Discourse in Magic
Jonah Babins interviews the world’s top magicians getting the best advice in performance, business, and all things magic. Topics like practice, scripting, learning, morality, creativity, getting started, adding comedy, originality, and getting booked. All to provide you with the advice and resources you need to become a better magician, get yourself out there, and enjoy this amazing art we’re a part of...all without buying any more tricks.
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Public Magic Shows
07/18/2024
Public Magic Shows
Unlock the secrets to producing successful public ticketed magic shows with me, Jonah Babins. This episode pulls back the curtain on the often unseen challenges and rewards of organizing these captivating events. From the intensive workload involved in venue selection, marketing, and ticket sales to the financial realities that can make or break your efforts, you'll gain a thorough understanding of what it truly takes to bring your magic to the public eye. We share the three primary hurdles that can make producing magic shows a daunting task, alongside three compelling reasons why the challenge might be worth your while. This isn't about persuading you to take one path or the other—it's about giving you the honest, unvarnished truth so you can make an informed decision. Whether you're an aspiring magician or a seasoned pro, don’t miss this candid exploration of the highs and lows of producing public magic shows. Reasons for not doing public magic shows 1. They are a lot of work! 2. They are not the profitable. 3. It is rarely a booking audience Reasons for doing public magic shows 1. They are really fun! 2. They are a great environment to try new material 3. They are something to offer for free to past clients and your peers Links
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Jandro's Magical Evolution
07/11/2024
Jandro's Magical Evolution
Discover the remarkable journey of Spanish magician in this captivating episode of Discourse in Magic. Inspired by the legendary , Jandro recounts his serendipitous discovery of a local magician's academy in Valencia and his evolution into a renowned magician and TV personality. With anecdotes from his 15-year tenure on a Spanish late-night show, where he performed magic and wrote comedy for celebrities like Will Smith and Taylor Swift, this episode offers an enthralling peek behind the curtain into the world of magic and entertainment. Creativity and Technique in MagicWe explore the importance of joke writing and daily practice in honing one's craft, whether it's magic or comedy. Jandro shares experiences from working on a magic TV show, emphasising the need for creativity when resources are limited. He recounts how rigorous practice with card techniques gave way to innovative, intuitive performance styles when working on live TV. We also discuss the concept of using jokes and situational techniques as alternatives to traditional magic methods, highlighting the blend of technical skill and creative thinking in successful magic performances. Fooling Penn and TellerJandro shares an amusing anecdote about wanting to perform a "car trick" on , playing on language misunderstandings and breaking assumptions. We explore how the use of unexpected elements, such as shooting in a remote landscape with a printed background and utilising a drone instead of a webcam, enhances the performance. Additionally, the concept of integrating deeper messages into tricks is discussed, exemplified by a routine involving the consequences of lying, where each falsehood results in a cat's "explosion." The chapter concludes with insights into the strategies used to consistently fool seasoned magicians like Penn and Teller by always thinking ahead and presenting tricks designed specifically for one-time performances on the show. Magical Masters and Creative InfluencesWe discuss the joy and growth that comes from collaborating with iconic figures like Penn and Teller, and how their innovative ideas elevate each other's work. The conversation highlights the profound impact of Spanish magicians like Juan Tamariz and his mentors, including and , on the art of magic. We emphasise the importance of understanding the deep psychological and philosophical aspects behind magical performances, as well as the legacy left by these masters. The discussion also touches on the evolution of magic through the contributions of newer magicians who continue to build on the foundations laid by their predecessors, stressing the necessity of studying the masters to truly appreciate and advance the craft. Endless Chain Links
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My Top 3 Magic Projects
07/04/2024
My Top 3 Magic Projects
Unlock the secrets to making your magic performances more natural and convincing. Join Jonah Babins as he reveals his three favorite magic projects that have profoundly influenced his approach to magic and performance. From magic theory to practical techniques, these projects have reshaped his understanding and execution of the craft. Whether you're a seasoned magician or just starting out, this episode is packed with practical tips and theoretical gems that will inspire you to rethink and refine your magical chops! Dani DaOrtiz’s Utopia We start with ’s groundbreaking . Learn the transformative lessons contained in this four-DVD collection, produced by . Dani’s emphasis on clarity and naturalness has reshaped his approach to close-up card magic, and why replacing suspicious maneuvers with straightforward actions can make your tricks more believable. Discover how these priceless insights have not only enhanced Jonah's performances but can also revolutionize your own magic acts. Whether you're a seasoned magician or just