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Civil Discourse - Are You Red Team Or Blue Team?

Imperfect Mens Club

Release Date: 09/19/2024

Unconditional Service: Navigating the Complexities of Helping Others show art Unconditional Service: Navigating the Complexities of Helping Others

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Mark introduces the topic of serving others and connects it to the flywheel of life in the category of relationships/others. Jim brings up the wheel and discusses each of the 5 areas - Money, worldview, relationships, health and career/profession This episode is about others. Men and women He says there are two types of service and then shares his recent event KBIS in Las Vegas. He was selected as #1 membership chair in the country Two types of service are paid and unpaid He talks about the unpaid type - how different it is to serve for pay and to serve simply to serve “Unconditional”...

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How Are You Serving Others? What Does That Look Like? show art How Are You Serving Others? What Does That Look Like?

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Jim - the most important conversation you’ll ever have is with yourself…and that person is a crazy person Jim frames service in the context of bringing a product or service to the market to help people in some ways He frames this in the context of his most recent project that he asked Mark for help with - his talk about the kitchen and bath industry Jim asks. If it’s not just money, why do we seek to serve. What’s the bigger picture Both guys feel strongly that they have something to offer the world and the world has things to offer them Our experience leaves us with knowledge and...

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Mark introduces the topic and both guys have personal accounts of dealing with making themselves vulnerable Jim thinks that most of us don’t put ourselves out there Jim brings in our flywheel and the 5 areas of life and then uses his 5 W’s approach (Why, who, when, where and what) Mark reads the definition of self-vulnerability that Jim provides from his online searches about the topic Jim says acknowledging your strengths is easy, but sharing your weaknesses is much harder Jim shares his fear he experienced getting ready for a recent webinar presentation. He wonders why he put himself out...

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Today Jim and I welcome a special guest. Paul Carroll was my mentor in the start-up staffing space at the beginning of my career and he joins us today to talk about his latest work volunteering with young men in the foster care system We started recording before my introduction:). It sounded good so we decided to keep rolling. Sorry for any confusion Pauls shares his sense of urgency and the “signs” that showed up for him that got him interested in this work initially He shares how the work went from theoretical to practical Jim asks Paul if this is similar to the problem/solution approach...

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Have We Just Left A Have We Just Left A "Bygone Era"?

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Episode 3 Bygone Era Mark introduces the topic for this episode.  The notion of there being a bygone era. Jim suggested the topic given the current political landscape and the guys explore other applications of the notion in life Mark reads the Google definition Jim comes in and suggests that we have entered a new era. He brings of his 5 W framework and the concept of self awareness (Who,what,when,where and why) Jim cites The Biden administration and his cronies being part of this “bygone era” He claims everyone wants to remain relevant Mark recalls his start in recruiting and how...

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Where Our Belief Systems Come From show art Where Our Belief Systems Come From

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Mark introduces the episode about belief systems in the context of the fires in Southern California Remember…Jim is a California native still living in the Bay Area and Mark has lived in Florida since 1990 Two very different perspectives and responses to natural disasters! Jim says it’s personal because he has friends and family in the fire zone He brings in our tag line and framework. He says we’ll try and find some good in all of it. He cites our 5 areas with focus on worldview Jim share some of his preparation for the episode. He asks Mark to read the definition of “belief...

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The Post Election Paradigm Shift show art The Post Election Paradigm Shift

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Mark introduces Episode 1 of Season 4 with the topic of a paradigm shift. A shift in the way the country is moving with the election of Donald Trump and the push back against “woke” Jim introduces the wheel and worldview as a likely connection to the topic. He believes the shift is well on it’s way and we can see and hear evidence of it as more people open up post election Jim has some examples and topics he wants to discuss The first one is COVID What did covid change - communication Second is BLM/DEI. Neither were sustainable Third is The 2024 election 4th is Artificial Intelligence...

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AI...What The Hell Do We Know? show art AI...What The Hell Do We Know?

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We recorded this Dec 23, 2024. We decided to sneak one in during Christmas week and when we connected for the pre game, neither of us had any ideas about what might make a good topic Then we shared a couple of real "what just happened" stories and AI was a common theme. So we decided to share our genius I didn't edit or listen to this episode for the first time in 3 years. I think it'll be good Learn how to make fun of yourself and recognize how little you know Mark & Jim

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Planning For What's Next - What Would Jim Rohn Do? show art Planning For What's Next - What Would Jim Rohn Do?

