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How Simple Words Can Influence Effective Persuasion

Imperfect Mens Club

Release Date: 11/01/2024

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Imperfect Mens Club

Mark introduces the topic by reading the definition and symptoms As much as the guys believe it to be real, it’s also funny Jim asks Mark what “Psychic pathology” means and he takes a shot Jim shares his opinion about friends and family that seem to struggle with this Jim talks about his mom. She exhibits physical manifestations Mark thinks this physical reaction indicates a pretty severe condition Jim calls it impulsive Mark calls Trump insensitive and crass. He’s a fighter and not a politician Mark talks about one friend who is very smart, but can’t remain objective when Trump’s...

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Mark introduces the topic and frames it in the context of his recent experience with having a plumber show up at his home to do some work He shares how gratitude plays a part in the discussion. He expresses a concern that the topic is so rich that staying on topic might be tough Jim reflects on the story Mark has already told him Jim expands on the “Showing up” concept Jim shares his perspective having been a tradesman and having gone into many homes and being treated poorly, more often than not. He applauds Marks treatment of the plumber Jim expands on the notion of appreciation and gives...

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Mark introduces the topic of disingenuous people. Both guys have had recent experiences with people who were being disingenuous. Mark asks whether he thinks people are born this way or do become this way based on environment or circumstance. Jim says he’s been using that word more often lately Mark reads the legal definition of the word Jim shares his definition. He clarifies the nuance of this activity being intentional Mark says there are different levels of it, but that some people are just stupid Jim shares his recent encounter with a disingenuous neighbor Deception from the get go. Jim...

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Mark brings up the topic of communication in the context of self talk and self reflection Then he shares a framework Jim brought that he uses for communication. The triple A method Assumptions/Agreement/Action Mark is a fan Jim brings up a favorite quote of his - “The most important conversation you’ll ever have is the conversation you have with yourself”…and that’s a crazy person Mark shares his self talk routine Jim - simply…you have to turn the channel He shares how his mind works. He finds or creates tools to help him. That’s where this AAA framework came from. He uses it to...

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Mark introduces the guys and topic. He cites how aligned both guys are. As they enter the call they’re thinking of the same topics and thoughts Neurodivergence (See definition at the bottom of the show notes) Mark shares a call about his grandson and his current struggles which may well involve him being on the spectrum Jim shared his perspective about labels and crutches and his own story about being neurodivergent himself growing up Jim’s perspective is to reframe this label as an opportunity to think of things differently Neither guy likes meds, but do agree that in some cases they can...

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Mark introduces the topic of male and female relationships. Jim had brought up the recent Bill Belichick  interview with his new 24 year old girlfriend Jim covers our framework and the wheel of life. Relationships is one of the five and women is a subset of that Jim likes looking at life in increments of 10 years. Now we’re both in our 60’s and things have changed Jim brings up the Belichick interview in the context of self awareness and how he was not self aware at all Both guys lost respect for him Mark goes back to his relationship with his girlfriend and brings up how recently he...

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Mark introduces the topic of confidence.  Self-confidence The topic originated with Jim’s interest in elitism - entitlement - self-accountability - confidence In order to be self accountable, one must be confident Jim ties in the current news events and his recent book as he frames his view of confidence. Particularly sports and business He distinguishes between confidence and the competence required to be confident Jim brings up academia. See civically Harvard…and entitlements/elitism He shares the academic idea that perfection is attainable. We both support the reality of...

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Mark shares the value of the “pregame” the guys use to prepare for the podcast He introduces the topic of frameworks How they can be good or harmful Jim shares how frameworks evolve and how ours did. Our tagline “The Imperfection Is The Perfection” Jim used this with his kids when they got frustrated with him He thinks imperfections and failures make us who we are Jim shares how when we started the podcast, we were thinking of “Civill Discourse” as a theme. Then we came upon our Wheel Of Life Jim takes us around the wheel and digs into all 5 areas of life and then some deeper...

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Mark introduces the topics of solitude and one’s persona Jim jumps in to help contextualize this discussion Mark reads the definitions of  “Persona” and “Solitude” Mark asks Jim about his trip Jim separates being alone for a few minutes from the very different version of a 7 day solo trip Jim has chosen solo trips in the last few years He reflects on how his roles and personas have changed as he’s aged He talks about not caring what others think and how freeing that is Mark reflects on the solitude that can from his divorce. He didn’t choose that but did choose how to...

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Mark introduces the topic of communication and within that general topic, the subtopic of persuasion. He then emphasizes the value of having a framework. He puts our framework in perspective

Jim chimes in about the idea of having a framework and emphasizes the IMC framework

Jim shares his 5 W’s framework and how helpful it has been for him in a variety of projects. How it adds perspective for both parties

He shares the value of effective people being clear

Jim asks Mark about his framework

Mark shares his childhood influences around communication and then his framework

What do you say?

How do you say it?

To whom do you say it?

When do you say it?

Both guys agree they made their frameworks theirs…no matter where it came from

Mark brings up the image Jim shared and begins to share the examples of lazy responses versus helpful responses

The guys dig into examples of how powerful specific words are and how changing a word can change the tone of the whole conversation

Problem versus “opportunity” or “challenge”

All the specific examples from Jim’s image become the conversations

Each example uncovers how simple shifts, different words change the whole tone and emotion of the conversation

Both guys share their experience with each example and how they have both made the mistake of using the lazy language and relearned the helpful response

They both emphasize the importance of not apologizing. Never apologize unless you’ve done real wrong

Mark shares - don’t say, “to be honest with you”. “Frank” or Jim’s option “transparent”

They discuss transparency as a double edged sword

“I’m too busy” means I’m too busy for you

They both have a laugh about “too busy”

“That’s not my” job versus, “let me get you to the right person”

Mark shares his mentor’s story about personal accountability

“I’ll try” versus “I’ll take care of it”. Jim has a different angle on this one

Mark frames it as personal accountability. I won’t dismiss you, we’ll get it taken care of

Apologizing comes up again and both guys reiterate the problem with saying you’re sorry

Jim uses “I own that one”. “That one’s on me”. Take ownership

Mark - “sorry never works for me unless you really fucked something up”

Mark shares some media examples of how apologies become bigger problems

Jim says behaviors are more important than words - Mark agrees

The next example is disagreement - “You’re wrong” versus “I have a different perspective on this than you and I’d like to share it with you”

Jim cites people who actually enjoy conflict to garner attention

“This might sound stupid but…” versus  “Let’s try this.” Naysayers are everywhere

Jim agrees as an inventor he always shares new ideas…the value of reframing ideas until consensus is established

Mark brings up Jordan Peterson talking about Elon Musk and comparison (Elon’s roommate story)

Jim - All comparison leads to misery

Jim shares “I have an hypothesis” versus a theory. An hypothesis is designed to be challenged…designed to be criticized

He shares the difference between an hypothesis and a theory

A theory has been proven. An hypothesis has not yet been proven

“No worries”… “I’m happy to help”

Both guys discuss the nuance of this one

Mark feels like “no worries” is kind of a throw away

They conclude that this whole exercise is an exercise in self awareness

The final example is recommending something to someone

‘I think maybe we should” versus “I recommend we do this…”

Jim says “I think” makes him feel like “Why should I listen to you”

Mark finishes with his 4 pronged framework

He confirms that listening and asking questions before speaking is almost always the best strategy

Jim finishes with the value of clarifying assumptions, discussing desired outcomes, “who, not how” and what are the necessary resources?

Mark shares his support of this as authentic…for both parties