starting out, these DVD’s are packed with practical tips and theoretical gems that will inspire you to rethink and refine your magical craft. Asi Win’s Repertoire presents an extensive collection of repertoire that stretches over the last two decades. Asi's style of performance has led him to devise magic that seems as fair as it gets and magic almost happens by itself. These routines that have been kept under wraps for many years are laid out here for the first time in great detail. Asi also revisits several routines he published in the past and brings them up to date with added details and features that he developed over the years while performing them. Magic Rainbow by Juan Tamariz is the fruit of more than forty years of thought, study and analysis by , considered a genius of magic the world over. In 1988, Tamariz published The Magic Way, which became an immediate classic. In it he revealed a brilliant system for making the secret methods of magic effects impossible to detect. In The Magic Rainbow, Tamariz takes his readers and their audiences farther up The Magic Way until they are delivered to the ultimate destination, where logical analysis is abandoned to emotions of amazement, fascination and wonder; where the feeling of magic becomes, for a while, an impossibility firmly rooted in reality. MentionsDani DaOrtiz’s Asi Win’s by Juan Tamariz
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Reimagining Magic with Gaetan Bloom
06/27/2024
Reimagining Magic with Gaetan Bloom
Legendary magician joins us to share his journey from a curious child to becoming an iconic figure in the world of magic. Throughout our conversation, Gaetan opens up about the pivotal mentors who shaped his path and how these relationships inspired his most famous tricks. He discusses his innovative approach to magic, which involves transforming everyday objects through curiosity and problem-solving. Whether you're an aspiring magician or simply enchanted by the art of illusion, Gaetan's insights are sure to captivate and inspire. Magical Beginnings and Creative Insights Explore the fascinating journey of Gaetan Bloom, an incredible magician and creator. We discuss how he got started in magic, inspired by a magician he saw at a hotel show as a child. Gaetan shares his early experiences, including his first magic kit and his discovery of the legendary Mayette magic shop in Paris. He recounts his unwavering passion for magic despite his parents' conventional careers and the influence of a well-known lawyer whose passion for magic helped Gaetan's parents support his magical aspirations. Influential Mentors and Creative Insight We discuss how Gaetan proactively became known in magic clubs as a teenager and formed significant relationships with influential figures like and . These mentors played crucial roles in advancing his career. Notable highlights include his interactions with prominent magicians and the development of his famous standing card trick. We also touch on the impactful guidance from mentors such as , , and , each contributing uniquely to his growth and success in the world of magic. The Magic of Object Presentation We learn about the fascinating interplay between magic and objects, with a focus on the creativity involved in incorporating unusual props like boxing gloves. We discuss the inspiration behind using such unconventional items, tracing back to a comedic performance by the French entertainer , who played the violin with boxing gloves. We consider the approach to scripting and rehearsing, emphasizing the organic development of dialogue and presentation in magic routines. Simplicity in Magical Inventions We explore the balance between originality and tradition in magic. I share my passion for fooling magicians by reinventing standard effects with new methods, emphasizing the importance of personal creativity over instant solutions available online. We touch upon the early inspiration from the , where Gaetan challenged himself to develop unique methods for existing tricks. Endless Chain Mentions Links
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The Math of $100k
06/20/2024
The Math of $100k
What if charging $250 per show is the very thing holding you back from building a $100,000 magic business? This episode of Discourse in Magic, hosted by Jonah Babins, dives into the powerful strategy of reverse engineering your way to a six-figure income in the magic industry. Do the math! Drawing from his unique background in pure math and his experience running a successful magic mastermind, Jonah breaks down the essential numbers and strategies you need to elevate your magic career. Whether you're curious about the ideal number of bookings or questioning the feasibility of your current rates, this episode is packed with actionable insights that will transform your business approach. Learn from the best Join Jonah as he shares enlightening conversations with fellow magicians during strategy sessions and mastermind meetings. Discover why sticking to rates like $250 or $400 per show could be the very obstacle in your path to financial success. From understanding your market positioning to identifying the right niche, Jonah provides practical math and strategic advice to help you hit — and surpass — the $100k mark. If you're serious about refining your business strategy and making your magic career flourish, this episode is a must-listen! Mentions https://discourseinmagic.com/mastermind-invitation/
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Jeki Yoo: The Art of Pop-Up Magic
06/13/2024
Jeki Yoo: The Art of Pop-Up Magic
