident, empowered CFOs of their own thriving practices.
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Rachel Bentley | Why Your Inner Critic Might Be Running Your Private Practice | TPOT 394
08/11/2025
Rachel Bentley | Why Your Inner Critic Might Be Running Your Private Practice | TPOT 394
When it comes to leading a private practice, most people focus on strategy, logistics, and profitability. But what if the secret to becoming a better therapist, leader, and human being isn’t outside of you, but inside? In this episode, Gordon Brewer sat down with Rachel Bentley of Next Level Private Practice to explore how Internal Family Systems (IFS)—or "parts work"—has completely transformed the way she leads, supervises, and shows up in the therapy room. Spoiler: it’s not just about helping your clients—it starts with understanding yourself. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Rachel Bentley Rachel Bentley is a Licensed Professional Counselor and IFS Level 2 trained therapist. She is the CEO and Founder of COR Counseling, a group practice of 40 clinicians. COR is LGBTQIA+ centered and affirming. As Rachel built a sustainable and profitable group practice, folks started coming to her for advice and mentorship. Because of this, she created Next Level Private Practice—a consulting company that helps clinicians in all stages of private practice. Are you ready to take your private practice to the next level? Whether you’re launching your practice, expanding from solo to group, or sustaining a thriving group practice, Next Level Private Practice is here to support you at every stage. We offer: On-demand courses A comprehensive practice assessment Mentorship groups One-on-one consulting You'll also gain access to a vibrant community through our Facebook group, and be invited to Lunch with Rachel—a free monthly Zoom event packed with expert insights and practical resources. We’re also thrilled to announce the Next Level Private Practice Summit, taking place in Grand Rapids, MI, in late September 2025. The summit will be a place to: 1. Connect and build community with like-minded folks who do the work you do (no more isolation!) 2. Get inspired and reenergized about your work as a therapist, business owner—or both 3. Learn from 30+ speakers who will provide tangible takeaways and action steps to help you begin or grow your practice Join us and build a practice that’s not just successful—but sustainable.
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Dr. Tiana Kelly | Compliance Anxiety: Systems That Strengthen Your Private Practice | TPOT 393
08/04/2025
Dr. Tiana Kelly | Compliance Anxiety: Systems That Strengthen Your Private Practice | TPOT 393
Think compliance is just about HIPAA? Think again. In this episode, Gordon sits down with Dr. Tiana Kelly—licensed professional counselor, compliance expert, and co-founder of Private Practice by Design—to unpack what compliance really looks like in a modern private practice. From late notes and misgendering mistakes to the growing use of AI and how to document for maintenance clients, Tiana breaks it all down in a refreshingly honest and approachable way. Whether you're a new therapist still figuring out documentation or a seasoned practice owner ready to level up your systems, this episode is packed with practical insights, helpful reminders, and a few “oh no, I’ve done that” moments. You’ll walk away feeling empowered—not panicked—about building a HIPAA-secure, ethically sound, and human-centered private practice. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Dr. Tiana Kelly Dr. Tiana Kelly has been working in a clinical capacity in counseling since 2017 and has dedicated several years to developing and strengthening Move Forward Counseling’s compliance program. She has most recently worked alongside Alison Pidgeon to establish Private Practice By Design, LLC – a business focused on providing consultation to other private practice owners. Tiana brings a wealth of knowledge and experience in her consultant role related to compliant documentation practices and policy development, HIPAA standards, and chart auditing. In addition, Tiana has a Doctorate Degree in Prevention Science, which has equipped her with the skillset necessary to identify and promote protection against compliance risks.
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Tara Vossenkemper | The Culture Code for Group Practice | TPOT 392
07/28/2025
Tara Vossenkemper | The Culture Code for Group Practice | TPOT 392
Ready to Build a Private Practice People Actually Want to Work In? If you've ever wondered what it really takes to build a group practice with heart, soul, and systems that don’t make your team want to scream into a pillow, this episode is for you. Gordon sits down with the brilliant (and refreshingly honest) Tara Vossenkemper, founder, leadership nerd, and culture whisperer, to talk about the magic behind creating a practice culture where therapists actually feel seen, supported, and inspired. They’re diving into everything from core values that aren’t just fluff, to EOS (aka the operating system your practice didn’t know it needed), to why fart jokes and quarterly meetings both matter when you’re leading a team. Whether you’re just starting to build your group or looking to breathe new life into a burnt-out culture, this episode is packed with wisdom, wit, and seriously helpful takeaways. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Tara Vossenkemper Tara Vossenkemper, PhD, LPC, is a group practice consultant, owner, and speaker who helps owners and leadership build thriving teams and cultures (without losing their minds in the process). Known for blending humor with actionable insights, Tara leverages her own experience running a successful mid-size group practice to help other leaders tackle hiring challenges, streamline their systems using EOS, and create workplaces people genuinely love. When she’s not podcasting about practice ownership or facilitating masterminds, you’ll find her traveling the country in an RV, homeschooling her kids, and dreaming of one day planting a chestnut orchard and getting back into homesteading.
