Episode 20 | Deconstructing Phrases and Idioms
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the complexities of race, privilege, and the language we use to discuss these topics. They delve into the implications of comfort and consent in conversations about race, the military's perspective on colorblindness, and the concept of privilege through the lens of games like Monopoly. The discussion also touches on neurodiversity, particularly hyperlexia, and the importance of community in social change. They emphasize the need for liberation through language, the role of women in activism, and the dynamics of secrecy and control in cult-like...
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Episode 19 | Wicked takes on Wicked
Hey White Women
In this conversation, the speakers explore the themes of race, identity, and representation through the lens of the musical Wicked. They discuss the implications of casting choices, the critique of whiteness, and the importance of diverse narratives in art and media. The conversation emphasizes the need for allyship and understanding different perspectives, particularly in the context of black womanhood and the complexities of marginalization. Ultimately, they advocate for the power of art to challenge norms and foster connection across different identities. Connect with Rebecca at: ...
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Episode 18 | Black Privilege?
Hey White Women
In this conversation, the speakers explore the complexities of privilege, race, and social justice. They discuss how children perceive privilege, the importance of redefining terms like 'white privilege', and the role of community in addressing racism. The conversation also touches on the intersection of feminism and race, the challenges of critiquing public figures, and the need for nuanced discussions about identity and accountability. Ultimately, the speakers emphasize the importance of listening, learning, and taking action in the fight for social justice. Connect with Rebecca at: ...
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Episode 17 | Weaponized Literacy
Hey White Women
This conversation explores the evolution of reading from a joyful activity to an obligation, the impact of recommended reading lists, and the cultural narratives that shape our understanding of literature. It delves into the role of education in shaping perspectives, the struggle for authenticity in reading, and the arbitrary nature of degrees and success. The speakers emphasize the importance of self-reflection, the complexities of human relationships, and the journey of deconstruction and awareness in navigating conversations around race and identity. In this conversation, Daniella and...
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Episode 16 | What do we do now?
Hey White Women
In this episode of 'Hey White Women', the first recorded after the 2024 election, hosts Daniella and Rebecca engage in a deep conversation about the role of white women in dismantling white supremacy. They discuss the importance of acknowledging discomfort, the need for collective action, and the power of community in creating change. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of listening to marginalized voices, the journey of healing, and the complexities involved in challenging ingrained societal norms. Through personal anecdotes and reflections, they encourage listeners to take action and...
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Episode 15 | Human Rights vs Pet Rocks
Hey White Women
This unplanned conversation delves into the complexities of anti-racism, personal growth, and the impact of societal norms on individual experiences. The speakers discuss the importance of language, the challenges of navigating discomfort, and the role of community in healing. They also explore the intersection of mental health and racism, emphasizing the need for systemic change and the journey of self-discovery. In this conversation, Haley and Rebecca delve into the complexities of identity, focusing on the intersections of race, gender, and disability. They discuss the unique experiences of...
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Episode 14 | Discomfort Isn’t Danger: Rehumanizing Conflict
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the complexities of human nature, the oversimplification of good and evil narratives, and the importance of rehumanization in social discourse. They discuss the role of white women in social justice, the impact of capitalism on group dynamics, and the necessity of discomfort for personal growth. The conversation emphasizes the power of personal narratives, critical thinking, and storytelling in fostering empathy and understanding, while also addressing the limitations of white feminism and the need for preventative measures in societal issues....
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Episode 13 | There Are No Easy Answers
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the intersections of entertainment, identity, and societal structures. They discuss the role of whiteness in shaping experiences, the burdens of perfectionism and productivity, and the implications of the cult of entrepreneurship. The conversation delves into the dynamics of social media, the weaponization of secrets, and the importance of community versus group dynamics. They also reflect on the impact of capitalism on human value, the complexities of international relations, and the need for transparency in systems. Ultimately, they...
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Episode 12 | Education and Total Institutions (Surprise producer appearance)
Hey White Women
In this suprise guest episode, the speakers explore the challenges of traditional education, particularly for neurodivergent individuals. They discuss the concept of total institutions and how societal norms can impact personal identity and acceptance. The dialogue shifts to the importance of navigating life beyond conventional paths, embracing change, and redefining expertise. The speakers also touch on the dangers of cult-like structures and apocalyptic thinking in society, emphasizing the need for personal narrative and the evolution of tools in human adaptation. In this conversation, the...