Jeki Yoo joins host Jonah Babins to discuss his magic journey, experiences in competitions, and his unique approach to crafting magic for television and social media. They explore the magic scene in South Korea and delve into Jeki's process of creating engaging pop-up magic videos, which can take weeks to perfect. Jeki shares his organizational methods, his passion for magic, and how he monetizes his craft through events and product sales. The conversation also touches on the broader magic community, the effects of accessibility, Behind the Scenes of Creativity Jeki's dedication to his craft is truly admirable. We talked about his process for brainstorming and tracking ideas, and how he uses tools like Notion to keep his magical concepts organized. It's a peek into the mind of a magician who's always pushing the boundaries. The Business of Magic Let's not forget, magic is not just about the applause; it's also a livelihood. Jeki opened up about how he balances his passion with the practical aspects of running a magic business, from performing at events to selling his own magic products. "Oh My" - More Than Just a Catchphrase We even touched on the origin of Jackie's iconic catchphrase "oh my" and his thoughts on the current state of the magic world. It's a mix of excitement for the accessibility of magic today and a call for preserving the discipline and mystery that makes magic so special. Endless Chain Matt Pitchford Mentions Links
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The Ten Hour Rule
06/06/2024
The Ten Hour Rule
In this episode of the "Discourse in Magic" podcast, host Jonah Babins discusses the ten-hour rule for running a magic business. He advises magicians to limit administrative work to ten hours a week to focus on performance and creativity. Three ways to stop wasting time: Ineffective tasks should be stopped Effective tasks should be optimized or scaled with technology. Successful tasks may require hiring help. Assess your business activities and optimize or delegate tasks. Discourse in Magic Mastermind Send a message to with the word SCALE and Jonah will send you the deets and see if it’s a fit to work together!
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Redefining Magic with Franz Harary
05/30/2024
Redefining Magic with Franz Harary
In this episode of “Discourse in Magic,” host Jonah Babins interviews , a renowned magician and illusion designer. Franz shares his magical journey, starting with a childhood magic set that sparked his interest in fooling adults and led to his passion for creating original illusions. A journey into magic and illusion design Franz recounts his early experiments with cardboard and duct tape, his inspiration from Doug Henning, and his innovative approach to making a car appear, which he later sold to famous magicians. He recalls a pivotal moment when, at 16, he ingeniously used perspective to make a car appear out of thin air—a method he later sold to renowned magicians like David Copperfield and Criss Angel. Working with Michael Jackson and other artists Franz also discusses his time working with Michael Jackson on the Victory Tour and his subsequent career as an illusion designer for various pop stars and Broadway shows. This leap of faith catapulted him into the limelight, and he quickly became known as the young kid who designs illusions for the stars. Understanding one’s identity as an artist Franz emphasizes the importance of understanding who you are as a magician, the message you convey, and the need to push the boundaries of magic alongside technological advancements. For Franz, his message has been about equality and empowerment, showing audiences that they too can achieve the seemingly impossible. Pushing the art form forward Franz encourages magicians to take risks, be unique, and continually innovate. He shares a piece of advice from Michael Jackson that has become his mantra: “Whatever you do, do it differently and better than anybody else.” This is what transforms a craftsman into an artist. ——- Franz’s only ask is that you follow him on his Facebook page – here it is: Endless Chain Mentions
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Seven updates for Discourse in Magic
05/23/2024
Seven updates for Discourse in Magic
In this episode of "Discourse in Magic," host Jonah Babins shares the exciting news about the podcast's return. Listeners can look forward to fresh interviews and episodes covering a wide range of topics within the magic community. Jonah's "Fool Us" Jonah discusses his recent experiences, including his appearances on the television show "Fool Us." He also encourages fellow magicians to seize the opportunity and apply to be on the show. Free Training Resource for Magicians A new free training resource is introduced by Jonah, designed to help magicians increase their business success. This tool is aimed at magicians looking to elevate their professional endeavors. How to get more Reviews, Referrals, and Rebookings: Growth of a Secret Magic Convention Jonah recounts the expansion of a secret magic convention, sharing insights into its development and what it offers to the magic community. Consulting Work with Asi Wind The episode delves into Jonah's consulting work with Asi Wind, providing a glimpse into his role and contributions to the magic scene. Lectures and Performances Jonah talks about his extensive travels for lectures and performances. He shares his experiences and the knowledge he has gained from engaging with magicians around the world. Mastermind Group Invitation If you're already at 25k per month or more in your magic business and want to scale to 6 figures and far beyond I might be able to help. Send me a message to [email protected] with the word MASTERMIND and I can walk you through what it looks like to work together and see if I can help! THANKS for returning back, it's been a pleasure to be back in your earlobes. Looking forward to more fun together.