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Marissa Wells | Private Practice Meets Caregiving | TPOT 391
07/21/2025
Marissa Wells | Private Practice Meets Caregiving | TPOT 391
Ever feel like you're stuck between a full caseload and a full calendar of doctor’s appointments - for your parents? You're not alone. In this episode of The Practice of Therapy Podcast, Marissa Wells joins Gordon to talk about what it really looks like to juggle private practice while caring for aging family members. She’s not here to preach “perfect balance”—because let’s face it, that doesn’t exist. Instead, Marissa shares her wisdom on finding harmony, navigating proactive grief, setting real boundaries, and reconnecting with joy in the midst of it all. Whether you’re a therapist, a caregiver, or somewhere in between, this conversation will speak to your soul—and give you practical ways to stay grounded while showing up for the people who need you most. 💬 Get ready to feel seen, understood, and maybe even a little inspired. Hit play now! Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Marissa Wells Marissa Wells is a Licensed Professional Counselor in Arkansas and an aging family educator who’s all about helping families make sense of the tough stuff that comes with aging—without losing their minds or their connection to each other. She’s passionate about bringing hope and clarity to those tricky moments when adult kids and grandkids are trying to figure out how to care for aging loved ones. On top of that, she’s a licensed supervisor who loves helping new therapists find their footing, discover who they’re meant to serve, and build a self-pay private practice that actually works for their life.
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Andrea Rotondo | Private Practice Finances Don’t Have to Suck | TPOT 390
07/14/2025
Andrea Rotondo | Private Practice Finances Don’t Have to Suck | TPOT 390
Ever feel like you're crushing it in session but completely lost when it comes to your practice’s finances? You’re not alone—and you're definitely not broken. In this episode of The Practice of Therapy, Andrea Rotondo is here to pull back the curtain on the real reason so many therapists avoid their numbers (spoiler: it’s not laziness), and how to stop letting fear and overwhelm run the show. If QuickBooks makes you want to cry, if you’ve ever Googled “what is a P&L?” at midnight, or if you just want to feel a little more confident talking to your accountant, this conversation is for you. Andrea’s down-to-earth, practical, and totally non-judgy approach will help you stop avoiding and start owning your role as the CEO of your practice, without needing a finance degree or a personality transplant. Trust us: this is the pep talk your bank account has been waiting for. 5 Things You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why avoiding your numbers only makes them scarier How to start small and build financial confidence over time The must-have systems for solo and group practices How to make your financial tools actually work for you Why understanding your P&L is key to planning your life, not just your taxes Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Andrea Rotondo I founded Liquid Cents Bookkeeping to help therapy practice owners simplify their financial systems and rebuild QuickBooks, so cash flow finally makes sense. With a background in psychology, military life, and being an immigrant, I understand the challenges of stepping into business ownership. My passion is helping therapists like you build financial clarity and stability—so you can focus on your clients, knowing your practice’s finances support your goals.
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Dr. Marie Fang | What’s Really Burning You Out in Private Practice? | TPOT 389
07/07/2025
Dr. Marie Fang | What’s Really Burning You Out in Private Practice? | TPOT 389
Ever find yourself staring at the ceiling at 8 PM wondering, “Was that the right intervention?” Or maybe you’re drowning in admin work, questioning if private practice is really the freedom-filled dream everyone said it would be? In this episode, Gordon sits down with Marie from Private Practice Skills—a therapist, creator, and all-around wise human who gets the real behind-the-scenes of therapy life. We’re diving into the kind of conversations we need to be having: therapist burnout (the sneaky kind), invisible work hours, how outsourcing might save your sanity, and why you don’t have to build your practice like everyone else. If you’ve ever thought, “Wait… am I doing this right?”—this episode is for you. Marie brings warmth, wisdom, and just the right amount of real talk to help you reconnect with your why and reimagine a practice that actually fits your life. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Dr. Marie Fang Dr. Marie Fang is a licensed psychologist in private practice in San Diego, California. Her therapy practice focuses on working with folks often marginalized by their faith community, with an emphasis on supporting the LGBTQ+ community. She is the creator of Private Practice Skills, a platform teaching therapists how to start and grow a sustainable private practice that aligns with their values while drawing in their favorite clients to work with.
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Gary Katz | Build a Group Practice on Connection, Not Chaos | TPOT 388
06/30/2025
Gary Katz | Build a Group Practice on Connection, Not Chaos | TPOT 388
🎧 Ready to Grow Your Practice Without Losing Your Soul? This Episode’s for You. In this episode, Gordon sits down with Gary Katz—psychotherapist, group practice owner, and intimacy expert—who’s scaling his business across state lines without sacrificing connection, clinical quality, or his sanity. Gary opens up about what it really takes to grow a group practice that feels good, not just on paper, but in your body, your calendar, and your team culture. From building tight-knit pods of therapists to letting go of perfection and people-pleasing, this conversation is packed with honest insights and refreshingly human advice. You’ll learn: Why “zero to one” is the scariest (and most emotional) business step How Gary structures growth without becoming a therapy mill What it looks like to say no with love—and lead with your values Whether you're just thinking about hiring or deep in the weeds of leading a team, this episode is your permission slip to do it differently—and do it with heart. Press play and let’s go. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Gary Katz Gary Katz is a psychotherapist and founder of The Center for Intimacy Recovery in New York, focusing on intimacy and relationships. He believes self-intimacy is essential for genuine connection with others. Many develop protective strategies for their hearts that later hinder the intimacy they seek. The Center helps clients overcome these barriers and build deeper connections. To address healthy sexuality and issues like compulsive behaviors and betrayal trauma, Gary studied at the Modern Sex Therapy Institute, joined the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists, and became a Certified Sex Addiction and Partner Trauma Therapist through the International Institute of Trauma and Addiction Professionals. He has also trained in Sensorimotor Psychotherapy, Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP), and EMDR to address trauma stored in the body. Before his current practice, Gary spent over 20 years as a rabbi.
