Episode 13 | There Are No Easy Answers
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the intersections of entertainment, identity, and societal structures. They discuss the role of whiteness in shaping experiences, the burdens of perfectionism and productivity, and the implications of the cult of entrepreneurship. The conversation delves into the dynamics of social media, the weaponization of secrets, and the importance of community versus group dynamics. They also reflect on the impact of capitalism on human value, the complexities of international relations, and the need for transparency in systems. Ultimately, they...
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Episode 12 | Education and Total Institutions (Surprise producer appearance)
Hey White Women
In this suprise guest episode, the speakers explore the challenges of traditional education, particularly for neurodivergent individuals. They discuss the concept of total institutions and how societal norms can impact personal identity and acceptance. The dialogue shifts to the importance of navigating life beyond conventional paths, embracing change, and redefining expertise. The speakers also touch on the dangers of cult-like structures and apocalyptic thinking in society, emphasizing the need for personal narrative and the evolution of tools in human adaptation. In this conversation, the...
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Episode 11 | The Popular Girls Aren't Happy
Hey White Women
This conversation explores the complexities of ageism, objectivity, and bias, particularly in relation to race and gender. The speakers discuss the societal perceptions of age, the historical context of bias, and the reinterpretation of myths through feminist lenses. They delve into the impact of gender in combat and leadership roles, the illusion of popularity and happiness, and the flaws of objectivity in society. The discussion also touches on cognitive dissonance, indoctrination, and the intersection of whiteness and objectivity, emphasizing the dangers of extremism and the importance of...
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Episode 10 | Sunk Cost Fallacy
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella explore the complexities of content creation, the importance of flexibility, and the challenges of navigating societal expectations. They discuss the value of redefining success, the impact of branding on perception, and the role of secrecy in both corporate and cult environments. The conversation also delves into the sunk cost fallacy, the dangers of objectivity in data interpretation, and the intersection of gender and power dynamics, ultimately highlighting how cults can appeal to individuals during times of social turmoil. In this conversation,...
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Episode 9 | Language of White Supremacy
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the intersections of cult dynamics, whiteness, and gender, discussing how personal experiences shape broader societal issues. They delve into the importance of language, the exit costs of leaving cults, and the power of storytelling. The discussion emphasizes the need for community support, the role of silence in conversations, and the challenges of navigating identity and intersectionality. They also reflect on the impact of personal narratives on societal change and the importance of inclusivity and representation in various spaces. Books: ...
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Episode 8 | White Supremacy in the Cult of Corporate America
Hey White Women
The conversation explores the themes of color, PowerPoint culture, repetitiveness of work, cult-like aspects of organizations, the need for individuality, the impact of white supremacy, and the power of democratized knowledge. In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella discuss the loaded language around the word 'racist' and the fragility and volatility that white people often exhibit when confronted with accusations of racism. They emphasize the importance of deconstructing belief systems and actively working to dismantle white supremacy. They also explore the concept of traumalages, the...
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Episode 7 | The Undergarments of Control
Hey White Women
The conversation explores the topic of underwear and its role in control and oppression. It delves into the societal expectations and policing of women's bodies, the arbitrary nature of professionalism, and the intersection of underwear with race and gender. The discussion also touches on the history of underwear, the influence of capitalism and consumerism, and the connection between underwear and abuse in cults. Overall, the conversation highlights the ways in which underwear is used as a tool for control and the need to challenge societal norms and expectations. The conversation...
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Episode 6 | Body Coverage
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella discuss the concept of body coverage as a form of appearance control in cults and white supremacy. They explore the loaded language and thought-stopping cliches used to enforce modesty and control women's bodies. They also touch on the intersection of race and body coverage, highlighting the policing of black women's bodies and the privileging of white beauty standards. The conversation delves into the influence of cult language and the importance of challenging and deconstructing these harmful ideologies. The conversation explores the limitations...
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Episode 5 | Kamala Harris and The Glass Cliff
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca discuss the representation of women and people of color in politics, particularly focusing on Kamala Harris. They explore the excitement and hope that Harris's candidacy brings, while also acknowledging the challenges and limitations that come with being a Black woman in a position of power. They emphasize the importance of not expecting one person to represent an entire demographic and the need to address anti-Blackness and white feminism. The conversation also touches on the concept of the glass cliff and the ongoing process of deconstructing white...
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Episode 4 | Body Size Control
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca discuss the concept of deconstruction and how it relates to body size and white supremacy. They share personal stories and insights about the control and manipulation of appearance in cults and society. They explore the impact of body size on self-worth and the harmful effects of societal beauty standards. The conversation highlights the need for self-reflection and the ongoing work required to challenge and dismantle these harmful ideologies. The conversation explores various aspects of control and coercion, particularly in relation to body size,...