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Episode 11 | The Popular Girls Aren't Happy
Hey White Women
This conversation explores the complexities of ageism, objectivity, and bias, particularly in relation to race and gender. The speakers discuss the societal perceptions of age, the historical context of bias, and the reinterpretation of myths through feminist lenses. They delve into the impact of gender in combat and leadership roles, the illusion of popularity and happiness, and the flaws of objectivity in society. The discussion also touches on cognitive dissonance, indoctrination, and the intersection of whiteness and objectivity, emphasizing the dangers of extremism and the importance of...
info_outlineIn this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca discuss the representation of women and people of color in politics, particularly focusing on Kamala Harris. They explore the excitement and hope that Harris's candidacy brings, while also acknowledging the challenges and limitations that come with being a Black woman in a position of power. They emphasize the importance of not expecting one person to represent an entire demographic and the need to address anti-Blackness and white feminism. The conversation also touches on the concept of the glass cliff and the ongoing process of deconstructing white supremacy. In this part of the conversation, Rebecca and Daniella discuss the challenges faced by women and minorities in positions of power. They highlight the need for multiple individuals from a given minority demographic to have a voice and not be pitted against each other. They also discuss the importance of being an accomplice rather than just an ally in the fight against racism. They touch on the power dynamics between white women and black women, the role of white women in dismantling white supremacy, and the need for white men to educate themselves and call out their friends. They also discuss the concept of white women tears and the importance of believing and listening to black women's experiences. They emphasize the need to question and challenge the sense of urgency imposed by white supremacy and coercive control. In this final part of the conversation, Rebecca and Daniella discuss the importance of privacy and the ways in which lack of privacy can be used as a means of breaking people down. They also explore the concept of self-sealing systems and how society has given over its agency to the system itself. They discuss the potential impact of having a Black woman in a position of power, such as Kamala Harris as Vice President, and the need for white women to take responsibility for their own actions and challenge white supremacy. They emphasize the importance of believing people's experiences and not trying to relate or invalidate their perspectives. They also discuss the power of silence and active listening in conversations about race and gender.
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Takeaways
- The representation of women and people of color in politics is important and brings excitement and hope.
- It is crucial to recognize the challenges and limitations that come with being a Black woman in a position of power.
- Expecting one person to represent an entire demographic is unfair and unrealistic.
Addressing anti-Blackness and white feminism is essential in promoting true inclusivity and equality. - The concept of the glass cliff highlights the tendency to put women and minorities in leadership roles during difficult times.
- Deconstructing white supremacy is an ongoing process that requires self-reflection and education. Women and minorities in positions of power often face challenges and are pitted against each other.
- Being an accomplice, rather than just an ally, is important in the fight against racism.
White women have a role in dismantling white supremacy and should educate themselves and call out their friends. - Believing and listening to black women's experiences is crucial.
- Questioning and challenging the sense of urgency imposed by white supremacy is necessary. Lack of privacy can be used as a means of breaking people down and is often a demand in systems that seek to control and enforce power.
- Society has given over its agency to the system itself, resulting in a self-sealing system that perpetuates harmful ideologies and structures.
- Having a Black woman in a position of power, such as Kamala Harris as Vice President, can bring a different perspective and potentially lead to important conversations and changes.
- White women need to take responsibility for their own actions and challenge white supremacy, rather than relying on Black women to educate and inform them.
- Believing people's experiences, particularly when it comes to race and gender, is crucial for fostering understanding and empathy.
- Silence and active listening can create space for deeper connection and learning in conversations about race and gender.
Sound Bites
"Everybody feels like they're being represented now in this election."
"The excitement that it has brought has been incredible."
"We also know how we get treated and how we are spoken to."
"They are not against each other, they are pitted against each other."
"I'm so scared for her, right? Like she is going to, just in the election season alone, she is going to have so much misogynoir thrown at her that it is gonna be painful."
"Stop saying you're an ally. It's not about being an ally. It's about being an accomplice."
"No! That is the widest thing I have ever - Ugh! A creepy hunk to check your underwear!"
"It's so creepy, it's so creepy. That's also how purity culture goes into, you know, pedophilia and sexual harassment."
"Demanding immediate answers, constantly surveilling people, or having purity requirements are means of breaking people down and do not have legitimate reasons."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Representation in the 2020 Election
03:52 The Glass Cliff: Challenges Faced by Women and Minorities in Leadership
08:51 Centering Anti-Blackness and the Role of White Women
13:43 The Significance of Having a Woman in the White House
20:56 From Allies to Accomplices: Dismantling White Supremacy
34:01 Understanding White Supremacy and Allyship
38:58 Challenging Societal Norms and Holding Yourself Accountable
46:40 The Impact of Surveillance and Purity Requirements
01:00:20 The Power of Transformational Leadership and Diverse Perspectives
01:07:12 The Potential Impact of a Woman in the White House
01:14:46 The Intersectionality of Gender and Race
01:19:03 The Importance of Listening and Slowing Down
01:26:40 Fair Compensation for Podcast Production
01:27:20 The Importance of Representation in Various Industries