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Edy Nathan | Supporting Clients Through Complex Grief in Private Practice | TPOT 387
06/23/2025
Edy Nathan | Supporting Clients Through Complex Grief in Private Practice | TPOT 387
Let’s talk about grief. (I know—what a fun little opener, right?) But hang in there, because Edy Nathan doesn’t talk about grief the way most people do. There’s no clinical detachment or textbook jargon here. Edy speaks from the kind of deep, personal knowing that only comes from living it. She lost her partner at 27—a heartbreak that didn’t just shatter her world, but reshaped it completely. Instead of stuffing it down or soldiering through, Edy got curious. She studied grief, sat with it, wrote about it, and eventually made it her life’s work. Today, she helps others see grief not as a shadow to avoid, but as a complex, uninvited dance partner we all have to learn to move with. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Edy Nathan's Resources Edy Nathan, MA, LCSWR, is an author, public speaker, and licensed therapist. She is an AASECT-certified sex therapist, hypnotherapist, and certified EMDR practitioner with more than 20 years of experience. Edy earned degrees from New York University and Fordham University, with post-graduate training at the Ackerman Institute for Family Therapy. She practices in New York City. In her expertise as a grief therapist, she interweaves her formal training as a psychotherapist with breathwork, guided imagery, ritual, and storytelling. Trauma, abuse, and grief cause the soul to become imbalanced: The goal of the work is to find emotional calibration or balance to defy the depth of darkness and the grip grief often has on the psyche. She believes that everyone experiences grief throughout their lives. Grief is not just about the death of a loved one, but the losses we experience in life. Grief is hard to talk about. Edy teaches you to dance with your grief, to know it as a way to know yourself. Whether it is the loss of a loved one, the loss of a limb, or the loss of the life you once knew, it is your soul that offers the answers to relief. An essential element in her practice is to offer clients the chance to combine psychotherapy with a deeper, more spiritual understanding of the self. She is dedicated to helping people understand their grief, cope with the fear and struggle that hold them back, and learn to live fully.
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Kerry Thomas | Mood, Food, and Medicine in Private Practice | TPOT 386
06/16/2025
Kerry Thomas | Mood, Food, and Medicine in Private Practice | TPOT 386
What if your private practice could be a place where people stop trying to fix themselves—and start actually feeling what’s going on inside? In this powerful episode, Kerry Thomas pulls back the curtain on her 25-year journey in mental health, sharing how a personal wake-up call challenged everything she thought she knew about therapy, medication, and what it really means to heal. We talk about the connection between nutrition and mood, why numbing emotions isn’t the answer, and how private practice therapists can stop pathologizing normal human experiences. This one’s honest, eye-opening, and a little bit rebellious—in the best way. Let’s get into it. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Kerry Thomas Kerry Thomas is a holistically based Licensed Professional Counselor with over 20 years of counseling experience in many different settings and with diverse populations. In addition to the traditional approaches often used in cognitive behavioral therapy, Kerry will incorporate tools, practices, and strategies encompassing the totality of the person she is working with that are extremely powerful and often overlooked. After 20 years of work in this arena, it is difficult to imagine an issue that has not crossed her threshold. In your session with Kerry, you will be met with profound kindness and a deep understanding of what it is like to be human. Kerry is the mother of two grown, adult children who are her best friends. In her spare time, she enjoys hiking, exploring the countryside on her motorcycle, growing her own food, and laughing at herself. She most enjoys empowering her clients to take brave steps towards living their most authentic lives.
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Julie Herres | Private Practice Tax Changes Ahead | TPOT 385
06/09/2025
Julie Herres | Private Practice Tax Changes Ahead | TPOT 385
Let’s be honest: when someone says “Let’s talk tax law,” most of us want to fake a Wi-Fi outage and run for cover. But when Julie Herres joins The Practice of Therapy Podcast, you actually want to lean in. Somehow, she manages to make the ever-shifting sands of tax policy sound (dare we say it?) friendly — like a conversation over coffee with a really smart friend who also color-codes her spreadsheets. So, what’s happening with taxes in 2025? Buckle up, practice owners, because there’s a whole lot of “maybe” in the air. But Julie’s here to help us wade through the uncertainty without losing our minds — or our deductions. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Julie Herres Julie Herres is on a mission to inspire every private practice to be profitable. Over the last several years, that dream has become reality as Julie and her team have helped hundreds of private practice owners take their profit first and gain financial freedom. As the owner of GreenOak Accounting, Julie leads her firm with this goal in mind, providing tax, accounting and Profit First consulting services to private practices across the United States. Julie is also a Certified Profit First Professional, an IRS Enrolled Agent, a speaker and the host of the Therapy For Your Money podcast.
