Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity
Everyday Conversations on Race
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Everyday Conversations on Race
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Everyday Conversations on Race
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info_outlineIn this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, is joined by two incredible global Diversity, Equity and Inclusion experts: Michaël Stuber, the European DEI Engineer, and Nene Molefi, founder of Mandate Molefi HR Consultants in South Africa. While the focus of this episode is on the global Diversity, Equity and Inclusion landscape, it’s also a deeply personal conversation about their journeys, the challenges they’ve faced, and how their backgrounds have shaped their approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion.
As we explore how Diversity, Equity and Inclusion initiatives differ across countries, Michaël and Nene share their unique personal experiences—from Michaël’s upbringing in a family where cultural diversity was the norm, to Nene’s harrowing memories of growing up in the midst of apartheid in South Africa. These personal stories are woven into the conversation, bringing a human element to the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion discussion that goes beyond theories and strategies.
Detailed Time Stamps:
- [00:00] Introduction to Simma and the guests
- [04:30] Michael Stuber shares how his diverse upbringing shaped his perspective on DEI
- [07:00] Nene talks about growing up during apartheid in South Africa and the 1976 uprisings
- [12:00] The impact of apartheid on Nene’s personal and professional journey
- [16:00] Michaël’s early experiences with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion work and the importance of a European context
- [21:45] The role of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in shaping Michaël’s understanding of DEI
- [26:30] Nene discusses her experience in developing South Africa’s Employment Equity Act and its legacy
- [32:15] Challenges and growth in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion work across South Africa and Europe
- [37:00] Michaël reflects on the global DEI landscape and adapting U.S.-based DEI concepts for Europe
- [42:00] The importance of systemic change in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion: addressing structures, not just attitudes
- [47:15] Current challenges in DEI: nationalistic movements and the regression of progress
- [52:30] The personal impact of the global political climate on DEI work
- [57:00] Nene and Michaël discuss the shifting attitudes towards Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and the need for integrity and truth-telling
- [01:02:30] Closing remarks: The importance of global perspectives in DEI and continuing the conversation
This isn’t just about Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion; it’s about understanding the deep-rooted histories that influence how we work, relate, and view one another today. Michaël and Nene’s personal stories and shared wisdom will help you see Diversity, Equity and Inclusion not just as a corporate or political issue, but a human one.
Key Takeaways:
- Diversity, Equity and Inclusion is about more than just policies—it’s about understanding personal and cultural histories that shape our worldviews.
- Real change in DEI requires confronting deep-rooted systems of oppression, as demonstrated by Nene’s experience in apartheid and Michaël’s work in Europe.
- Effective DEI strategies must be rooted in listening, respect, and understanding of the complex histories that shape people’s lives.
Guest Information:
Michaël Stuber – Described as “Germany’s diversity pioneer” (ManagerMagazin), Michael Stuber is known for his evidence-based, internationally experienced and critically reflective D&I approaches—beyond mainstream ‘good’ practice. Combining deep expertise with systemic thinking, he designs diversity strategies that are differentiated, holistic and therefore effective.
Nene Molefi is a globally recognized consultant, keynote speaker, coach and author with over 25 years of experience shaping leadership, organizational transformation, and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) across industries. Born and raised in Soweto, Johannesburg, she has built an esteemed career advocating for values-driven leadership, high-performing teams, and systemic change in organizations worldwide.
As the Founder and CEO of Mandate Molefi HR Consultants, Nene has advised multinational corporations, governments, and nonprofit organizations. Her expertise spans Whole System Culture Change, Executive Leadership Development, DEI Strategy and High-Stakes Facilitation—guiding courageous, results-driven conversations that tackle complex organizational and societal challenges. She has led and steered intricate, long-term cultural transformation and leadership initiatives, working with multi-disciplinary and specialist teams.
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