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Three Things I Learned During My Second Appearance On Fool Us
11/09/2023
Three Things I Learned During My Second Appearance On Fool Us
Jonah returns from the wild to let you know that tomorrow, November 9 2023, he and Ben Train will be appearing for the second time on Penn & Teller’s Fool Us! In this special magic appetizer, Jonah offers up the three biggest lessons he learned on his second appearance of Fool Us and why you should apply to appear on this show or any other. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Without Props with Juan Esteban Varela
07/13/2023
Magic Without Props with Juan Esteban Varela
Jonah is joined by Juan Esteban Varela, a master at performing without props. Juan is the mind behind Magic in the Dark and in this conversation he talks all about it, about magic without props, and shares his personal story through magic and how wonderful it is. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Appetizer: A Case For Counting Tricks
07/06/2023
Magic Appetizer: A Case For Counting Tricks
In this magical appetizer, Jonah makes a case for counting tricks. Love them or hate them Jonah is convinced that they should be a staple trick in your roster and lays out his reasons why. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Social Media Magic with Dustin Dean
06/29/2023
Social Media Magic with Dustin Dean
Jonah is joined by Dustin Dean, an incredible mentalist who you may have seen on your TikTok feed. He has over half a million followers and countless videos with millions of views. In this conversation we’ll learn all about his success, how you can get into growing your social media presence, and how to thread the line between fooling your audience and being honest with them. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Appetizer: 3 Ways To Make 3K
06/22/2023
Magic Appetizer: 3 Ways To Make 3K
In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three ways that you can grow your business to making more than 3k a month in the next six months. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Appetizer: Three Notes on Creativity
06/15/2023
Magic Appetizer: Three Notes on Creativity
In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three tips for creativity, things to consider when you're creating magic, creating routines, and putting stuff out into the world. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic, Mindfulness, and Marketing with David Gerard
06/08/2023
Magic, Mindfulness, and Marketing with David Gerard
Jonah is joined by David Gerard, a magician who started later in life after a career working in silicon valley marketing for startups. David’s unique background and experiences blends perfectly with Jonah’s interests and curiosity in this conversation that covers everything from how to face the harsh reality of criticism and examining what it feels like to be fooled, to discussions on marketing yourself for corporate events, retaining your clients, and how to grow your magic business. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Appetizer: How to Sell Out Your Show
06/01/2023
Magic Appetizer: How to Sell Out Your Show
Today Jonah offers up four essential ways that you can sell out your next magic show. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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The World Champion of Magic with Markobi
05/25/2023
The World Champion of Magic with Markobi
Jonah is joined by FISM winner Markobi where they talk all about what it takes to win a competition, what it’s like to work with a team, and what it’s like to work alone. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Mastermind Invitation
05/18/2023
Mastermind Invitation
Jonah invites you to join in on his mastermind course where you can scale up your magic business. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Building Magical Relationships with Jason Suran
05/11/2023
Building Magical Relationships with Jason Suran
Jonah is joined by Jason Suran who shares his advice on how to build lasting relationships to support your magic business. Jason is a mentalist based in New York and has done a ton of work on TV and company gigs and has even performed for four NBA teams. He gives us tips on how to grow a loyal group of clients and shares stories on what has gone great and what has gone wrong and takes us behind the scenes on what it’s like to perform for Speakeasy Magic. For more content visit John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Appetizer: Dean Jackson's 9 Word Email
05/04/2023
Magic Appetizer: Dean Jackson's 9 Word Email
Jonah offers up the world's shortest but most effective business tip towards booking a client. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Cheat, Sleights, and the Magic Circle with Laura London