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Dori Lewis | Should you Consider Integrating Psychedelics into Trauma Work in Private Practice? | TPOT 384
06/02/2025
Dori Lewis | Should you Consider Integrating Psychedelics into Trauma Work in Private Practice? | TPOT 384
What if the path to healing trauma isn’t just through talk therapy, but through carefully guided psychedelic experiences? In this episode of The Practice of Therapy Podcast, I sit down with Dori, an experienced therapist and psychedelic facilitator, who shares her deeply informed perspective on the nuanced, responsible, and transformational use of medicines like ketamine, MDMA, and psilocybin mushrooms. Dori doesn’t just follow trends—she’s been on the frontlines, participating in research, working underground before legalization, and now helping clients access inner healing intelligence in a grounded, therapeutic way. If you're curious about how psychedelics actually fit into trauma work, when they're appropriate, and why they’re not a one-size-fits-all miracle, this conversation will challenge your thinking and expand your clinical toolkit. Tune in to discover how seasoned therapists like Dori are bridging science, soul, and therapy to help clients heal in ways traditional methods sometimes can’t reach. Are you ready to explore the real story behind the hype? Let’s dive in. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Dori Lewis Dori Lewis, MA, MEd, LPC-S, is a co-founder of Elemental Psychedelics and the owner-operator of Reflective Healing in Fort Collins, CO—a psychotherapy group practice that specializes in psychedelic therapy using ketamine, integration therapy, transpersonal psychotherapy, and clinical supervision. With over a decade of clinical experience, Dori blends transpersonal psychology, depth work, and psychedelic-assisted therapy within a model that centers the therapeutic relationship. To date, she has stewarded nearly 100 ketamine therapy sessions and countless more individual and group ceremonies. She has also been trained and mentored in shamanic ritual, which has helped her bridge traditional counseling practice with transpersonal and existential realms—spaces that can hold incredible meaning and connection for clients. As an educator and trainer, Dori has delivered numerous talks to the professional psychedelic community through the Nowak Society and other guest lectures. In 2022, she spoke on the importance of psychedelic facilitator ethics through the lens of existential shadow work as a main stage speaker at the Emergence Festival. She co-teaches introductory psychedelic therapy workshops and served as a core lead faculty member with the Psychedelic Research and Training Institute (PRATI) from 2020 to 2023, where she specialized in training new and experienced clinicians on topics like set and setting, ethical ceremony, cultural appropriation in spiritual practices, and ritual in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy. As interest in psychedelic medicine grows, Dori believes it is the responsibility of those with a voice in professional and psychedelic communities to stay informed—and to intercept and challenge disinformation and questionable ethical practices emerging in the public arena.
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Tamar Blue | Creating a Safer Space for Peer Support and Digital Therapy | TPOT 383
05/26/2025
Tamar Blue | Creating a Safer Space for Peer Support and Digital Therapy | TPOT 383
Are you ready to discover a powerful new way to support your clients—and yourself? In this episode of The Practice of Therapy Podcast, Gordon sits down with Tamar Blue, founder of , a revolutionary platform that empowers therapists, coaches, and mental health advocates to create secure, community-driven support groups online. Whether you're a provider looking to scale your services or someone seeking a safe space to heal and connect, this conversation is packed with insight, innovation, and heart. Don’t miss this inspiring story of how one woman turned a passion for peer support into a movement that’s changing lives. Resources Mentioned In This Episode About MentalHappy began in 2016 as a small support group on a social media site, where the team quickly recognized the limitations of using platforms not designed for group support—such as inadequate tools, privacy concerns, and a lack of structure. Comprised of mental health providers, advocates, and facilitators, the founding team experienced these challenges firsthand and set out to create a better solution. The result was MentalHappy: a purpose-built platform designed to simplify group management, enhance engagement, and expand access to emotional support. Rooted in the belief that community care is health care, MentalHappy empowers individuals and organizations to create and manage support groups more effectively. Today, the platform hosts thousands of active groups dedicated to emotional well-being. Through fostering connection, reducing barriers to care, and supporting mental health on a global scale, MentalHappy is redefining how people find strength in community.
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Steve Bisson | Let the Work Find You: Niching with First Responders Through Podcasting | TPOT 382
05/19/2025
Steve Bisson | Let the Work Find You: Niching with First Responders Through Podcasting | TPOT 382
What Happens When the Work Finds You? Steve Bisson didn’t plan to become a go-to therapist for first responders—but sometimes, purpose arrives without a roadmap. In this episode, Steve shares how a chance encounter on a crisis team back in 1999 set off a chain of events that led to a passionate, purpose-filled career. From riding along in police cruisers to launching a podcast that speaks directly to the hearts of firefighters, paramedics, and law enforcement officers, Steve’s story is a powerful reminder that when you say yes to the work that moves you, incredible things happen. Whether you're in private practice, thinking about your niche, or simply curious about the mental health needs of first responders, this episode offers insight, heart, and a deep respect for those who serve on the front lines. Tune in to hear how podcasting, trust, and showing up—again and again—can transform a practice, a community, and a life. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Steve Bisson Steve Bisson has helped a myriad of individuals navigate the complex terrain of mental health. With certifications in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) since 2015, he has developed an expertise in addressing trauma and offering effective talk therapy. Given Steve's extensive background working in high-pressure environments—jails, houses of corrections, parole, and probation departments, courts, and alongside first responders—he has built an affinity for helping those who work within these challenging fields. Steve stands firmly behind his guiding motto: "Honest, Real, Change." This extends to every aspect of his practice, be it counseling, coaching, his enlightening books or thought-provoking podcast episodes that he began in 2021. His therapeutic approach prioritizes recognizing and addressing immediate issues while unpacking the histories that shape such behaviors.