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The conversation explores the topic of underwear and its role in control and oppression. It delves into the societal expectations and policing of women's bodies, the arbitrary nature of professionalism, and the intersection of underwear with race and gender. The discussion also touches on the history of underwear, the influence of capitalism and consumerism, and the connection between underwear and abuse in cults. Overall, the conversation highlights the ways in which underwear is used as a tool for control and the need to challenge societal norms and expectations. The conversation explores various topics related to identity, race, and gender. It touches on issues such as colorism, body image, breastfeeding in public, and the challenges faced by women in the military. The speakers discuss the infantilization and sexualization of women, the pressure to conform to societal expectations, and the importance of understanding and acknowledging one's own privilege. They also highlight the need for white women to listen and learn from marginalized communities, rather than trying to prove their goodness or uniqueness. In this final part of the conversation, Rebecca and Daniella discuss the insidious nature of white supremacy and the need for white people to trust Black people's awareness of racism. They also explore the importance of questioning societal norms and expectations, such as appearance control and underwear requirements. They emphasize the need for white people to deconstruct white supremacy and opt out of the game, leading to true freedom, joy, and friendship.
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Uncultured by Daniella Mestyanek Young
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Takeaways
- Underwear is often used as a tool for control and oppression, with societal expectations and policing of women's bodies.
- The concept of professionalism is arbitrary and can be used to marginalize and exclude certain individuals.
- The history of underwear reveals the influence of capitalism and consumerism, as well as the infantilization of sexuality in society.
Underwear can be connected to abuse in cults, where it is used as a means of control and surveillance. - Challenging societal norms and expectations around underwear is important for promoting body autonomy and dismantling oppressive systems. Colorism and body image issues are prevalent in society, leading to the infantilization and sexualization of women.
- Breastfeeding in public is still stigmatized, despite laws protecting a woman's right to do so.
- Women in the military face challenges related to uniform fit, gender expectations, and stereotypes.
- White women should listen and learn from marginalized communities, rather than trying to prove their goodness or uniqueness. White people need to trust Black people's awareness of racism and understand that they know more about racism than white people do.
- Questioning societal norms and expectations, such as appearance control and underwear requirements, is essential in deconstructing white supremacy.
- White people should opt out of the game of white supremacy and embrace true freedom, joy, and community.
- Deconstructing white supremacy takes time and ongoing work, and it is a continuous process of learning and unlearning.
- The goal is not to be obsessed as white people, but to challenge and dismantle white supremacy for a more equitable society.
Sound Bites
"The history of colonization is just white men going around the world and telling brown and black women to cover up their boobs."
"Professionalism is not a real thing, right? Like right now, I'm here with a straight, like remains of a blowout, Rebecca has natural hair. Your hair is not more professional than my hair."
"I know Victoria's Secret is like a dude made her up. But like how much have we all suffered because of that?"
"That's another part that makes it more racist and more infantilized."
"The death of these cults is the knowledge of them."
"Every state in America, you are allowed to breastfeed your child in public."
"You have to also trust black people's awareness of you more than your understanding of where you are and how they're perceived."
"The way that you go make black friends is doing the work to come out of the cult of white supremacy."
"We have been told for our entire culture that black men are the most likely to hurt us."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction: Moving Away from Bras and Pantyhose
06:39 The Control and Policing of Women's Bodies Through Underwear
10:29 The Discomfort and Privilege of Wearing Bras
13:33 Appearance Control and White Supremacy
17:38 The Arbitrary Nature of Professionalism
21:31 Underwear as a Tool of Control: Historical and Cultural Perspectives
25:31 Consumerism and Societal Expectations
30:40 Colorism, Body Image, and the Infantilization of Women
32:37 The Stigma of Breastfeeding in Public
36:41 The Need to Be Seen and Heard
39:39 The Dangers of Trying to Be the 'Special' White Person
44:28 Empathy, Inclusivity, and Recognizing Individual Experiences
01:00:30 Introduction and Latin Credentials
01:04:48 Conduct Standards and Appearance Control
01:06:49 Resistance and Opposition to the System
01:10:10 Identity vs. Anti-Identity
01:12:31 Underwear Control and Prescribing Behavior
01:16:44 The Game of Whiteness and Opting Out
01:19:49 Femininity and Masculinity
01:22:37 The Decade of Deconstruction
01:26:05 Questioning and Challenging Societal Norms
01:28:47 The Freedom of Breaking Free
Produced By: Haley Phillips