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Hey all. We began with a New Years, year-end, goal setting theme within the context of some JIm Rohn quotes What we ended up with is an in depth reflection on Jim Rohn's wisdom and how much of it might be very helpful as we plan for what's next ---------------- Mark leads with year-end, new year and goal setting as topics. The context is the wisdom of Jim Rohn. Our Jim loves Rohn and brought some quotes as foundations for our episode Jim says it’s the past, present and future approach He reflects on being in sales and the goal setting and metrics of sales Jim shares his opinion of Jim Rohn...

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Know Thyself - The Magic Of Self Awareness show art Know Thyself - The Magic Of Self Awareness

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Mark introduces the topic of self awareness. He shares that their “pregame” discussion was very self reflective. He suggests that the time of year, as well as some other personal events from Jim’s life and Mark’s have the guys a bit mired in self reflection and self awareness Mark reads a couple of quotes Jim brought to the recording. One secular (Stoic) and one Biblical (Thomas) Jim shares some context for his quotes and shares his position on self awareness and what’s going on in his life Jim reflects on yesterday being the 5 year anniversary of his father’s death. He says to...

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Mark introduces the topic of civil discourse and reads the definition

He classifies it as a worldview topic and asks Jim to chime in

Jim tells the story about how he and Mark met and that the original topic of the podcast was going to be civil discourse

Jim takes us around the wheel and explains where our worldview comes from. Our childhood and our political views

Jim cites the current problem that we have in our country with being decided

He also suggests that some of the conspiracy theories out there might likely be true

Jim says we all are formed by what’s happening in our own back yard. Mark agrees

Jim references our wheel again and then asks Mark to share the story that originated the topic

Mark says in order to have civil discourse you need to be intentionally civil and kind

Both guys agree they are slightly misaligned with regard to optimism and pessimism

Jim doesn’t think “the other side” is willing to do this. They simply want to be critical

Mark asks a lot of questions and stays away from accusations

Mark tells his “yard sign” story

He responds to 3 Harris/Walz signs his neighbors dropped with his own sign response

Mark explains his positions and his take on the political argument landscape

Jim jumps back in with his take on our national elections. He likes using the phrases “red team and blue team”

He talks about the pandemic and the BLM riots influencing the 2020 election

Mark says the division is in pursuit of control. It was purposeful and it worked. He says the blue team is better at the game

Mark talks about the political terms that no longer mean anything

He cites the difference between knowing, feeling and thinking

Jim thinks we no longer vote “for” people, we vote “against” the other guy

Mark tries to take the person out of the discussion

Jim agrees, but doesn’t think people can.

Jim uses the word polarization and suggests that younger people don’t concern themselves with politics.  They’re focused on getting their lives in order. He then distinguishes different generations

Marks shares a bit about speaking with his daughters

He calls civil discourse “mental gymnastics”

Jim sees people changing the topic when they get frustrated

Mark agrees and suggests people should just admit when they don’t know

People who are not able to support their positions are’t willing to admit they don’t know

Mark talks about the importance of speaking up

Jim talks about the media. Mark says there is no objective news anymore

Jim brings up Johnny Carson and his objectivity because that’s what his dad watched before bed time

Carson laughed and made fun of both sides

Mark says Carson had a singularity of purpose…to make people laugh

The guys then bring up the current late night hosts and how biased they are

Mark mentions that one group that is bringing us back is the stand up comedians

They discuss Bill Maher, Seinfeld and Joe Rogan

Mark brings up Jordan Peterson as a great civil discourse practitioner

Mark bring in RFKJr and Tulsi Gabard

Jim brings up the women of The View and Mark talks about how people love to stir shit. Bad news sells

Mark makes a suggestion to the audience about being more intentional regarding being civil

He says we spend too much energy on winning and convincing

Jim recommends not using people’s names. He likes the blue red team approach. He also recommends not watching the news and just repeating talking points

Mark recommends to not react to new things immediately. Wait, pause. Allow for context to be discovered

Don’t make assumptions and get context

Jim says you often have to simply stop talking about it

Change takes place over time, not in one conversation