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Jeremy Zug | Private Pay, Insurance, or Hybrid? Decide For Your Private Practice | TPOT 381
05/12/2025
Jeremy Zug | Private Pay, Insurance, or Hybrid? Decide For Your Private Practice | TPOT 381
What if the two most important questions in your practice— 'Is this financially viable?' and 'Am I doing the work I love?' — didn’t have to compete? In this eye-opening episode, Jeremy dives deep into the strategic crossroads every private practice owner faces, especially when considering whether to take insurance, stay private pay, or explore a hybrid model. He breaks down the real numbers, state-by-state reimbursement differences, and the often-overlooked red flags in insurance relationships—like sneaky non-quantitative treatment limitations and the true cost of claim denials. You’ll learn why Medicare Advantage's recent rate hike isn’t as rosy as it seems, how chargebacks can be your secret diagnostic tool, and when it’s time to DIY, outsource, or insource your billing. And perhaps most importantly, Jeremy challenges you to think bigger: to step into your role as CEO, shift your money mindset, and design a practice that serves both your clients and your bottom line. If you're weighing your next move in practice management, this episode is your roadmap. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Jeremy Zug Jeremy Zug has over a decade of experience in the healthcare industry. Jeremy is known for his expertise in insurance billing, and frequently writes and speaks on topics that support mental health professionals in achieving financial health and operational excellence. He co-founded Practice Solutions with his wife Kathryn in 2017, relying on their combined knowledge from private practices they had worked at while in college. Practice Solutions is an expanded medical billing company offering billing services, professional services, and educational resources to thousands of mental and behavioral healthcare providers for optimal revenue cycle management. Our insurance billing services are available at 15% off for the first three billing months. Sign up at
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James Marland | Stop Trading Hours for Income: Scalable Growth in Private Practice | TPOT 380
05/05/2025
James Marland | Stop Trading Hours for Income: Scalable Growth in Private Practice | TPOT 380
Are you tired of the “time for dollars” trap—where every vacation, sick day, or even slow week hits your bottom line? In this episode, James Marland gets real about the burnout that comes from trading hours for income and why the solution isn’t just slapping together an online course. He dives into what it really takes to build something scalable and sustainable—without losing yourself or your sanity in the process. Whether you’ve toyed with the idea of creating a course or you’re just craving more freedom in your practice, this conversation is a must-listen. It's honest, encouraging, and packed with insights that’ll challenge the way you think about growth, impact, and showing up as your true self. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet James Marland James Marland is the founder of Course Creation Studio, where he helps mission-driven therapists and coaches turn their knowledge into impactful online courses. After a life-changing job loss, James leaned into his faith and found a new calling—helping others step into their purpose and expand their reach through education. His work focuses on guiding clients from idea to launch using a simple, proven framework: Develop, Deploy, Deepen.
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Dr. Robyn Miller | Preparing For The Worst: Professional Wills in Private Practice | TPOT 379
04/28/2025
Dr. Robyn Miller | Preparing For The Worst: Professional Wills in Private Practice | TPOT 379
What happens to our clients when we’re suddenly not there to care for them? In this powerful and eye-opening episode, Dr. Robyn Miller dives into the difficult but essential topic most therapists avoid: what happens when a therapist dies or becomes incapacitated. With compassion, clarity, and deep professional insight, Dr. Miller reveals the ethical, legal, and emotional chaos that can follow when we don’t have a solid closure plan in place—and how TheraClosure offers a dignified, comprehensive solution. If you’re a mental health professional who’s ever told yourself, “I’ll figure that out later,” this conversation is your wake-up call. It’s not morbid. It’s responsible. And it might be the most important step you take to protect your clients, your legacy, and your loved ones. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Dr. Robyn Miller Robyn Miller, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist practicing in Maryland since 2002, and she is the founder of TheraClosure, LLC, the first psychotherapist professional executor service. Dr. Miller trained at the Massachusetts Mental Health Center/Harvard Medical School and at the Harvard University Counseling Center. She earned a Ph.D. from the University of Rochester and a B.A. from Tufts University. Her psychotherapy interests include menopause transitions, eating and mood disorders, and trauma. Dr. Miller writes and trains clinicians on professional wills and the role of the practice executor. (use code GORDON)
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Natalie Moore | How to Rank on Google: The Private Practice Guide to Keyword Research | TPOT 378
04/21/2025
Natalie Moore | How to Rank on Google: The Private Practice Guide to Keyword Research | TPOT 378
If you’ve ever poured your heart into writing a blog post only to hear crickets, this episode of the Practice of Therapy Podcast is for you. Natalie Moore breaks down exactly why keyword research is the non-negotiable first step to getting found online—and she does it with a dartboard metaphor you won’t forget. From picking the right phrases (think “EMDR therapist LA” instead of “trauma therapist California”) to building backlinks that actually move the needle, Natalie shares the exact strategies therapists need to compete online—without trying to beat Psychology Today at their own game. Tune in to learn how to create content Google wants to rank. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Natalie Moore Natalie is a licensed therapist, speaker, and consultant based in Los Angeles, CA, with over a decade of clinical experience. She runs a successful private practice called Space for Growth Therapy and Coaching, where she sees therapy clients and consults therapists in building their own practices. Natalie has spoken at conferences such as South by Southwest and The Yoga Expo on topics including mental health and holistic wellness. She is regularly featured in Huffington Post and other major media outlets for her expertise on people-pleasing, psychology, and relationships.