04/27/2023
Cheat, Sleights, and the Magic Circle with Laura London
Laura London is a legend in the magic community. She’s been on Penn & Teller’s Fool Us and The Next Great Magician. She’s had her own show, Cheat, in the Edinburgh Fringe. She’s an Inner Magic Circle member of the Magic Circle and she shares her incredible story and upbringing into the way of magic and how you can build a show too. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Appetizer: Three Ways To Use AI In Your Magic Business
04/20/2023
Magic Appetizer: Three Ways To Use AI In Your Magic Business
Jonah dives into artificial intelligence and how it can potentially help you out with your magic business. In this magician’s appetizer he’ll touch on three ways to use AI in your magic business including how to fix your replies to clients, help drive more traffic to your website, and how maximize the effectiveness of your cold emails. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Creating Magic With Content with Todd Robbins
04/13/2023
Creating Magic With Content with Todd Robbins
This week Jonah is joined by sideshow and magic legend Todd Robbins. Todd has had an action packed career that has sent him around the to creating to running what may be the greatest magic show that has ever existed, . In this conversation Todd shares with Jonah how he ended up learning sideshow as a kid to eventually befriending Penn & Teller. He offers up the lessons he’s learned when creating shows for theatre and helps explain the difference between entertainment and art. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Unlocking Your Magic Creativity with Kim Andersen
04/06/2023
Unlocking Your Magic Creativity with Kim Andersen
Jonah connects with Kim Andersen, a comedy magician from Denmark who has created some unforgettable magic products. In this conversation he'll share with Jonah how he found himself immersed in the Danish magic scene, how he found himself creating content for his own television show, how he goes about challenging himself to keep creating, and why he always carries coins into the shower. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Never Before Seen Magic with Tobias Dostal
03/30/2023
Never Before Seen Magic with Tobias Dostal
This week Jonah connects with magic inventor and creative genius Tobias Dostal. Tobias is creating stuff that is not unlike anything you have ever seen before with tricks like Silhouette, Ping, and Stay Cool. In this conversation Tobias shares with Jonah his background in visual arts, his love of photography, and how he was able to use his unique background and interests to carve a new path for magic for everyone. You’ll learn about how to create, how to get inspiration, and what to do with a studio, with deadlines, and limitations. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic Appetizer: Touring, Conventions, and Growing Your Business
03/23/2023
Magic Appetizer: Touring, Conventions, and Growing Your Business
Jonah is back with all new episodes of Discourse in Magic. After taking time off after the busy holiday season, Jonah has been busy touring and attending events around the country and beyond. In this episode he'll catch you up on his lecture and performance tours as well as filling you in on his experiences attending Magifest and Blackpool. Jonah will also offer up tips on how to launch your own performance tour and what you can do to help grow your magic business during the slowest time of the year. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Magic for the Crowd with Siegfried & Joy
11/17/2022
Magic for the Crowd with Siegfried & Joy
Jonah is joined by Siegfried & Joy. This duo from Germany has been taking the world by storm with their silly and engaging TikTok videos, an hilarious performance on America’s Got Talent, and sold out shows wherever they go. They'll reveal to Jonah all of their secrets, except where they get their fabulous outfits! For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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How We Got On Fool Us
11/10/2022
How We Got On Fool Us
Jonah and Ben answer all your questions about how they got their appearance on Penn and Teller’s Fool Us, and how you can get yours too. For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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Fool Us, Starring Jonah Babins and Ben Train!
11/03/2022
Fool Us, Starring Jonah Babins and Ben Train!
This week Jonah wants you to do one thing, which is to watch him and Ben Train perform on Pen & Teller's Fool Us which airs for the first time on Friday November 4th, 2022! For more content visit www.discourseinmagic.com John the discourse and be a part of our Facebook group!
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