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Jordanne Sculler | Why Every Therapist Needs Therapy: The Key to a Stronger Private Practice | TPOT 377
04/14/2025
Jordanne Sculler | Why Every Therapist Needs Therapy: The Key to a Stronger Private Practice | TPOT 377
Tune into this episode to explore why therapists must do their own self-work to be truly effective. Jordanne shares why personal growth isn’t optional—it’s essential for providing ethical, insightful, and compassionate care. She discusses how ongoing self-reflection helps therapists navigate complex client dynamics, avoid burnout, and foster deeper therapeutic relationships. Using the powerful analogy, "Would you take a cooking lesson from someone who doesn’t cook?" she emphasizes the importance of therapists engaging in their own healing and development. Whether you're a therapist or someone curious about the inner work of mental health professionals, this episode offers valuable insights into the transformative power of self-awareness. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Jordanne Sculler Jordanne Sculler is a New York State Licensed Mental Health Counselor and psychotherapist with a Master’s degree in Mental Health Counseling Psychology from New York University Steinhardt. She brings a holistic approach to therapy, working with adults, couples, and adolescents to develop collaborative and personalized treatment plans tailored to their unique needs and goals. With a deep commitment to her work, Jordanne views psychotherapy as a relational learning experience—one that fosters emotional and behavioral growth while strengthening the therapeutic bond. She is dedicated to helping clients build long-term coping skills, recognize their resilience, and work toward meaningful change. Her extensive clinical training encompasses psychodynamic therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), and relational work. By integrating these modalities, she provides a dynamic and personalized therapeutic experience. Known for her “tough” yet supportive approach, Jordanne is unafraid to challenge her clients, encouraging them to embrace discomfort as a path to growth within a warm and secure environment. Jordanne’s passion lies in working with individuals and couples navigating life transitions, relationships, trauma, anxiety, and disordered eating. Through her compassionate and direct style, she empowers her clients to achieve their therapeutic goals and create lasting change.
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Whitney Owens | Retaining Therapists in Your Group Practice for Long-Term Success | TPOT 376
04/07/2025
Whitney Owens | Retaining Therapists in Your Group Practice for Long-Term Success | TPOT 376
In this episode of The Practice of Therapy Podcast, host Gordon Brewer welcomes Whitney Owens, a seasoned group practice owner and consultant, to discuss the critical issue of therapist retention. Whitney shares her insights on why losing a therapist can be costly—not just financially, but in terms of client care, team morale, and overall practice stability. She breaks down practical strategies to create a supportive work environment, improve hiring and onboarding processes, and foster long-term commitment among therapists. Whether you're struggling with turnover or looking to build a thriving team, this episode is packed with actionable advice you won’t want to miss! Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Whitney Owens Whitney Owens is the owner of Water’s Edge Counseling, a thriving group practice in Savannah, Georgia. When she’s not leading her practice, she enjoys coaching, running, or sipping coffee while reading a good book. She is married to a pastor and is the proud mother of two daughters. Having navigated the challenges of balancing work and family, she continues to learn and grow in both areas. A graduate of Richmont Graduate University, Whitney received specialized training in both professional counseling and faith integration. Her career spans various clinical settings, including residential treatment, hospital work, and the successful launch of multiple private practices. Today, Whitney has created a fulfilling lifestyle, working four days a week, picking up her children from school, and running a profitable business. She has found a way to do the work she loves, live out her faith, and enjoy the journey along the way.
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Christy Pennison & Steph Korpal | Cultivating Joy and Intentionality in Private Practice | TPOT 375
03/31/2025
Christy Pennison & Steph Korpal | Cultivating Joy and Intentionality in Private Practice | TPOT 375
In the fast-paced world of private practice, it’s easy to get caught up in the daily grind—managing clients, handling business operations, and juggling personal life—while neglecting the very thing that can lead to lasting success and fulfillment: reflection. But what if you had a simple, structured way to pause, recalibrate, and infuse joy into your practice? Enter the Five R’s of Reflection—a framework designed by Christy Pennison and Steph Korpal to help practice owners thrive with intention. In this episode, we’re diving deep into Rhythm, Ritual, Relationship, Realignment, and Resolve—five powerful principles that can transform the way you approach your business and your well-being. Get ready to rediscover your purpose, reignite your passion, and reclaim the joy in your practice! Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Christy Pennison Christy Pennison is a board-certified counselor, the founder of Be Inspired Counseling & Consulting, a multi-location group therapy practice, and host of the Inspiring Possible Podcast. She is highly respected in the field of mental health and has helped numerous leaders and professionals through consulting. She has received recognition for her efforts in advocating for mental health, including being named a 2024 Remarkable Woman of CENLA and the Louisiana Mental Health Counselor of the Year in 2022. Her expertise has been featured in media outlets such as NBC and Today. Christy is passionate about empowering mental health professionals to grow and thrive. Outside of work, she enjoys being a mother, spending time with loved ones, playing with her rescue animals, and kayaking. Christy is a 7 on the Enneagram. This means when she is taking leaps off a cliff, Steph is pointing out the sharp rocks at the bottom to keep her friend safe. During your collab experience, she will be responsible for keeping the energy going and ideas flowing to help you move your practice forward. Meet Steph Korpal In 2018, Steph left the nonprofit sector, where she had worked with homeless and runaway youth and families in crisis for 7 years. She started her own private practice, Marble Wellness, in St. Louis, MO, primarily focusing on maternal mental health, and at the end of 2020, expanded to a group practice with the aim of being “a one-stop therapy shop for the whole family.” In 2021, Steph moved to Chicago and transitioned from being a remote boss to an in-person team. She is slowly but surely expanding her practice to build out a team and services in Chicago. She has expanded her specialties to include burned-out professionals and still has a special spot for working with moms. She loves promoting therapy as both a normal and integral part of living a thriving life, which every individual deserves and has the opportunity to experience. Steph maintains a life in Chicago as a social butterfly. She loves exploring new restaurants; is an avid reader; and tries to keep her plants alive. Anytime she needs a burst of spontaneity, or to pull her thoughts out of the weeds, she gives her pal Christy a call and feels balance again. Steph is a 1 on the Enneagram. Which means when she is getting lost in the fine details of making all the things work, Christy is encouraging her to see the big picture. During your collab experience, she will be responsible for making sure you get your task list done, helping your time with us be the best it can possibly be and ensuring you get the outcome you came for.
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Jessica Harris | Google vs. Social Media: Where Should Therapists Focus? | TPOT 374
03/24/2025
Jessica Harris | Google vs. Social Media: Where Should Therapists Focus? | TPOT 374
Many therapists pour hours into social media posts, cold outreach, and networking, hoping to attract new clients. But what if there was a more direct path to getting found? In this episode, Jessica shares how she ditched the endless content grind and unlocked the true power of Google. By optimizing her website and Google Business Profile, she became the first choice for clients searching for therapists in her area—without spending a dime on ads or social media trends. From SEO strategies that actually work to creating a website that converts visitors into paying clients, Jessica breaks down the essential steps to ensuring potential clients find you—not the therapist down the street. If you’re tired of chasing clients and ready to let them come to you, this episode is your roadmap. Tune in now and take control of your online presence! Resources Mentioned In This Episode Website Design Packages from Meet Jessica Harris Jessica Harris is an LCSW and business coach for therapists growing a private pay practice. After building a thriving private pay group practice—where she hired six therapists and consistently attracted 5-10 full-fee clients weekly—Jessica sold her therapy practice to focus solely on empowering other therapists to get cash pay clients. She now dedicates herself to coaching therapists through her 12-week program, designed to help therapists simplify marketing and fill their caseload with cash pay clients. Jessica is on a mission to help therapists everywhere create financial abundance and achieve their dream lives while making a meaningful impact in the world.
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Dr. Brook Choulet | Marketing, Niching, and Branding—The Private Practice Essentials | TPOT 373
03/17/2025
Dr. Brook Choulet | Marketing, Niching, and Branding—The Private Practice Essentials | TPOT 373
Many therapists and psychiatrists dream of running their own private practice—setting their own hours, choosing their clients, and working independently. But what happens when the reality doesn’t match the dream? In this episode, Dr. Choulet pulls back the curtain on what it really takes to run a successful private practice—especially one that operates on a cash-pay model. Spoiler alert: It’s not just about being a great clinician. If you’re not passionate about networking, marketing, and building your brand, you may struggle to make it work. Dr. Choulet shares why niching down is a game-changer, how branding can make or break your success, and why investing in your visibility is just as important as your clinical skills. She’s built a thriving practice that serves high-profile clients, from professional athletes to business executives, and she’s here to share her biggest lessons—so you can decide if private practice is the right move for you. If you’ve ever wondered why some private practices thrive while others barely survive, this episode is for you. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Website Design Packages from Meet Dr. Brook Choulet Dr. Brook Choulet, M.D., The Performance Psychiatrist™, is the founder and CEO of the Choulet Performance Psychiatry®, President of the Maricopa County Medical Society Foundation, and President of the American Board of Sports and Performance Psychiatry, of which she is one of the seven founding members. With a focus on concierge Performance Psychiatry®, Dr. Choulet guides professionals, athletes, and their families towards unparalleled mental health and performance optimization by offering bespoke mental health care services for both adolescent and adult patients. She holds a Certificate of Additional Training in Sports Psychiatry from the International Society for Sports Psychiatry (ISSP) and is a preferred provider on the NBPA, NFLPA, USSF, USOPC, and MLBPA's Mental Health Directories. Dr. Choulet's expertise has been pivotal in shaping mental resilience in sports at its highest level, and she worked for two seasons as a Consulting Team Psychiatrist for the NBA Phoenix Suns and WNBA Phoenix Mercury. Dr. Choulet is a regular contributor to Forbes SportsMoney and is a Forbes Health Advisory Board member who reviews and consults on Forbes Health articles. She also contributes her expertise to the American Psychiatric Association's publications and Psychology Today's Sports & Performance Psychiatry column. She also provides expert advice each month to local Arizona publications, including Paradise Valley City Lifestyle Magazine, Stroll Biltmore, Stroll Desert Mountain, and Stroll Paradise Valley, as part of her commitment to cultivating the mental health and well-being of her local community.
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Krista St-Germain | What Private Practice Clinicians Should Understand About Grief | TPOT 372
03/10/2025
Krista St-Germain | What Private Practice Clinicians Should Understand About Grief | TPOT 372
Grief isn’t just about five stages—it’s messy, personal, and ever-evolving. If you’ve ever felt like you weren’t “grieving the right way” or struggled to make sense of your emotions after loss, this episode is for you. Krista St-Germain joins us to break down the myths about grief and explore what truly helps us heal. From the Dual Process Model to Continuing Bonds, we’re diving deep into the realities of loss, why “moving on” is a harmful misconception, and how we can integrate grief into our lives in meaningful ways. Tune in for a powerful conversation that will change the way you think about grief—and, more importantly, how you support yourself and others through it. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Krista St-Germain Krista St-Germain is a Master Certified Life Coach, grief expert, widow, mom and host of The Widowed Mom Podcast. When her husband was killed by a drunk driver in 2016, Krista's life was completely and unexpectedly flipped upside down. After therapy helped her unfurl from the fetal position, Krista discovered Life Coaching, Post Traumatic Growth and learned the tools she needed to move forward and create a future she could get excited about. Now she coaches and teaches other widows so they can love life again, too. Krista's Resources
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Justin Ahn | Branding Mistakes That Could Be Hurting Your Private Practice | TPOT 371
03/03/2025
Justin Ahn | Branding Mistakes That Could Be Hurting Your Private Practice | TPOT 371
What if your brand could do more than just look good—what if it could tell a story, attract your ideal clients, and truly reflect your values? That’s exactly what Justin set out to do when he left the corporate world to launch Inflow, a branding agency dedicated to helping private practices create meaningful and impactful brand identities. From designing album covers in Detroit’s music scene to stepping onto the stage at the APA conference in Seattle, Justin’s journey is one of creativity, risk-taking, and transformation. In this episode, he shares why branding isn’t just about logos and websites—it’s about connection, trust, and the power of a cohesive identity. Tune in as Justin reveals common branding mistakes practice owners make, how to craft a website that actually converts, and why the right name can make all the difference in your visibility. Whether you're just starting your practice or looking to refresh your brand, this conversation will change the way you think about marketing your services. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Inflow's Resources About Justin Ahn Inflow was founded by Justin Ahn, a Creative Director inspired by his wife, a clinical psychologist. As he helped her develop client-friendly resources, Justin saw the need for exceptional design in healthcare. Inflow provides top-tier design services, ensuring every healthcare practice has a visual identity that reflects its expertise and communicates compassionate care. About Inflow Inflow Healthcare Designs specializes in crafting brilliant, tailored branding, websites, and graphics exclusively for healthcare practices, becoming your trusted partner in long-term success. More than creating visuals, they shape trust and confidence—transforming your vision into a brand that feels inviting, professional, and authentically you. With client-focused designs that inspire trust, foster meaningful connections, and drive practice growth, every detail tells your story. From compelling logos to seamless websites, they'll help your practice stand out, attract patients, and grow with purpose.
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Kelley Stevens | Creating Sustainable Income in Private Practice | TPOT 370
02/24/2025
Kelley Stevens | Creating Sustainable Income in Private Practice | TPOT 370
Kelley dives deep into the growing trend of therapists exploring multiple income streams. While many dream of creating passive income, Kelley shares a powerful insight: there’s no such thing as truly passive income. She unpacks the reality of building diverse revenue sources, from group practices to online courses, workshops, and retreats. But before diving into digital products, Kelley stresses the importance of first building an engaged audience. She explains how to test ideas, create value with free content, and develop products that truly meet the needs of your community. If you’re a therapist looking to scale and diversify, this episode is packed with actionable tips and strategies you won’t want to miss! Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Kelley Stevens Kelley Stevens is passionate about empowering therapists with the tools they need to start private practices. Based in Santa Barbara, CA, Kelley is an LMFT with over a decade of experience in both mental health and business development. She began her career as the marketing director for a large outpatient program in Los Angeles, where she played a pivotal role in its growth before launching her own successful six-figure private practice. After five years, she relocated and established two more thriving practices in new cities. Additionally, Kelley serves as an adjunct professor at Pepperdine University and Antioch University. When she's not working, she enjoys spending quality time with her toddler and husband.
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Deborah Richelieu | Building a Thriving Couples Therapy Private Practice | TPOT 369
02/17/2025
Deborah Richelieu | Building a Thriving Couples Therapy Private Practice | TPOT 369
When it comes to relationships, connection is everything. For Deborah Richelieu, this truth has shaped both her personal and professional life. As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT), she has dedicated her career to helping couples navigate the complexities of relationships, communication, and emotional intimacy. Recently, Deborah sat down with Gordon Brewer on the Practice of Therapy podcast to share her journey, insights on couples therapy, and the importance of community in times of grief. Resources Mentioned In This Episode Meet Deborah Richelieu Deborah Richelieu is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in Florida, specializing in helping couples strengthen their relationships. Whether facing communication challenges or navigating conflicts, she provides guidance, particularly for those seeking a Christian perspective in therapy. She holds a Bachelor’s in Psychology from Southeastern University and a Master’s in Marriage and Family Therapy from Nova Southeastern University. With extensive experience in premarital counseling, couples counseling, and fostering emotional connection after emotional injury, she is dedicated to supporting couples in overcoming relational difficulties. Deborah is certified in Level 1 and Level 2 Gottman Couples Therapy, utilizing evidence-based techniques to enhance relationships. She is also a member of Focus on the Family’s Christian Counselor’s Network and is listed on Psychology Today and Therapy For Black Girls.
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